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WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama wants to conclude his inaugural oath with the words "so help me God," but a group of atheists is asking a federal judge to stop him.

California atheist Michael Newdow sued Chief Justice John Roberts in federal court for an injunction barring the use of those words in the inaugural oath.

Newdow and other atheists and agnostics also want to stop the use of prayers during the inaugural celebration.

Newdow, who lost a Supreme Court battle to get the words "under God" taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance, has failed in similar challenges to the use of religious words and prayers at President George W. Bush's inaugurations.

Roberts' attorney Jeffrey P. Minear filed a document in Newdow's lawsuit saying that Obama wants the words "so help me God" included in his oath of office.

The Justice Department and attorneys general from all 50 states have filed motions at the federal court asking for the lawsuit to be thrown out.

The oath dictated by the Constitution is 35 words long and reads: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The National Archives says that George Washington added the words "so help me God" when he took the oath at his 1789 inaugural, and most presidents have used it since. However, some have argued that the first eyewitness account of a president using those words came at President Chester Arthur's inauguration in 1881.

Named in Newdow's lawsuit are Roberts; Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; and the two pastors invited to the event, the Rev. Rick Warren and the Rev. Joseph Lowery.

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton will hear arguments on Thursday.
Atheists want God stricken from inaugural oath - Yahoo! News

Oh boy. The one thing i dont like about religion is that one always trys to change the others. i could personally care less if he says that at his oath.
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Haha. Whats this. no Spyhop AND mako are going against their own. I simply love religious threads, seriously :D
 

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We aren't technically a group lol, we just share an ideal. kinda like pessimists.
 

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its just funny that they try so hard to seperate these small, insignificant things from government. technically us agnostics shouldnt really care, as we believe there can or cant be a god. So by saying so help me god, 2 things could happen. god helps him be president or nothing happens except wasting 2 seconds of his life. end of story. :p
 

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I've no problem with religious nuts, but religion and politics should remain seperated.

gods not gunna help you run the country, if you **** it up, its on your back.
 

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There were quite a few news bits about atheists b****ing about Christmas last year in Washington DC. Some ads were posted on city busses and park benches. The man told reporters that he wanted to spread the word that other beliefs and ideas exist during this seemingly Christian-centric holiday.

I was amused because this guy was going on and on like a born-again Christian trying to force his views upon other people. I would think that atheists wouldn't care whether or not the typical person is religious or not. Atheism is a personal choice or lack of belief in a higher order.

Either way, I think the "outcry" from this atheist group is pointless. Who cares? Why are they really all butt-hurt over a 230+ year oath? All this whining makes them sound like all the religious nuts out there...
 

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i finally make sense? i always make sense.
 

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Atheism is a religion, the religion of believing in science. These pro-atheists that are on a rampage to abolish and criticize religion are no different than the typical Christian wackjobs...

Christians believe in god and Jesus, Atheists believe in Science, Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin.

Both sides argue unproven theories back and forth which hold no substantial ground or evidence, both sides argue that they are correct while the other is incorrect, both takes their beliefs as gospel
 

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alright then, thanks phil lol.

Technically, theism is religion. atheism, implies 'without' belief in god. We dont really 'believe' in science per se, we 'know' it. It can be proven over and over again by laws. religion require faith wherein the person 'needs' to believe in god because there is no proof.
 

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sure it is.

If i can't see, touch, taste, smell or hear it, it doesn't exist.
 

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Atheism isn't a religion as it doesn't teach the most fundamental thing on how we are supposed to behave and treat others in the real world. It is also constantly willing to rewrite itself to find itself. Yes the churches do that to but they often times deny it. And they deny that their current philosophies and interpretations could be better.

Contrary historians have observed that its often those who are most machiavellian and self serving in life that achieve the most, and become powerful figures and have spread their seed the most, yet nobody in the scientific community tries to prescribe this view point. Just look at Vladimir Putin, Bill Gates, Genghis Khan. Look at the european settlers constantly warring with the indians and breaking every single treaty formed with them and dominating them. If they had not done this there decedents would not have spread across the continent. Where is the scientific community telling people to be utterly self serving cold and machivellian?

Yet science doesn't try to prescribe this as the way to behave, and if everyone behaved like this it would tear apart the social fabric that keeps society together.
 

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sure it is.

If i can't see, touch, taste, smell or hear it, it doesn't exist.

Atoms? Dark matter? black holes?

Absence of proof is not proof of absence
True which is why i am agnostic :) show me proof, absolute proof, and i will become theistic.
 

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Dark matter atoms and black holes can all be seen using instruments.
 

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technically they cant be seen, only their effects. but i get what you mean.
 
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