The objection is not that Obama is practicing freedom of religion, it's that government is supposed to be secular. Ideally, there should be no religious practices, atheist, christian, or otherwise by governing bodies whatsoever.

 

Haha. Whats this. no Spyhop AND mako are going against their own. I simply love religious threads, seriously

 

We aren't technically a group lol, we just share an ideal. kinda like pessimists.

 

its just funny that they try so hard to seperate these small, insignificant things from government. technically us agnostics shouldnt really care, as we believe there can or cant be a god. So by saying so help me god, 2 things could happen. god helps him be president or nothing happens except wasting 2 seconds of his life. end of story.

 

Mako, you finally make sense.

/me gives Mako 35 respect points

 

I've no problem with religious nuts, but religion and politics should remain seperated.

gods not gunna help you run the country, if you **** it up, its on your back.

 

There were quite a few news bits about atheists b****ing about Christmas last year in Washington DC. Some ads were posted on city busses and park benches. The man told reporters that he wanted to spread the word that other beliefs and ideas exist during this seemingly Christian-centric holiday.

I was amused because this guy was going on and on like a born-again Christian trying to force his views upon other people. I would think that atheists wouldn't care whether or not the typical person is religious or not. Atheism is a personal choice or lack of belief in a higher order.

Either way, I think the "outcry" from this atheist group is pointless. Who cares? Why are they really all butt-hurt over a 230+ year oath? All this whining makes them sound like all the religious nuts out there...

 

i finally make sense? i always make sense.

 

Seriously. Most Athiests are strait fanatics

i finally make sense? i always make sense.

To yourself, not the general populace. be glad for the respect points, son.

 

Atheism is a religion, the religion of believing in science. These pro-atheists that are on a rampage to abolish and criticize religion are no different than the typical Christian wackjobs...

Christians believe in god and Jesus, Atheists believe in Science, Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin.

Both sides argue unproven theories back and forth which hold no substantial ground or evidence, both sides argue that they are correct while the other is incorrect, both takes their beliefs as gospel

 

id rather listen to a rock then listen to someone who named there ship the Beagle

 

alright then, thanks phil lol.

Technically, theism is religion. atheism, implies 'without' belief in god. We dont really 'believe' in science per se, we 'know' it. It can be proven over and over again by laws. religion require faith wherein the person 'needs' to believe in god because there is no proof.

 

Absence of proof is not proof of absence

 

sure it is.

If i can't see, touch, taste, smell or hear it, it doesn't exist.

 

Atheism isn't a religion as it doesn't teach the most fundamental thing on how we are supposed to behave and treat others in the real world. It is also constantly willing to rewrite itself to find itself. Yes the churches do that to but they often times deny it. And they deny that their current philosophies and interpretations could be better.

Contrary historians have observed that its often those who are most machiavellian and self serving in life that achieve the most, and become powerful figures and have spread their seed the most, yet nobody in the scientific community tries to prescribe this view point. Just look at Vladimir Putin, Bill Gates, Genghis Khan. Look at the european settlers constantly warring with the indians and breaking every single treaty formed with them and dominating them. If they had not done this there decedents would not have spread across the continent. Where is the scientific community telling people to be utterly self serving cold and machivellian?

Yet science doesn't try to prescribe this as the way to behave, and if everyone behaved like this it would tear apart the social fabric that keeps society together.

 

sure it is.

If i can't see, touch, taste, smell or hear it, it doesn't exist.

Atoms? Dark matter? black holes?

Absence of proof is not proof of absence

True which is why i am agnostic show me proof, absolute proof, and i will become theistic.

 

Dark matter atoms and black holes can all be seen using instruments.

 

Someone through a shoe at Bush. What more proof do you need??

 

technically they cant be seen, only their effects. but i get what you mean.

 

somebody respond to my post

 

well Machiavellianism isnt about self-serving at heart, its about doing whats necessary for the good of all (mankind). it could also be described as altruism in a certain viewpoint. problem is no one really knows whats best, but GOD! lol.

sidenote: pcxl just wondering why you are linking me to gpu drivers, lol.

 

Machiavellianism is entirely about self service at heart...

...yes it could apply to others if they were part of your family or extended family, as this would ultimately be contributing to the ultimate purpose of life to propagate ones genetic information.

 

sure it is.

If i can't see, touch, taste, smell or hear it, it doesn't exist.

.....Candlejack

 

jack fell on that candle and burnt his ass on his own doing! i had nothing to do with it!

 

Well.. I'd say......... Let Obama say whatever he wants to say. End of story. What a storm in a glass of water.