[Princess Garnet]

I doubt it. It seems Microsoft's mantra is forgetting about the desktop (and this includes laptops, etc.), or at least the "old ways" of it. It's all about "touch" now, like tablets and smartphones. They see, and maybe even want, the old ways (non-touch, mouse, etc.) to go away. Consider that there is no option for the old way in Windows 8 anymore (unless the final release reverses that). The "dekstop" and it's ways is a relic that they want to ween people from. Although there are still some who aren't as removed from it, downloads has it's own place, icons were removed and put in the start menu, and search and keyboard shortcuts are more handy. For many people, me included, it's just a wallpaper (that being said, I still like it as my workspace center). It's not the center of the OS anymore though. The "Start menu", Metro, is, and the desktop is an "app" (eww, yucky word!). That's Microsoft's idea, I think, and whether it's a step forward, back, or both is what's got people going at it. Personally, for my uses (which are the "old ways"), on the desktop, I think it's pretty lame. It might work well for touch, but not for me on a desktop.

Many may not remember it, but even back in Windows XP's early days, Microsoft/Bill Gates was parading about how tablets were the future; how they'd be "the" standard in five years time (which would've meant by 2007...) and that they'd be more powerful than the average desktop.

With the iPad's success, they seem set to capture that again. Consider that one of the welcome snippets or whatever for Windows 8 even foreshadows this. It says something about being built around touch or whatever; a new OS for a new future/way or whatever.

 

[KrossX]

From giga:

http://gigaherz.pcsx2.net/NPowerTray/
http://www.addictivetips.com/window...dows-tips/bypass-windows-8-start-screen-to-jump-directly-to-desktop-on-startup/

 

[runawayprisoner]

Does it let me do Window button -> Up arrow -> Enter to shut down?

 

[-StrikE-]

Personally i freaking hate touch screens and such, MS can go **** it self with the new windows 8 (mainly talking about the desktop part here)... Hopefully though it will turn into a fiasco.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Amazingly, I would agree. Touch on a desktop OS is just not the way at all. I think they need to decide whether they want to continue the Windows legacy or they want to throw it into the ocean.

Having a hybrid with the worst of both worlds is just... bad.

 

[Princess Garnet]

Windows 8 might be fantastic... for touch tablets, but trying to force "evolution" for a platform where few seem to want it will just make people stick with Windows 7. They didn't learn from Windows XP, it seems.

By the way, Windows XP is still my favorite OS to come from them, relatively speaking, even if Windows 7 is almost all around nicer for the times now.

 

[KrossX]

Does it let me do Window button -> Up arrow -> Enter to shut down?

<KrossX> Does it have a hotkey?
<gigaherz> nope
<Squall-Le> can it do the hokey pokey
<gigaherz> if you want kb
<pSXAuthor> Squall-Le: actually its defined as 60/1.001 nominal
<gigaherz> yo ucan use ctrl-alt-del or alt-f4 from desktop

On another note! Go giga!

 

[runawayprisoner]

Alt + F4!!!!!

Yeah, totally forgot about it. Now I can turn my computer off faster, right?

Click on desktop > Alt + F4 > Enter
Window button > Up arrow > Enter

Hmm... I still prefer Window button.

 

[@ruantec]

Such a show just to turn off the computer faster???? c´mon guys!!!

Windows supports several shutdown commands and everyone here could code a shutdown button, window, layer or whatever... let me give you a hand.

1. Download SharpDevelop(support my Austrian fellas) or Visual C# 2010 Express
2. Design your super app to look the way you want it
3. Attach an event
4. Add this line of code to your event: Process.Start("shutdown.exe", "-s -t 00");
5. Compile your awesomeness

Enjoy a 1 click shutdown brougth to you by @ruantec to solve people's tragedy

UPDATE:
Forgot to explain the parameters...

"-s" = Shutdown
"-r" = Restart
"-l" = Logoff

The "-t" controls the timer since you usually get 20 seconds to shutdown, restart or logoff so by writting "-t 00" we set the time to the lowest in order to execute it immediatly... hope it helps.


Comming up next: Startmenu overlay to solve startmenu tragedies.....

 

[KrossX]

Yes, it's a silly tool that lots of us could've made; and he made it. No need to get so competitive about it, really.

Heck, you could even make a shortcut with a hotkey for a quick shutdown.

 

[@ruantec]

Well, i wasn't talking about giga's tool which is a nice one but how picky people are this days and how easy they could make one if they wish instead of complaining

 

[runawayprisoner]

Well, yeah. Let's stop complaining about Microsoft doing things the wrong way and just accept that they are still awesome.

Meanwhile, let's go bash the successful competitor who is doing more things right instead!

On a more serious note, those features were available in Windows 7... without any third-party tool, so writing one specifically just for Windows 8 seems like a waste. Plus if you have to write one program for every missing thing...

 

[@ruantec]

Probably you will be surprised but I agree with you here. Apple is indeed doing a better job while MS seems to be clueless atm with Windows 8. Sad but true... I preffer a Mango based tablet pc than Windows 8 on it for personal use.. I guess MS will have to learn it the hard way... Still am happy I can fix some of the problems myself at least

 

[runawayprisoner]

I wouldn't say Apple is doing a better job than MS. I can list a thousand things that they are wrong to OSX (thanks to iOS), but that's beyond the scope of this thread. I meant it as sarcasm mostly. <= hence this

I'd be happy if MS realized that they didn't have to do a lot to make Windows 7 better. They just had to optimize the base of it. They had the right idea at the inception of Windows 8, and then the Metro crap came along...

Sincerely, there are only two things that I want from Windows 7 for it to be a perfect OS: more performance optimizations to DWM, and more power profile optimizations.

 

[@ruantec]

I personally believe that metro is not the core of the problems in windows 8 but is more a design problem where they are trying to do something good by providing both worlds... They are just doing it wrong. Btw I was talking about iOS in my previous post not OSX.

 

[-StrikE-]

Sincerely, there are only two things that I want from Windows 7 for it to be a perfect OS: more performance optimizations to DWM, and more power profile optimizations.

Add a classic startmenu, and thin taskbar at the sideways of the screen to the equation and its the perfect OS :lol:.

 

[runawayprisoner]

I personally believe that metro is not the core of the problems in windows 8 but is more a design problem where they are trying to do something good by providing both worlds... They are just doing it wrong. Btw I was talking about iOS in my previous post not OSX.

iOS has its own host of problems as well. It doesn't show normally, but I can at least tell you that in iOS 5, there is a resilient bug on the iPad 2 where if you browse the web on Safari, it'll randomly crash at some point. That's not because the device is low on memory. It's simply a bug carried over from the beta... (yeah, 12 betas apparently wasn't enough to iron out all bugs for Apple) They just released 5.1, but I doubt that's just so they can start rolling onto iOS 6 early.

Add a classic startmenu, and thin taskbar at the sideways of the screen to the equation and its the perfect OS :lol:.

Couldn't agree more. I mean... honestly, the "super bar" in Windows 7 is "fatter" than Apple's dock, which is already pretty friggin' fat.

 

[n_w95482]

You can always reduce the size of the Windows 7 bar. Right click on it, Properties, check "Use small icons". I prefer the look of it over the standard giant bar/buttons.

 

[runawayprisoner]

You can always reduce the size of the Windows 7 bar. Right click on it, Properties, check "Use small icons". I prefer the look of it over the standard giant bar/buttons.

Yeah, but when you put it to the size, the smaller icons don't really help that much.

 

[n_w95482]

It isn't a huge decrease, but it does help somewhat. Plus I like how the Windows orb kind of bulges out of the bar.