[Ninjaa]

I have. He really doesn't like it, and Planet GameCube agrees with him. I have learned to trust Planet GameCube's judgement. Have you bought their new DVD yet? I already have mine pre-ordered. SHINE GET!!!

 

[Ninjaa]

It's looking a lot closer this time around.

 

[sniff_381]

Originally posted by Ninja
It's looking a lot closer this time around.

8 votes for PS2
7 votes for gamecube

It is really close... making threads about the same topic??? we should stick to one thread... replying to all these threads about the same topic will sure be making these threads very active.. I think someone should make this topic a sticky one..

 

[Ninjaa]

It's 8 to 8 now sniff. Do you know how great it makes me feel to know that the PS2 could have over a years head start, and still be beaten by the GameCube? It shows me just which system is continuing the legacy of the N64.

It's been almost 2 years since the PS2 launched, and it still has only a handful of good games, and only one RPG worth mentioning.

It has been about 8 months since the GameCube launched. GameCube has its first RPG already, and can stand eye to eye with the PS2 in most genres. Fantastic RPG games are just on the horizon, and a whole slew of kick ass games will be launched in the coming months, starting with Eternal Darkness later this month.

 

[Exophase]

.. oh give me a break... suure Ninja, think what you want. Just because some little poll of less than 2 dozen people on one message board shows them tied (and most people who took the first poll seriously don't feel like voting again, which is apparent by the fact that that poll has a good 4 times the votes this one has, and PS2 is clearly whomping GCN there) doesn't mean that the GCN is doing "just as well" as the year older PS2. PS2's still got more sales, like it or not, which is only understandable GIVEN its release time. And their first RPG.. ahaha... that piece of crap? Tell me when a good RPG actually makes it there. If you think GCN has a brighter future for RPGs than PS2 then you are seriously deluding yourself. Read my post in the other thread. GCN doesn't stand a chance right now, with that genre. PS2 continuing the N64's legacy? How can that be possible, when several of the most popular RPG serieses have sequels coming on PS2? Many have made it in Japan already, and we've already got FFX here, which I don't exactly love, but it's a million times better than all of the N64 RPGs put together (which wouldn't amount to very many)... man, you're a pretty dedicated Nintendo wh0re you know.. better RPGs... heh ^_^

- Exo

 

[Ninjaa]

Exophase, play Lost Kingdoms, then say it sucks. I know that I am not alone in thinking that it is a very fun game.

These polls take a lot of time though. The other two polls that asked this question both started out at about this speed, and increased in votes over time. The first poll was overwhelmingly PS2 right from the start, and the second one showed GameCube at about 50%. This one shows the two neck and neck. I would call that a trend.

It is true that GameCube hasn't quite caught up to the PS2 in sales yet, but I don't see where that's relevant. The games on the GameCube are becoming just as good as the PS2's and no amount of wishful thinking can change that.

Yes, Breath of Fire and Star Ocean are coming to PS2, but GameCube isn't exactly slouching. In the upcoming year, we will see a new Tales game, a new Final Fantasy series, and Skies of Arcadia. I would say that each of those games is from a high profile RPG series. In comparison, the PS2 managed to get FFX out the door in the same time period. Keep in mind that these are the only high profile RPGs that have been ANNOUNCED. This does not include secret projects, which probably include Earthbound, Fire Emblem, and some sort of Enix project. If you call yourself a hardcore RPG fan, then I don't see where you can afford to miss the GameCube. Near as I can tell, it is pretty much required if you are a hardcore fan of Final Fantasy, Tales, or Earthbound. And let's also remember that both Capcom and Namco are both heavily supporting GameCube right now.

But even with the astounding amount of evidence suggesting that the GameCube does in fact have a strong RPG presence, let's assume that it doesn't. Even without RPGs, GameCube is still powerful. Games like Zelda, Mario, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, and Resident Evil can all sell quite a few systems. You can rave about the popularity of RPGs all you want, but Mario games still sell better than the best RPG.

 

[Exophase]

Exophase, play Lost Kingdoms, then say it sucks. I know that I am not alone in thinking that it is a very fun game.

And I'm not alone in thinking that it's crap. Sorry.

These polls take a lot of time though. The other two polls that asked this question both started out at about this speed, and increased in votes over time. The first poll was overwhelmingly PS2 right from the start, and the second one showed GameCube at about 50%. This one shows the two neck and neck. I would call that a trend.

And I call it BS. More people are still responding to the first thread. Honestly though, this really doesn't mean anything, I don't really see the point to these polls, these forums are hardly very representative of much.

It is true that GameCube hasn't quite caught up to the PS2 in sales yet, but I don't see where that's relevant. The games on the GameCube are becoming just as good as the PS2's and no amount of wishful thinking can change that.

I never really said anything about the GCN's games. I'm sure it has lots of great games, it might be better at the PS2 in all areas BUT ONE, RPGs. I'm an RPG gamer (pretty much solely) and PS2 is definitely poised as the better RPG machine. And no amount of wishful thinking can change THAT.

Yes, Breath of Fire and Star Ocean are coming to PS2, but GameCube isn't exactly slouching. In the upcoming year, we will see a new Tales game, a new Final Fantasy series, and Skies of Arcadia.

Uh, woot? PS2 is also getting: new Tales game, new FF games, and Skies of Arcadia. The FF stuff isn't very solid right now, so you'd be much better off waiting and seeing. Of course, while I like (some) of the FF games it's not my favorite series, and most people who seriously play RPGs seem to agree these days.

I would say that each of those games is from a high profile RPG series.

Okay, I'll ignore the fact that Skies of Arcadia isn't even remotely part of a high profile RPG series and point out that you're not thinking relatively. Whatever GCN has in this category, PS2 has MORE. Whatever GCN has, PS2 also MATCHES, basically. The maybe two or three RPGs to look out for for GCN are nothing compared to the six or seven to look out for for PS2. Go to rpgamer.com and compare the number of PS2 RPGs to GCN RPGs. Most of the big serieses are already TAKEN by PS2, and most of them won't just split open (like Tales or supposedely FF, which I'm skeptical about to some degree).

In comparison, the PS2 managed to get FFX out the door in the same time period. Keep in mind that these are the only high profile RPGs that have been ANNOUNCED. This does not include secret projects, which probably include Earthbound, Fire Emblem, and some sort of Enix project.

Earthbound... okay, they never produced EB3 and have announced no plans, but sure, that could magically appear. What MIGHT happen doesn't mean much, we only have to go by what WILL happen. And btw, it's pretty likely that Enix will put more effort into PS2.

If you call yourself a hardcore RPG fan, then I don't see where you can afford to miss the GameCube. Near as I can tell, it is pretty much required if you are a hardcore fan of Final Fantasy, Tales, or Earthbound.

I'm not made of money. I can't just buy every system that has a game or two worth getting. If you're a hardcore RPG fan and are buying ONE system then it would be foolish to pass up PS2, when it's offering so much more. Square is definitely going to be stronger with Sony, PS2 is getting the Tales game too, and who knows if this Earthbound game will ever really come. Not that I consider EB a series which "every serious RPGer must play." You seem to be focusing extensively on what little the GCN manages to promise, and completely ignore everything that the PS2 is promising.

And let's also remember that both Capcom and Namco are both heavily supporting GameCube right now.

Doesn't really mean anything.. if they think RPGs will do better on the PS2, they'll probably focus more on the PS2. Serious RPG gamers WILL probably choose PS2 over GCN if the choice is to be made.

But even with the astounding amount of evidence suggesting that the GameCube does in fact have a strong RPG presence, let's assume that it doesn't.

Again, relative. What defines strong? Because compared to the PS2, it is quite weak in appearance. Of course, a lot of people said the same thing about the N64 and what a good RPG machine it'll be... we all know how that turned out. Nonetheless I'll be utterly shocked if Nintendo manages to be dumb enough to make all the same mistakes again in that area.

Even without RPGs, GameCube is still powerful. Games like Zelda, Mario, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, and Resident Evil can all sell quite a few systems. You can rave about the popularity of RPGs all you want, but Mario games still sell better than the best RPG.

Listen, I made it very clear from the start that I wasn't comparing the consoles in general, only their RPGs. I also made it very clear that I only care about RPGs. This isn't a console debate, this is about RPGs, and that's it. GCN very may well sell better and be better for a lot of people, but not for me or anyone who plays games like I do (primarily RPGs)... so with that in mind don't waste your time with such arguments with me again.

But come on, let's face it. No BS console zealotism here, just look at the facts. PS2 has got far more big name RPGs on the way than GCN, right now. And unless something fairly drastic happens it'll always be the better RPG machine, you just can't sway several serieses like that. Sony themselves has stake in a few RPG serieses of its own, while Nintendo's first party RPGs have been mostly laughable (gahah.. Paper Mario... I'm not even going to both, I'm sure you'll try to convince me that this is a good RPG too because it has Mario and everyone loves him...).. and Sony still has a much better relationship with Square, who Nintendo seem intent on pissing off over and over...

I'd like to see you try again to convince me that GCN will be better for RPGs though. It's pretty amusing seeing what depths you'll go to to support your favorite console.. next you'll be telling me that GBA is more powerful than PSX or something

- Exo

 

[sniff_381]

Exophase... R u mad at Ninja?

 

[Exophase]

Originally posted by sniff_381
Exophase... R u mad at Ninja?

Um.. no.

- Exo

 

[ammoQ]

I think both GC and PS2 have their advantages, i.e. PS2 has more and cheaper games, GC has exciting exclusives and it's small and light (this is important if you want to tidy up the room and store it away with the other toys). Althought the PS2 hardware spces don't look too good, it seems that developers have learned to use it well. The XBox seems to have only disadvantages. It's expensive, the games are expensive, it's too big and heavy, most games are non-essential and since it creates a big loss for MS, I doubt they will keep it alive for too long when they see they cannot win the war. Look at this:
http://red-mercury.com/mmceo/mmceo_current.html

 

[Syed Fawad]

I like what Exo said, but I hate RPGs, still I say PS2 is the way; why ? Ninja's knows why. Ninja why donyu mention a few more games? so that I may get a chance of liking a game on GC.

 

[Ninjaa]

Link is in Soul Calibur II for GameCube Syed. Suck it. I'll find more later, but for now I have to debate RPGs. (That's my thing, quite unlike wrestling)

And I'm not alone in thinking that it's crap. Sorry.

I will admit that it is a niche game, but I will never say it sucks. Penny Arcade and Planet GameCube agree with me on that point, and I know people other than them that really liked the game as well. Yet I can see that for some people there wouldn't be much fun. Myself, I liked the card collecting and combat system.

And I call it BS. More people are still responding to the first thread. Honestly though, this really doesn't mean anything, I don't really see the point to these polls, these forums are hardly very representative of much.

I disagree there. These forums might not be representative of gamers in general, but I like to see the trends here nonetheless. The results of this poll have shown a sharp change in mind over time. It's that that I am really interested in. When I came to these boards, the people here were almost ALL PS2 fans, and most hated the GameCube. Over time, that attitude has changed dramatically. I would produce a link for the original thread, but unfortunately I cannot find it.

I never really said anything about the GCN's games. I'm sure it has lots of great games, it might be better at the PS2 in all areas BUT ONE, RPGs. I'm an RPG gamer (pretty much solely) and PS2 is definitely poised as the better RPG machine. And no amount of wishful thinking can change THAT.

I don't think I made myself as clear as I should have earlier on. RPGs are obviously not as strong as the PS2's RPGs. I was never debating that. What I am saying is that the GameCube has a lot more potential for good RPGs. The GameCube has been out for 8 months so far, and is already massing a small army of RPGs. At this point in the PS2's life, all that existed was the promise of FFX.

Uh, woot? PS2 is also getting: new Tales game, new FF games, and Skies of Arcadia. The FF stuff isn't very solid right now, so you'd be much better off waiting and seeing. Of course, while I like (some) of the FF games it's not my favorite series, and most people who seriously play RPGs seem to agree these days.

Yeah, I agree with you on Final Fantasy, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a high profile RPG. The point I was trying to make on that was that GameCube is not slouching in the RPG department, and it is doing considerably well considering its young age.

Okay, I'll ignore the fact that Skies of Arcadia isn't even remotely part of a high profile RPG series and point out that you're not thinking relatively. Whatever GCN has in this category, PS2 has MORE. Whatever GCN has, PS2 also MATCHES, basically. The maybe two or three RPGs to look out for for GCN are nothing compared to the six or seven to look out for for PS2. Go to rpgamer.com and compare the number of PS2 RPGs to GCN RPGs. Most of the big serieses are already TAKEN by PS2, and most of them won't just split open (like Tales or supposedely FF, which I'm skeptical about to some degree).

Tales, FF, and an all new Namco RPG are GameCube exclusive. It's the truth, and you can check Gamespot or IGN for proof. But you have to remember that the PS2 is almost 2 years old, and still hasn't delivered much of anything. Yes, it's true that the GameCube doesn't have much at the moment either, but by the time GameCube is two years old, we will have FFU, Tales 4, Skies of Arcadia, and whatever Camelot, Namco, Nintendo, and Sega have hidden.

Earthbound... okay, they never produced EB3 and have announced no plans, but sure, that could magically appear. What MIGHT happen doesn't mean much, we only have to go by what WILL happen. And btw, it's pretty likely that Enix will put more effort into PS2.

Enix has repeatedly said that they are waiting and seeing what will happen with the consoles, and which will become the more viable console to develop on. Yes, it's true that the PS2 has a bigger userbase, but Enix doesn't really like the PS2 hardware much, and they also said that publicly.

As far as Earthbound goes, Nintendo has always been very secretive. Golden Sun 2 for example was just announced that it will be released in Japan this month for GBA. End of speculation right there. (Camelot's secret GCN RPG is in all likelihood a GameCube/GBA interactive Golden Sun). Earthbound 64 was promised throughout the N64's life, but was never delivered due to hardware constraints on the N64, coupled with the failure of the 64DD. In all likelihood, the project was moved to the GameCube.

I'm not made of money. I can't just buy every system that has a game or two worth getting. If you're a hardcore RPG fan and are buying ONE system then it would be foolish to pass up PS2, when it's offering so much more. Square is definitely going to be stronger with Sony, PS2 is getting the Tales game too, and who knows if this Earthbound game will ever really come. Not that I consider EB a series which "every serious RPGer must play." You seem to be focusing extensively on what little the GCN manages to promise, and completely ignore everything that the PS2 is promising.

I AM a serious RPG gamer, and I have chosen the GameCube. The PS2 might be better in the short term fight (like about 6 - 12 months), but in the long run, I can definately see GameCube taking the lead. It has serious RPG support for a system of its age, and I am sure that at some point it will be getting some more of the bigger names, although I won't speculate on what those might be. It is insane to think that the only RPGs that GameCube will get are the ones announced though. I have not ignored the PS2's lineup, I just think it's inevitable that a system that has been out for two years will have some good games coming out for it. The problem I have with the PS2, is that the only good RPG game out for it so far is FFX. You would think it could do a little better in that amount of time.

But come on, let's face it. No BS console zealotism here, just look at the facts. PS2 has got far more big name RPGs on the way than GCN, right now. And unless something fairly drastic happens it'll always be the better RPG machine, you just can't sway several serieses like that. Sony themselves has stake in a few RPG serieses of its own, while Nintendo's first party RPGs have been mostly laughable (gahah.. Paper Mario... I'm not even going to both, I'm sure you'll try to convince me that this is a good RPG too because it has Mario and everyone loves him...).. and Sony still has a much better relationship with Square, who Nintendo seem intent on pissing off over and over...

Paper Mario was a good game. What didn't you like about it? Besides, you are forgetting that Nintendo was also responsible for making Fire Emblem, Super Mario RPG, and Earthbound. Those were quite some RPGs if I remember correctly.

Let's get something straight. Square were the ones who pissed off Nintendo, not vice versa. Square got mad at Nintendo for just brushing them off when Square went to Sony, and retaliated witha bunch of childish things, such as mocking the N64 hardware, and sending Nintendo gloating postcards. Square has publicly apologized for their arrogance, and that is part of the reason Nintendo took them back. (Square begged Nintendo for a long time to get there.)

But now it's very different. Nintendo is under new leadership, and Square can now make as many Nintendo games as they like under Nintendo's new deal. Sony has no input on the issue, despite being the minority stockholder of Square. It's a long complicated story, so just trust me, alright? If you want to hear it though, I will tell it.

 

[Ninjaa]

btw, since the the other thread has come back from the dead, have you noticed that GameCube has risen in votes dramatically? Until a few days ago, GameCube had one short of half the votes the PS2 had. I remember because I thought that was the final count.

 

[Syed Fawad]

Soul Calibur 2 has link, it doesn't matter for me. It even doesn't matter if Soul calibur 2 is released on PS2 or not. I have enopugh fighting games and I am looking forward to "SD Shut your Mouth" more than anything else.

From your and Exo's debate I found out that RPG is still better on PS2. I am not talking about waiting for years and years for good games. GC might have tought u some patience man.

As far as the war b/w PS2 and GC is concerned. I find it like this:


PS2 is kicking GC's ass in RPG department.
PS2 is better in WWE department.
PS2 is winning too in Fighting department.
PS2 takes the gold medal over GC in car combat.
Can't say much about racing, but no game can beat GT3 A Spec. (Ever seen a wet road as real as in this?)
GC goes one up on PS2 in survival horror. PS2 does have SH3 but I care for RE more
Adventure( Monkey Island types) games are rare and PS2 have only two of them and GC has none(?). So PS2 wins in this department.

For the other genres, I could care less. Sports are Multiplateform anyway.

I think I have just made Ninja Mad

 

[Ninjaa]

It takes more than that to make me mad. (Although it does happen from time to time (mainly when arguing with the clinically retarded.))

PS2 can have wrestling, it's a minority who buy the games anyway, and I am not one of them. (What's the deal with WWF: No Mercy? What system was that for?)

As an RPG gamer, I assure you that I am not feeling left out, as I was with the N64. I am quite happy with Nintendo's RPG lineup, and although PS2 is getting some pretty good ones, I am not that jealous, as GameCube is getting some really good ones as well.

GameCube wins hands down in survival horror. All PS2 has to show is Silent Hill, and while it's a good game, it can easily be found on Xbox and PC as well. (I am getting the PC version when it comes out.)

With GameCube haveing SSBM, and the upcoming release of SC2, I can hardly see why you would think that the PS2 is winning. (Yes, SSBM is THAT good).

Car combat? That's like Mario Kart isn't it? Donkey Kong Racing and Mario Kart will make their appearance in due time.

Racing is a toss up. GameCube has the new Ridge Racer game, the new NFS game, as well as Mario Kart and Donkey Kong Racing when they come out. (For the last time, I didnt' think that GT3 was better than GT2, if graphics are what you are concerned about, then I assure you that GameCube can handle a wet road better than a PS2)

Platforming is simply the best on GameCube. Mario Sunshine, and Star Fox Adventures will bring in a new generation of platformer, and I am looking forward to playing it. I just have to wait for the new Conker game to come out, and then I can gloat to my heart's content.

With action games such as Minority Report, Splinter Cell, Dead to Rights, Turok Evolution, and Metroid Prime forthcoming, I really don't see how the GameCube is slouching any.

As far as adventure games go, well Zelda is obviously the ruler there. Let's not forget Doshin the Giant, Animal Crossing, or Sonic though.

Multiplayer? I don't think the PS2 can ever compete with the GameCube in that Arena. Nintendo has been, and always will be king of the party game. Mario Party 4, 007, and the usual assortment of racing games will make sure of that.

 

[Syed Fawad]

IIRC SC2 will be on PS2 (Link is of no concern to me in fact its worth a laugh) as well as the new NFS.

Now I can bet that you know nothing about Tekken or VF4, if u can say that they are not as good as SSBM. Well, I too donno much about SSBM myself, but IGN tells me that this type of fighting wasn't created with me kept in the developer's mind.

Talk about wet road; I haven't seen anything, ANYTHING at all like that on GC. Moreover, no game has got any points higher than this.

The car combat is nothing like Twisted metal. Nothing can be like this at all. The huge fully interactive arenas and awesome combat cars are irreplaceable. Unlike the cutie "All games must include Mario or Link" of GC.


And I don't know how I missed GTA ! the all in one mega package. And a new part is on the way. (I just reached Staunton)

Action games are of no concern to me.
Adventure genre is sorta confusing. U mention Sonic in adventure whereas I mentioned Monkey Island.

Plateform? I hate it, this may be referred to as kiddie genre. I say GC must win in this genre

When it comes to my personal taste, PS2 is invincible. But on a general aspect, GC is close to PS2.

So we can sum up like this: (excluding the PC ports which I don't think GC is getting like Max payne or Deus Ex)

Wrestling: PS2
Fighting: PS2 (SSBM may be awesome, but SC2 will also be on PS2. SSBM CAN be replaced by Tekken4 or VF4 or even DOA2!)
Surv. Horror: GC (no doubt)
Racing: Draw
RPG: PS2
Car Com: PS2
Adventure: PS2 (MI type)
Adventure: GC (Sonic Type)
Action: GC (Not my type, so I'll give the point to u )
Multiplayer? GC (Don't know, but I'll give it to u)
Strategy PS2 (With Commandos and other Maxis titles. I wonder if there is any on the GC)
Plateform GC (the great)

PS2 =6
GCN =5

PS2 wins !

 

[Hanamichi]

Eh....you forgot one. Looks : GCN.
The PS2 looks like a black box....
Just joking, I agree with your view Syed but about racing...
I still think GT3 is the best racing game ever

 

[Ninjaa]

You gave strategy to PS2? What about Pikmin? That game simply owns.

With RPG games, I still say it's more of a draw, because the GameCube has a lot more potential for RPGs than the PS2 ever did. It's just that the PS2 has a few more at the current moment in time. Nevertheless, I give you the point.

Fighting gmes I guess in raw numbers, I can give you the point. However, no fighting game can come near the quality of SSBM, and that's simply the truth. Tekken and Virtua Fighter bore me after a few rounds, while I can always keep coming back to SSBM.

Car Combat: Sorry, but I hate Twisted Metal with a passion. The game features drab, uninteresting pseudo-realistic environments, and a totally whacked physics model. I prefer Mario Kart any day. I would definately give the point to Nintendo.

Puzzle games also belong to Nintendo. Nothing can beat Monkey Ball.


Now one last comment. Mario has sold more copies than any other game on the planet. This includes Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. The game is very well loved, and Mario 64 is described as being the greatest game of all time by many respectable reviewers and magazines.

Conker's Bad Fur Day was one of the last games made for N64. It featured a squirrel who would lie, cheat, and steal his way through the game. You would swim in oceans of crap, piss on the other people in nightclubs, and give cows a severe case of diarrhea.

Now why did I mention these games? They are both excellent games, and respected by a lot of people, and the are both platform games. I can't see how you can call the genre kiddie.

 

[Syed Fawad]

Potentials. That's all u talk about. GC has potentials. Prove can only be obtained when we get the titles.

I gave the plateform point to GC, didn't I? Why r u renewing the 64 bit crap?

Mario has sold more copies. Sure. Because the kids also got the chance to play a game. Unlike FF where no kids were allowed. So sales increased. I still hate that Fat Plumber.

Twisted metal has attitude. I doubt that u have played it. It wasn't meant for kids to play. U gotta have guts and mental stamina to play it and win it. Unlike the Fat Plumber in a cart.

From all your comments, I can say this: You r in love with Mario.

You like Mario adventure games
You like SSBM cos it has Mario.
You like Mario Cart.

OKay about platform and adventure, I did gave the point to GC as I have no interest in it. Rayman? Sonic? Red Plumber? I just hate it.

Pikmin? HAH!

 

[Ninjaa]

Play Pikmin, then tell me HAH! But not before. It's a really good game, and my only gripe with it is that it is over way too fast. Nevertheless, I did finish the game 3 times, which is saying a lot since I rarely finish games these days.

I already said why I brought up all the platformer stuff though. I can't see how you can call the genre kiddie. I know that myself and a few of my friends really like the genre, and we are all adults. And I don't know about you, but my 7 year old nephew finished FF6, and loves all RPGs in general. I would hardly call Final Fantasy an adult only game. I played my first Final Fantasy when I was 9 years old. (that's when the first one came out).