[@ruantec]

They are not even trying but if things keep going the way they are now then your favorite Company may face some serious competition very soon.... that being said the only sad part of it is that Android may die in the Long run and i find it sad since i personally always loved the idea behind.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Android dying? I'll prepare the popcorn to see that finale 5 years from now.

A platform doesn't just "die" when it is 60% of the marketshare. It took Nokia 5 years to get to the point they are at now, and they had much less marketshare than 60%.

I'm only seeing Microsoft's shares going down, if anything.

 

[barrybarryk]

The leaked spec isn't for a tablet, it's for a pair of devices ("Tablet Computing Device" & "Stationary Computing Device") that are called XBOX Surface. The tablet portion has just 288MB of RAM and a custom IBM processor, the stationary portion has pretty much everything you'd expect in a new XBOX, same architecture and even the same product name.

Not a tablet, a new console with a tablet controller. If anything they're copying from Nintendo but to be fair the document dates back to a fair bit before the Wii U stuff was made public.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Wii U was inspired by the iPad either way. Or you may somehow be able to argue that the tablet form factor isn't new and that the iPad is merely a variation of it, but I think it's pretty evident that the rise of tablet computing has somewhat forced Microsoft and Nintendo to re-evaluate their console designs. And Apple was solely responsible for the tablet rise, so at least Apple influenced the decision.

If the iPad didn't sell as well as it did, I'm sure we'd still have netbooks and traditional laptops with better designs now. And traditional non-oversized non-tablet controllers.

But having said that, I had some hands-on time with the Wii U, and I must say... it's nice. Now that you mentioned it, I guess it's possible Microsoft may take a similar stance and create their next gaming system based on the same concept. It remains to be seen how well the concept will push (since the Wii U is not officially out in many markets).

 

[barrybarryk]

Or maybe that the Wii U isn't a tablet. Or is everything with a touchscreen copying the iPad now? Just stop with the rampant Apple fanboy-ism it's hard to have a conversation with someone that talks so much nonsense

 

[runawayprisoner]

If the Wii U isn't a tablet, then the screen can be made a lot smaller. That'll make it more like a traditional handheld, or controller. They were on that same path all the way up until the Wii, and I dare say they have other ways to "innovate"... like make the 3DS a wireless controller.

Key point: they decided to make a device with a BIG TOUCH SCREEN and gave it some buttons. If it's not a tablet, then it obviously drew inspiration from something that has a big touch screen. Last I checked, a "big touch screen" is the key signature of a tablet.

And I'm not sure why you have to keep throwing "fanboy-ism" as an argument. I don't call anyone a "Microsoft fanboy" while they defend or mention anything regarding Microsoft.

I'm willing to discuss it in a civil manner, but you seem very unwilling to do so whenever the subject involves Apple.

 

[barrybarryk]

OK then why do you think they copied the iPad over their own DS line, that's sold over 150 million units worldwide, plays games using the same two screen design and is, you know, relevant.

 

[runawayprisoner]

That's what I'd like to know.

They actually didn't have to "copy" or do any redesign. The 3DS can be made into a wireless controller for the Wii U just fine. They have even admitted that:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...7/Nintendo_Wii_U_Controllers_Not_Sold_Separately_3DS_May_Work_As_Controller.php

 

[barrybarryk]

What has that got to do with your half assed assertion that it must be copying the iPad because it has a slightly bigger touchscreen

 

[Kaizen]

I bought win8 today and have to jimmy a copy of the legit dvd with an edited .ini to upgrade. Not cool.

My gran also bought one of those imac style windows 8 pcs and she now doesn't use her physical keyboard and opts instead to use the onscreen one which irked me, she likes it though and seems to get around.

 

[Daphnes]

That's what I'd like to know.

They actually didn't have to "copy" or do any redesign. The 3DS can be made into a wireless controller for the Wii U just fine. They have even admitted that:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...7/Nintendo_Wii_U_Controllers_Not_Sold_Separately_3DS_May_Work_As_Controller.php

I've seen some interviews with Miyamoto, saying that they wanted to implement this kind of gameplay long ago (N64 + transfer pak, GC + GBA, etc.). But they realised that only a handful of the consumers had both consoles, so it was actually a drawback to make games that focus on this setup. That's why they decided to deliver this setup right out of the box, and drop the need of a 3DS.

And speaking of touch screen, just because it resembles an tablet, doesn't mean it was inspired by it. I think touch is there because it is intuitive, and nowdays dirty cheap. Also, the screen of the wiiu controller is pressure-based, not that gay-eletromagnetic-thingy used in apple stuff.

Just to clarify, I don't hate apple, as I am writing this using an ipad :dead:

 

[runawayprisoner]

What has that got to do with your half assed assertion that it must be copying the iPad because it has a slightly bigger touchscreen

And why is it "half assed"? Honestly, can't you discuss something without mild personal attack?

And no, it's not a "slightly bigger" touch screen. The thing is gigantic. It's 6.2" for just the screen.

That's well into tablet territory.

And speaking of touch screen, just because it resembles an tablet, doesn't mean it was inspired by it. I think touch is there because it is intuitive, and nowdays dirty cheap. Also, the screen of the wiiu controller is pressure-based, not that gay-eletromagnetic-thingy used in apple stuff.

Just to clarify, I don't hate apple, as I am writing this using an ipad :dead:

Until you hold the thing and see it in person, I think... it's really hard to say it's "not" inspired by a tablet design.

Maybe they didn't take the inspiration from the iPad, but... that doesn't take away from the fact that it's still a very big controller that no one has ever made before.

There are even "Pro" controllers from Nintendo that follow the traditional design cues. What reasons does Nintendo have for creating a big controller?

As a side note, put a Wii U gamepad and an iPad together... and...

What are you gonna say? It's a "big Vita"?

 

[the_randomizer]

As a side note, put a Wii U gamepad and an iPad together... and...

What are you gonna say? It's a "big Vita"?

Only this time, there will be a lot more sales.

Oh, and 2000th post FTW

 

[@ruantec]

^ lol that was a good one

 

[barrybarryk]

Cash in on the tablet craze? Again it follows the exact same game design philosophy as the DS family. Which launched long before and sold more than the entire iPad family to date. It even looks like the lower half of a DS, I just don't get how you think it's inspired by the iPad when Nintendo have been knocking devices out just like it but as a handheld console for nearly a decade

 

[cognositivo]

As people say in my country: "si no la gana la empata"

That thing looks more like a big 3DS than an iPad.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Cash in on the tablet craze? Again it follows the exact same game design philosophy as the DS family. Which launched long before and sold more than the entire iPad family to date. It even looks like the lower half of a DS, I just don't get how you think it's inspired by the iPad when Nintendo have been knocking devices out just like it but as a handheld console for nearly a decade

How "I" think it's inspired by the iPad?

You oughta read more...

http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/03/this-could-be-great/

http://www.nintendo-gamer.net/2012/03/08/new-ipad-wii-u-versus-ipad-3/

http://www.1up.com/news/forget-wii-u-ipad-offers-dual-screen-gaming-this-fall

I am NOT the only one that thinks Nintendo is taking some cues from Apple.

As people say in my country: "si no la gana la empata"

That thing looks more like a big 3DS than an iPad.

Big 3DS? Okay...

Anyway, I think we have strayed very far away from Windows 8.

 

[@ruantec]

Ahhemmm.... Apple is one of the world's biggest idea stealers.

 

[barrybarryk]

How "I" think it's inspired by the iPad?

Yes you, you did claim it after all

You oughta read more...

http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/03/this-could-be-great/
http://www.nintendo-gamer.net/2012/03/08/new-ipad-wii-u-versus-ipad-3/
http://www.1up.com/news/forget-wii-u-ipad-offers-dual-screen-gaming-this-fall

I am NOT the only one that thinks Nintendo is taking some cues from Apple.

Big 3DS? Okay...

Maybe you should read more, not one of those articles mentions the Wii U copying, being inspired by or taking cues from the iPad

Edit: And lets not forget this whole discussion started when you read a rumour Microsoft might be making an xbox tablet and you decided they must be copying Apple even though there were exactly ZERO details about it

 

[runawayprisoner]

Yes you, you did claim it after all

And I'm saying I'm not the only one.

Maybe you should read more, not one of those articles mentions the Wii U copying, being inspired by or taking cues from the iPad

Please read again... first sentence of third link:

Wii U's new controller has been compared by many to the iPad and, on a basic level, it's not that far off: It's a tablet-like device you hold in your hands

Edit: And lets not forget this whole discussion started when you read a rumour Microsoft might be making an xbox tablet and you decided they must be copying Apple even though there were exactly ZERO details about it

And you mentioned the Wii U as Microsoft's inspiration rather than the iPad, which sparked this whole discussion.

But anyway, I'm stopping. It's not worth it. Obviously we aren't going to convince each other.