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I'm holding onto my current CPU for at least the next year and a half or two, which would mean I'll skip Core i7 completely. I bought this PC halfway through the Core 2's lifeteime, so since Intel goes to a new architecture every two years, I'll ride the next one out and pass it. It's not too hard. It'd almost be stupid to but new again, especially since I went from an E8400 to an E8600, which itself wasn't the smartest thing there is. I'll move to either Sandy Bridge or what AMD has out then, whoever is doing better at the time.
 
It reigns supreme? :lol:

If you have a decent dual core processor chances are you're more likely to be GPU bottlenecked, or you're having high enough FPS anyway. I'm not into the CPUs as much as I am into GPUs, but reading Skoreanime's reasoning which sounds much more sound than Tuanming's, not in the least given his reputation, I think getting an i7 right now isn't a smart thing to do.

I could only recommend it to people who at least want to have a motherboard and RAM that will be usable in the future as well, so who start from scratch with their system. Most of us here have either solid quad cores, or nicely overclocked Core 2 Duos. Seeing how 9 out of 10 times they have more than enough power to have proper FPS pushed out, if they are still CPU bound, I'd rather invest in getting a nice 24" monitor instead so shift back towards a GPU limitation again.

solid FPS > eye candy > extreme FPS (100+ for shooters/racers, 60+ for strategy)
 
I still think an overclocked Q9650 or QX9770 at 4.2-4.5 GHZ would Own the house...

It may not rule the world, but it is certainly more than enough......

What is you're doing that requires 8 threads?????

Bloomfield is starting to resemble Pentium 4 (Prescott I think...)
 
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Spyhop, you clearly need to work on your searching skill and need to go back to school if you can't tell the distinguish a site that is reputable. It your problem, not mine. Not all brains are create equal =)

You claimed I said the core i7 were expensive when all I said is it cost more.

You still haven't shown me anyone who's gotten low 30's on idle. Every i7 I know or read about has stock idle in the 50-60s at room temp. People have taken the i7s up to the 90s. Of course Intel has said that's all right...but it worries me to think it's ok to set the heat output on another level again, like the P4s. Like I said, show me anyone with a i7 that isn't hot.

Gaming performance? What I saw from your charts is that the core i7 does pump out more FPS....but it's pointless. You're telling me you can tell the difference between 100fps and 120fps? You're telling me that core i7 owners with probably excellent GPUs play at the low resolutions where the difference is at its largest?

No one on these boards have disputed the i7 results. Most of us here just see them as a failure because it's really not all that what Intel made it out to be. It doesn't justify the costs and upgrades from Yorkfields/Wolfdales.

Why haven't you got an i7 tuanming? You've been raving about these ever since they were announced yet you haven't jumped on the bandwagon. You've have your system for a few years now, and I know by your logic an upgrade is long overdue. You don't seem to be bothered with the costs, so what's stopping you?

Put your money where you mouth is. You look like a total hypocrite supporting a product you don't even have.
Core i7 cost more, okay...well duh! When you buy a Core i7 you'd need other hardware to run it. Tell me what are you gonna do with only a Core i7 processor, worship it? Therefore, "cost more" is equivalent to expensive in this case/scenario if you add up the total cost to run the processor. Seriously are you brain dead or something?

Here ya go noob, i7 920 - Core Temperature Differences - [H]ard|Forum Open your eye and take some notes and you might learn something new :rolleyes: =)

If people like you only see Core i 7 CPUs as gaming processor then clearly you guys are not seeing the whole picture. This proved that you and other alike lacks the understanding of advanced technology. What can I say? Noobs will be noob =)

I could care less about what people do with their pc on this forum, I'm to make a statement and prove that Core i7 is champ over those Yorkfields at gaming and other applications. But it seems like there are some people refuses to believe what lies ahead of them. But it's okay I don't expect brain dead, denial type, and technology illiterate people to understand =)
 
Alright Tuan. Dude, why is i7 not selling? Even though its cheaper then Core 2 in some cases? (the 920 is only 229.99 at microcenter)

Call it diminishing returns
 
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Obviously, Core i7 is relatively new and not to mention about the world financial crisis... Believe it or not Intel is actually one of the few companies that is doing well and they're planning on making new facilities! Maybe i should be a tech analyst =)
 
Moores law states that tech will shrink the size of components, not increase the size. A direct correlation is the G200 core from nvidia.
 
Core i7 cost more, okay...well duh! When you buy a Core i7 you'd need other hardware to run it. Tell me what are you gonna do with only a Core i7 processor, worship it? Therefore, "cost more" is equivalent to expensive in this case/scenario if you add up the total cost to run the processor. Seriously are you brain dead or something?

Here ya go noob, i7 920 - Core Temperature Differences - [H]ard|Forum Open your eye and take some notes and you might learn something new :rolleyes: =)

If people like you only see Core i 7 CPUs as gaming processor then clearly you guys are not seeing the whole picture. This proved that you and other alike lacks the understanding of advanced technology. What can I say? Noobs will be noob =)

I could care less about what people do with their pc on this forum, I'm to make a statement and prove that Core i7 is champ over those Yorkfields at gaming and other applications. But it seems like there are some people refuses to believe what lies ahead of them. But it's okay I don't expect brain dead, denial type, and technology illiterate people to understand =)
Everything always comes down to cost. Why waste the money to go i7 if you have a perfectly viable Yorkfield set up? That's the point I'm making and you don't seem to be getting. i7 definitely isn't worth the cost if you have a Yorkfield system.

And WTF. YOU started this topic as a comparison between games. Yes, the i7 does perform the best. I've already said that. No ones disputing or disputed on how much faster the i7 can do tasks better. But is it worth it? Shaving off a few more seconds/minutes of an encode? Pumping out a few more frames per sec in games at lower resolutions? Who would do that with an i7?...

The i7 aren't champs over the Yorkfield. They perform better at a cost. A cost many Yorkfield owners didn't dish out. You have doubts about the Yorkfield yourself. I don't see you owning one. And don't give me that excuse of "I'm waiting for the next gen chips". You've been drooling over Nehalem ever since it was announced.

You're lame responses by calling everyone noobs and insulting them shows you have nothing to argue. Your recent responses have been filled with nothing but jabs and insults and don't keep the topic at hand.

And ROTFL!!! Hard Forum?!!?! REALLY?!? You're linking from HARD FORUM?! HAHAHAHA! Who the hell trusts Hard Forum?!

Have you even read that thread yourself? Those 30s temps are right from a cool boot up. My quad can do 20c from a cool boot up. Want me to post a pic to prove it? The temps were in the 50s after running a stress test an hour. Who needs the reading comprehension?

And don't blame the economy for i7s failure in sales. It was out quite a bit before the whole recession scare even started. If it was as innovative as the Core 2s were, it would have sold like hotcakes like they did.

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Oh right, btw, that dude was using a Vigor Monsoon III. I would hardly call that fair.
 
The i7s are supposed to take a bit more beating in heat....according to Intel. That may be fine for people like tuanming, but technology enthusiasts are wary of it.

Why are they hotter? Quite a bit hotter in most cases. When on full load, their temps sky rocket. Idle doesn't seem too too bad, but it still doesn't change the fact of the matter.

CPUs should not be getting hotter and hotter. Are we all eventually going to have some sort of water/phase cooling in our systems just to deal with the heat ouput? This worries me and I'm glad AMDs stepped up and announced 45W quad cores for the future.

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GPUs are so hot nowadays they come with these massive coolers with copper heat pipes. Even then, most GPU owners get rid of their stock HSF because they're loud. Not extremely loud, but annoyingly loud. It's become quite the norm for higher end GPU owners to buy after market HSF. Are CPUs going to go this route too?...
 
Probably a burning inferno mixed in with the GPU :D

I'm hoping they don't screw up Sandybridge.

By the sounds of it so far, it won't be a screw up like the i7s were. Power efficiency is listed as one of its main points. Rumors are even flying around that it'll have a mobile line too. Unlike the i7s :rolleyes:
 
Remember when P4s were pumped into laptop before the Pentium-M came out?... I do. My brother had a laptop with one. It died after a year of general use. The CPU was burning so hot it basically melted the tiny fan cooling the system :rotflmao:

Another funny thing about the i7s were how Intel stopped gloating about them after a few months when they hit the shelves. They were going on about how it was the successor to the Core 2s. It was next generation and evolutionary. It wasn't.

Now they're saying Sandybridge is supposed to be the evolution step :lol: Eating their hearts out I guess.
 
Tuanming you are getting smothered by skore. Stop being so thick skulled.

Hardocp sold out years ago after the legal battle with Infinium over the Phantom console damaged them financially coupled with their lack of success with things like their former realtime price guide.

In the mean time they had undergone a number of debacles including the banning of long time member who post legit info about one of their sponsors, BFG's batch of defective 8800GT nvidia cards.

They have also been nvidia biased for years. Showing unique benchmark results for nvidia cards often times unreproducible by other hardware sites. One might even go as far to say presume their unique way of doing benchmarking could be a means to get away with positioning nvidia as continuously overall favorable to ati and debilitating readers from comparing their benchmarks to others and ascertaining that there is that bias.
 
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Everything always comes down to cost. Why waste the money to go i7 if you have a perfectly viable Yorkfield set up? That's the point I'm making and you don't seem to be getting. i7 definitely isn't worth the cost if you have a Yorkfield system.

And WTF. YOU started this topic as a comparison between games. Yes, the i7 does perform the best. I've already said that. No ones disputing or disputed on how much faster the i7 can do tasks better. But is it worth it? Shaving off a few more seconds/minutes of an encode? Pumping out a few more frames per sec in games at lower resolutions? Who would do that with an i7?...

The i7 aren't champs over the Yorkfield. They perform better at a cost. A cost many Yorkfield owners didn't dish out. You have doubts about the Yorkfield yourself. I don't see you owning one. And don't give me that excuse of "I'm waiting for the next gen chips". You've been drooling over Nehalem ever since it was announced.

You're lame responses by calling everyone noobs and insulting them shows you have nothing to argue. Your recent responses have been filled with nothing but jabs and insults and don't keep the topic at hand.

And ROTFL!!! Hard Forum?!!?! REALLY?!? You're linking from HARD FORUM?! HAHAHAHA! Who the hell trusts Hard Forum?!

Have you even read that thread yourself? Those 30s temps are right from a cool boot up. My quad can do 20c from a cool boot up. Want me to post a pic to prove it? The temps were in the 50s after running a stress test an hour. Who needs the reading comprehension?

And don't blame the economy for i7s failure in sales. It was out quite a bit before the whole recession scare even started. If it was as innovative as the Core 2s were, it would have sold like hotcakes like they did.

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Oh right, btw, that dude was using a Vigor Monsoon III. I would hardly call that fair.
No one is disputing? No one but you and a few other numskulls. Look at your arguments noob, contradiction much? I even highlighted for you since i know your reading comprehension is at a elementary school level, no need to thank me =). 1920x1200 is low res? Are you blind? Okay, now it's official: You're blind and brain dead.

Look at you, you barely have a viable argument to be begin with and keep reusing it over and over again. You're already lost since you participated in this thread. Keep it up cause it really shows how much of a noob you are and your lacks of understanding of what's really going on.

And who the hell trust you? The one with a quadcore that came in here because the title of the thread offended you? =) What a laugh!:lol: Yeah i know the truth hurts, especially if it's true =) Your kentfield is a nothing compared to the Core i7. I don't usually call people noob and other stuff unless they demonstrated that they've earned it and you have have clearly earned and deserved it. =)

Does it look like i care about you people in here that has a quadcore or yorkfield? It's your system not mine, do what you want with it. :rolleyes: I don't give a damn if you want to upgrade to a Core i7 or not, got it? Good. =)

Yeah to you the low 30's c is considered insanely hot for a Core i7. But hey i don't blame ya. Like i said before, not all brain are created equal.

Either you failed your economy class or you're just plain illiterate when it comes to financial business and stuff. Do you even know what's going on with the world financial crisis? People are losing jobs or getting layoff, while others are trying to save money by budgeting just to try to cope with it. Some people even lost home and their home value drop big time.

In the end Core i7 reigns supreme no matter what you say. You and your "those who have yorkfield bah bah bah" agrument... Seriously i would be embarrassing with ONLY that type of statement.
 
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