What do you mean, abuse the system? Bypassing all laws, uncapping reasons for suspicion and keeping laws vague or ideally hidden was damningly designed exactly for that purpose.

 

This is the american justice system in one image:

Seriously though that's one abusive law, but still not as bad as the one that they have the right to shoot anyone on sight being suspect of being a terrorist, even if its a pregnant woman...

 

shoot anyone on sight being suspect of being a terrorist, even if its a pregnant woman...

lol I had to laugh at this...it's so ridiculously bad, it's funny. It's like a joke (something from Biff's future timeline in Back to the Future 2 for example).

Question is, what would the public do if the authorities abused their power? I believe there's only so far you can push people before they snap, and if enough people feel like they're being abused, everyone will respond. Statistically they say it requires 6% of a population for an idea to spread to the masses. So for example, if 6% of citizens feel that they're having the piss ripped out of them, everyone will begin to think this way. And the authorities VS the entire nation is no fight. The government is there for the people, not the people there for the government.

Anyone else think so?

 

f this im moving to japan.

 

lol, Japan has a worse Juridical system. You won't be even recognized as an individual with human rights unless you're ethnically Japanese

 

^Knowing Aceloop he was just making a joke on someone else's expense with that remark :lol:.

The government is there for the people, not the people there for the government.

Anyone else think so?

That's how it should be but that notion has been lost long ago, i see that all around happening and no, i'm not just talking about America here. We need a new form of management imho, the current one is has clearly become outdated.

 

t. The government is there for the people, not the people there for the government.

You've gotta be kidding me. The government is there for the people? If I didn't know any better, I'd say they're looking out for number one. For them to care about their citizens is like expecting Sega to create another home console, there isn't a chance in Hell of it happening. Since when has a government of any country cared about its citizens?

 

You've gotta be kidding me. The government is there for the people? If I didn't know any better, I'd say they're looking out for number one. For them to care about their citizens is like expecting Sega to create another home console, there isn't a chance in Hell of it happening. Since when has a government of any country cared about its citizens?

Well if you think about it...imagine if the whole general population of the world just disappeared overnight, and only the people in government were left...what would it be? Would it work? I don't think so.

See my point? The people empower the government.

 

Become a cop, get free porn. Pretty women better watch out they'll get multiple strip searches.

What's next? They'll get to grope and fondle inmates?

Maybe even force themselves onto them?

 

Well if you think about it...imagine if the whole general population of the world just disappeared overnight, and only the people in government were left...what would it be? Would it work? I don't think so.

See my point? The people empower the government.

That still wouldn't make them any less corrupt than they already are. They think they can govern every aspect of our lives just because they have power. It's human nature to abuse power.

 

That still wouldn't make them any less corrupt than they already are. They think they can govern every aspect of our lives just because they have power. It's human nature to abuse power.

Remember, this is meant to keep America safe, to keep them terrorists from flying planes into buildings and such.

And its not like anyone ever said those who give up liberty for security deserve neither, and if someone did say it, it was probably some dead white guy and their opinion doesn't matter.

Caaaaaaaaaan you feel the sarcasm tonight!

Hopefully no drone will target me for my comments!

:evil:

 

I know it's to protect this nation and its citizens, but I feel that they go too far with these kinds of bills. If someone looks suspicious and they want to stop that person for questioning and a search, fine, but if citizens can prove their loyalty to this country and their good intentions, they shouldn't be detained for any reason.

It's bad enough companies want to invade the privacy and security of some employee's facebook account by asking for their password. If anything, I think it's a way for them to get that information so they can use it against you and put you on a blacklist.

 

I know it's to protect this nation and its citizens,

Paratech was being sarcastic there... the way he twisted "those who give up liberty for security deserve neither" by Benjamin Franklin made it painfully obvious .

 

I know, I realized that AFTER I posted, and frankly, I don't like what's happening to this country and its freedoms.

 

:spy: yup this is bad i wonder how many acronym's they have in this one.

 

It's human nature to abuse power.

I don't believe in human nature. I think people learn behavior from the world around them.

 

Question is, what would the public do if the authorities abused their power? I believe there's only so far you can push people before they snap, and if enough people feel like they're being abused, everyone will respond. Statistically they say it requires 6% of a population for an idea to spread to the masses. So for example, if 6% of citizens feel that they're having the piss ripped out of them, everyone will begin to think this way. And the authorities VS the entire nation is no fight. The government is there for the people, not the people there for the government.

Anyone else think so?

That's about my line of thinking right there.

lol, Japan has a worse Juridical system. You won't be even recognized as an individual with human rights unless you're ethnically Japanese

A lot of people don't understand this, and I'm not talking about Japan's justice or juridical system, but the idea that of "the grass is Greener". I know of someone who went to Europe and got a lot of public mistreatment and bad vibes and all, and that's Europe, probably one of the better other options. America sucks, but so does the rest of the world. Your life won't become Gold by changing your place in the material realm. It's a idea known as a "geographical cure". The answer is to fight the problems where they and you are. Sounds pretty "terrorist" of me to say, but it's what I believe. Any country's (not just America's) population will become a mindless mass about something when you tell them they are in danger by the bad guys, and there's actually a quote about that from someone, like a German from the World War II times (does anyone have it or know what I'm talking about?). Just goes to show you...

That still wouldn't make them any less corrupt than they already are. They think they can govern every aspect of our lives just because they have power. It's human nature to abuse power.

It's human nature to a degree, yes, but as someone else said, it's also because it's what we're "nurtured" with by living amongst it. It's a bit of both, nature and nurture. If you ideally just rid the world of everyone in the government, that corruption may be gone, but not for good. There's corruption in this world by it's and our nature.

 

A lot of people don't understand this, and I'm not talking about Japan's justice or juridical system, but the idea that of "the grass is Greener". I know of someone who went to Europe and got a lot of public mistreatment and bad vibes and all, and that's Europe, probably one of the better other options. America sucks, but so does the rest of the world. Your life won't become Gold by changing your place in the material realm. It's a idea known as a "geographical cure". The answer is to fight the problems where they and you are. Sounds pretty "terrorist" of me to say, but it's what I believe. Any country's (not just America's) population will become a mindless mass about something when you tell them they are in danger by the bad guys, and there's actually a quote about that from someone, like a German from the World War II times (does anyone have it or know what I'm talking about?). Just goes to show you...It's human nature to a degree, yes, but as someone else said, it's also because it's what we're "nurtured" with by living amongst it. It's a bit of both, nature and nurture. If you ideally just rid the world of everyone in the government, that corruption may be gone, but not for good. There's corruption in this world by it's and our nature.

I've been to several countries and I can tell you that almost anywhere I go, I see people looking at people of other cultures and comparing themselves with them; sometimes even admiring them. So this issue isn't limited to Americans.

Yet, wherever I went, I realise that every country has its issues, whether it be racial, economical, social...etc. There is no utopia on this planet. But the thing is some people are ignorant, disillusioned or a mix of both. And it doesn't help that the media has a solid grip on the masses - that's why you see people fearing terrorists more than cancer, road accidents, crime, et al. even though they account for death rates almost 100 times larger than that acclaimed by terrorists every year.