[tuanming]

This is just one of the many reputable articles out there that proves that Core i7 out do Core 2 Quads in many test and pc games just happen to be one of these tests.

Two Quad-Core CPUs vs. Two Fast Nvidia Graphics Cards (page 12) - X-bit labs

 

[makotech222]

When has a new generation CPU failed to outperform a previous gen cpu?

 

[tuanming]

Not that I know of but this is to prove/show to noobs and speculations around Core i7 performance when compared to Core 2 Quad.

 

[skoreanime]

:lol:

What we're saying is if you already have an overclocked Yorkfield, it isn't worth the money to upgrade to an i7. Why would I want to blow another few hundred dollars for an i7 system buy replacing the CPU, motherboard and possibly the RAM too? And only for a minimal increase?

That's the main reason why many Yorkfield owners stuck with their rigs.

Because it's just not worth the cost.

Still haven't gotten off your high horse, huh?

 

[makotech222]

Are you talking about me? i was actually thinking about selling mine on ebay, just cause i always like having the best computer and i like building pcs. but yeah, my yorkfield is more than enough.

 

[skoreanime]

No no, I was talking to tuanming

Plus, once your in game frames per second hits a certain mark, you won't be able to tell the difference. Wow, the i7 can pump out another ~50fps when people are already doing 100+fps on their Yorkfields. Can anybody tell the difference between 100fps and 150fps? Not bloody likely. And as people pump up their graphics for their PC games, it becomes more and more about the GPU then anything else.

 

[tuanming]

Looks like I've caught a fish. By the way, I don't ride horse, I ride with the wind.

Oh yeah? What about people who are still on a single or dualcore processor? People like the enthusiasts or professionals who wants the best or latest technology to do theirs work faster and smarter. You are naive if you think Nehalem or Core i7 is mainly target for people with Core 2 Quad that want to do an upgrade.

Guess you never thought of that huh?

Also I don't care whether or not you want to upgrade, I'm here to make a clear statement to people like you or people that tarnish a perfectly fine product with false accusations and rubbish/noobish comments.

 

[skoreanime]

False accusations? So you say it's worth the money to upgrade from a Yorkfield to a i7 just for gaming? If they're working professionally with PCs, they can afford the upgrade. Their business would probably cover for them.

But for the average joe and gamer already with a Yorkfield or Wolfdale...not worth it.

And I said nothing about older generation owners. People with systems like yours have every right and I even encourage to upgrade to the i7 system. But if they're on a Yorkfield or Wolfdale, I'll tell them to save their money.

And I'll say it again.

But for the average joe and gamer already with a Yorkfield or Wolfdale...not worth it.

 

[tuanming]

Nope, that was not my point when i talked about accusations, I was saying that people who once had a discussions about Core i7 in this section of the forums with their sh1ty, false, noobish, rubbish, comments.

 

[skoreanime]

Like what?

They're burning hot little suns like the P4's - True
They cost more because they need new motherboards and possibly RAM - True

What false accusations are you talking about? Most of us said they're not worth the upgrade from a Yorkfield/Wolfdale system. We never said they were worse then then those models in terms of performance.

 

[tuanming]

Not all people who buy a Core i7 system overclock, bear that in mind now. Are you new to the world of business? Every every new technology they always start out high. Now that both of your points are render void/useless.

I'm not gonna going much into this, but there are people in this forum who just love to say thing without even thinking first even if it was false or stupid claim/comment to be begin with =)

 

[skoreanime]

What the hell are you going on about now?

When did I mention overclocking? Core i7 at stock are insanely hot, even before overclocking. That's not a good design.

Second, when did I say Core i7 were expensive? I said they aren't worth the money if you've already got a Yorkfield/Wolfdale system. If I had a system like yours, I would go for the i7. Read my previous statements again please.

Stop confusing yourself and putting false statements inside your head. You're just confusing yourself and everyone else reading through this.

 

[tuanming]

Insanely hot huh? Man you are really something you know. I seen temperature in the low 30's celsius on idle with Core i7, stop your bs-ing noob. The average joe don't even look under the hood of their computer so why should they care about the temperature of the cpu when everything is working fine and dandy.

Also quadcore are known for their ability to sustain high level temperature at load so please reiterate yourself before posting. Temperatures are mainly affected by the ambient temperature and the cooler used

You can't have one without the other -_- so what you gonna buy a Core i7 without buying a motherboard and ram that support it? Have some common sense geez. No, YOU need to reread my post regarding that statement.

Second, when did I say Core i7 were expensive?

They cost more because they need new motherboards and possibly RAM - True

Every every new technology they always start out high.

Owned.

 

[ElijahTW]

tuanming, everyone but you realizes how much of a fool you're making out of yourself.

 

[skoreanime]

So saying cost more means they're expensive? You're an idiot. You still haven't proved I said they were expensive. Expensive is a relative term and it seems like you don't seem to understand.

Core i7s cost more. I'll keep saying it to you over and over again. I did not, in any of my posts here, say they were expensive. Reading comprehension ftw, eh?

Prove to me these lowly i7 temps. I have yet to see an enthusiast owner not complain about the amount of heat these are putting out, even not overclocked.

You definitely need to re read what I've posted.

i7's aren't worth it if you've already got a Yorkfield/Wolfdale system. That's all I said.

But then you decided to twist words around...again. You never learn. Like fanboys, I wasn't expecting much debate. Just jabs and only the positive points in your idolized products.

 

[tuanming]

Bigig, I bet you been waiting to say that huh? =) Typical bystander response.

Hey skoreanime look you have a fan behind ya. Uh huh, right man. Can't to continue to debate with me so you decided to go to something is barely related to the topic now huh? First of all i did not even mention the word "expensive" to be begin with.

Damn you really are a noob, you expect a high overclocked system to stay in the low 30's C? I feel like I'm talking to someone without a brain here...

Sure, Core i7 alone is not expensive but if you add up altogether the hardware that support the Core i7 then you do the total cost =) Reread my last post if you wanna insist to look that statement regarding expensive.

You know what funny most people that try to argue with me tend to lacks reading comprehension =)

 

[ElijahTW]

Damn you really are a noob, you expect a high overclocked system to stay in the low 30's C? I feel like I'm talking to someone without a brain here...

He was saying it's hot even when not overclocked, and then you said you said it's not, while providing no proof.


The way you're acting is just really immature and flamebait-ish.

 

[Spyhop]

This is just one of the many reputable articles out there that proves that Core i7 out do Core 2 Quads in many test and pc games just happen to be one of these tests.

Two Quad-Core CPUs vs. Two Fast Nvidia Graphics Cards (page 12) - X-bit labs

This chart disagrees with your chart:
Charts, benchmarks Desktop CPU Charts Q3/2008, Unreal Tournament 3 - 1680x1050

I would imagine Tom's is probably more true than your link. Those benchmarks seem a little ridiculous to me.

 

[skoreanime]

Bigig, I bet you been waiting to say that huh? =) Typical bystander response.

Hey skoreanime look you have a fan behind ya. Uh huh, right man. Can't to continue to debate with me so you decided to go to something is barely related to the topic now huh? First of all i did not even mention the word "expensive" to be begin with.

Damn you really are a noob, you expect a high overclocked system to stay in the low 30's C? I feel like I'm talking to someone without a brain here...

Sure, Core i7 alone is not expensive but if you add up altogether the hardware that support the Core i7 then you do the total cost =) Reread my last post if you wanna insist to look that statement regarding expensive.

You know what funny most people that try to argue with me tend to lacks reading comprehension =)

You implying I did by quoting me saying i7's cost more. And they do. Even just the CPU. And it doesn't change the fact that if you're upgrading to a i7, you're most likely replacing the motherboard too.

And you're the one who just threw out the low 30's comment. You have yet to prove it while all I have to do is just point to the Xtremesystems forums. There are too many topics on how hot the i7's are.

You're arguements go all awry because you keep twisting around statements and throwing out random jabber. I've been saying the same thing from the start.

Core i7's cost more. That's fact.

They are not worth the cost to upgrade to if you're on a Yorkfield/Wolfdale system.

They're much hotter then the Core 2 Quads. By your logic, you say because it's faster and more powerful it's all right for it to be hotter. Which means more power is being spent which is ridiculous. Technology is all about making things more efficient.


*Edit
What really pisses me off is how you went and made this thread to jab at the general posters of this forum section. Just because they disagreed with you and how they don't view the i7's the same way you do. Then you start throwing out comments like noob? Real classy man.

 

[Spyhop]

tuanming probably just hasn't been in the enthusiast game long enough to have gotten burned by new technology hype yet. He'll learn. Everyone does.