[mudlord]

and the idea of rotting in jail should scare them enough.

It doesn't.

Explain why I'm wrong and why a real chance of landing in jail and ENOUGH jailtime would not deter people from piracy.

Ever heard of repeat offenders? Jail, to some people, is a nonissue. Thats why.

So having no idea if english is your first language is a personal insult? since you didn't get anything right, I thought you had a hard time figuring out what I stated.

No, I didn't have a hard time understanding what you said. I guess you could say I have severe problems articulating what I think. And no, its not because English is a second language. It is my first language, thank you very much.

And honestly, who would find having no idea if English is a first language of thiers a insult. A retard?

Keeping them locked up longer doesn't help solve the problem.

What the hell do you expect. The person is a warrior from God, telling all us pirates that we deserve to go to Hell. We need to give them some credit.

 

[Kazuya]

Get me some ale and I'll consider it.

Fact: Law is the legal truth. Law says theft and pirating are 2 different things.

Can you concede it now? Or is it too much to ask?



Damn, you really remind me of that religious preacher who once tried to engage in combat with me. Nobody has ever seen him after that
I'm off, I don't find any point in "discussing" with a single man who bounces ideas on and off without any result whatsoever:

What seems weird is I haven't presented any view as personal but AS LAW STATES IT and even then it's dismissed. So much for a person who tries to "follow the law".


You are not a lawyer. You DON'T KNOW what your 5 years of jail do to the average joe. You don't know the psyche of every "nasty criminal". They are not like the ones you try to picture, coldless without heart and with disregard of the law. WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE IT THEN SPEAK. I speak not what I think but what I experience. I'm a lawyer for God's sake. I have to interact with criminals ll the time. They are not with different set of minds of your average downloader... oh wait... dismissed

Some people may be wrong, but you particularly don't contribute with anything of value

Does everyone agree? Who says aye?

 

[ihateliberals]

Because the ja1ltimes just are getting ridiculous (how long till everyone is threatened with 10 years?). Something like 1, 2 years for grave offenses such as organised widesale commercial profiting around bootlegging sound already more credible, though incarceration itself would not redress any losses claimed anyway.

The longer the jailtime and the bigger the chance of actually going to jail, the more scared people would be of illegally sharing/downloading something therefore the less piracy we'd have. Personally I wouldn't care if it was 20 or even a lifetime for people who actually cash on it, but I think 5 years would teach the lesson to the average downloader.

Different degrees of damage, different punishments, but it should be no less than 5 years.

 

[Kazuya]

The longer the jailtime and the bigger the chance of actually going to jail, the more scared people would be of illegally sharing/downloading something therefore the less piracy we'd have. Personally I wouldn't care if it was 20 or even a lifetime for people who actually cash on it, but I think 5 years would teach the lesson to the average downloader.

Different degrees of damage, different punishments, but it should be no less than 5 years.

Sooo.. you are actually a legislator, have conducted studies regarding adaption of conduct according to punishment received or have a high degree in criminal psychology? Or you just think it will work?

 

[skoreanime]

The longer the jailtime and the bigger the chance of actually going to jail, the more scared people would be of illegally sharing/downloading something therefore the less piracy we'd have. Personally I wouldn't care if it was 20 or even a lifetime for people who actually cash on it, but I think 5 years would teach the lesson to the average downloader.

Different degrees of damage, different punishments, but it should be no less than 5 years.

:dot:

So piraters will be scared from a 5 year jail term? :lol: They look at that FBI warning every movie they download and are they scared of it?... No. You think the sum they mention would scare anybody, but it doesn't seem to be working now, eh?

 

[Kazuya]

Lol, it's like the Fbi warning in some arcade games. Lots and lots of downloads of arcade roms showing that Fbi warning everytime they play with MAME... talk about caring about it.

 

[jonc2006]

they know that kind of punishment is over kill and they know that the law itself knows its over kill and could never get something like that to stick when jails around they world are pretty filled up already with all kinds of exotic characters. they cant just throw pirates in jail for what they do when there is hardly any space in there to begin with and i doubt the public would choose locking up software pirates over locking up people who commit more serious crimes such as murder or rape. pirates dont care about the punishment becuase they know the law isnt going to go all out on them and waste time and resources on such petty crimes and even if it DID, the law would not stand up long without serious backlash from the public.

 

[ihateliberals]

Fact: Law is the legal truth. Law says theft and pirating are 2 different things.

Can you concede it now? Or is it too much to ask?

If that makes you happy...but don't forget the ale.

I don't find any point in "discussing" with a single man who bounces ideas on and off without any result whatsoever:

Neither do I

:dot:

So piraters will be scared from a 5 year jail term? :lol: They look at that FBI warning every movie they download and are they scared of it?... No. You think the sum they mention would scare anybody, but it doesn't seem to be working now, eh?

It's not working now because they don't truly bother enforcing the very weak anti-piracy laws that exist today, piracy remains in a grey area for the most part and the 5 year jailtime has not been implemented.

Sooo.. you are actually a legislator, have conducted studies regarding adaption of conduct according to punishment received or have a high degree in criminal psychology? Or you just think it will work?

None of the above, I've read plenty of history and I know what to expect.

It doesn't

Because they know it won't happen with the current laws, they plain and simple aren't scared at all.

Ever heard of repeat offenders? Jail, to some people, is a nonissue. Thats why

That doesn't answer absolutely anything. Read my previous posts, there you'll find the answer to why repeat offenders exist and what can be done about it.

No, I didn't have a hard time understanding what you said. I guess you could say I have severe problems articulating what I think. And no, its not because English is a second language. It is my first language, thank you very much.

And honestly, who would find having no idea if English is a first language of thiers a insult. A retard?

That's what you implied, but since you may have problems articulating what you think, no big deal

 

[Kazuya]

I know what to expect based not in an theoric way but by field experience. A book beats that?

Anyway, last question. Have you tried, while looking for a solution, to focus the efforts toward the origin of the crime instead of the punishment in order to reduce it?

As an example, in my country women are given courses and scholarships and information in general plus psychological aid. This is all focused to reduce the number of crime related to familiar violence. It includes all the range of crimes stipulated, from husbands not paying money to injuries, threatens and all kind of misconduct destined to damage the wife or the kids.

Since the adoption of this measures studies and statistics have shown a decrease in almost 20% of familiar related crimes. On the other hand, the punishment for theft was raised almost 10 years, making it 40 if it is the worst kind of theft. Statistics show an steady rate of thefts and has even increased in the last couple of years.

Could it be that it should be fought since the origin? Of couse companies would have to invest money and educate the consumer instead of making him hate them. They would also have to get up their lazy asses and start giving more quality content so the consumer feels it's right for them to give back after receiving such quality material.

 

[ihateliberals]

I know what to expect not in an empiric way but by field experience. A book beats that?

Absolutely. History books are thousands of documented experiences, and yours will never be as vast.

Heading back to work, get back to you later.

 

[skoreanime]

It's not working now because they don't truly bother enforcing the very weak anti-piracy laws that exist today, piracy remains in a grey area for the most part and the 5 year jailtime has not been implemented.

oO

You call a couple hundred thousand dollars fine weak? I don't know about you, but I'm scared ****less of giving up every possession I own. I bet if they truly started enforcing heavy fines like that, it'll be more effective then your precious 5 year sentences.

Jail is to remove problematic individuals from society. Murderers, rapists, auto thieves etc... Piracy doesn't match up to crimes like those. An easier way would be to just completely restrict their access to the internet. Saves our tax dollars and secludes them. Piraters aren't a threat to the people around them, so why lock them up?

 

[mudlord]

Piraters aren't a threat to the people around them

They are a threat to Bill Gates. With them, he can only afford a bronze statue of himself, not a diamond one.

 

[skoreanime]

:rotflmao:

Exactly. Jail is for criminals who create violence, harm and death. It'll be a waste of tax dollars and resources to jail a simple pirater (if that's even a word ). For massive pirates who do it for a living though...that's a different story.

 

[cottonvibes]

the government should focus on stopping real crime, instead of stopping "virtual crime."

pirating is all a money-issue, whats more important are that murderers, rapists, sex-offenders, serial-killers,... etc... are stopped.

 

[jonc2006]

:rotflmao:

Exactly. Jail is for criminals who create violence, harm and death. It'll be a waste of tax dollars and resources to jail a simple pirater (if that's even a word ). For massive pirates who do it for a living though...that's a different story.

and just about anyone can become a potential victim of crimes like that where on the other hand with piracy, its scope is much smaller and unlike violent crimes, it doesnt threaten peoples health and well-being.

 

[Linktothepast]

All previous speakers have spoken well, and everything you say ihateliberals sound childish at least, and your thought is rather close -minded and one sided. If what you proposed actually happened, half the UK residents you live in would have to go to jail (not to mention a large part of chinese people in China, so you would actually sent more than a billion people in prison ). As for the strictness of laws, here is a little thing called a draconian law, if you have heard about it and what happened:

Even before this outbreak, the nobles had agreed that somewhat more consideration must be shown to the common folk. The rulers decided that all the cruel laws they had passed whenever the impulse seized them should be arranged in a single plainly stated system; thus, at least, the nobles could no longer twist the laws as they willed; and a poor man might know what the law really was, and so avoid breaking it unconsciously. The man who was summoned thus to "codify" the laws was Draco. So severe were many of the old half-forgotten laws that when they were all thus clearly set forth, men were horrified at their severity. Death was made the penalty for every tiny crime, even the stealing of an apple from an orchard. Draco is said to have declared that the smallest crime deserved death, and that he knew of no severer penalty to attach to greater crimes. Of this grim code of laws men said that they were "written in blood," and the word "draconian" remains in use today as signifying a rule unflinchingly severe.

The laws of Draco did not quiet the tumults in Athens. The friends of Cylon continued to aid the common people, especially in their protests against the "accursed Alcmaeonidae." Supernatural portents were said to betoken the anger of the gods, and threatening ghosts appeared. Disasters overtook the Athenians in a war with the city of Megara. Finally, the Alcmaeonidae were banished in a body. Even the bones of their dead ancestors were exhumed and sent from the country with solemn formalities to avert the wrath of the gods. At the same time another lawmaker, Solon, was authorized to prepare a new set of laws relieving the misery of the poorer classes.

They didn't last long and people banished the ones that passed the laws and even threw the bones of their dead ancestors away from their city. Your thought is about 3000 years behind your time ihateliberals. Draconian laws are the definition of what extremely strict laws can bring, and not only did they fail, but they brought the wrath of the public they were supposed to serve. They might have even build the basis of democracy, due to the public's resentment toward such one sided and extreme acts according to some.

 

[Squall-Leonhart]

They are a threat to Bill Gates. With them, he can only afford a bronze statue of himself, not a diamond one.

He isn't that arrogant, he'd rather donate the statue to poor people.

 

[P_RePTiLe]

Maybe 5 years getting your **** ruined in jail would teach a valuable moral lesson to you and other scumbags contemplating the possibility of becoming thieves.

I'm sorry for the late quote, but is he proposing a crime here?, rape is illegal, even if it happens in a prison.
Or is it more about flaming, and cursing a certain group of people - than actually being fond of the laws you seem too feel so strongly about following?

 

[mudlord]

Maybe 5 years getting your **** ruined in jail would teach a valuable moral lesson to you and other scumbags contemplating the possibility of becoming thieves.

Enough with the virtuality fallacy already!

 

[Kazuya]

Whoever contemplates? Remember the movie Minority report?

You CAN'T punish somebody BEFORE committing the crime, you smartass