MKilbride is known to be a champion of entrapment on the PCSX2 board :lol:

But yeah, backseat moderation is a recurring pain.

 

I can imagine this would feel pretty bad to the new guy posting it

 

Do I recognize this ;p

now things have become a perpetual witch hunt to force others to admit to things like piracy

This used to be norm, back in the days.
- Dont ask.
- Dont tell.
- Dont trick into telling.

If "no piracy" is the rule number1, then by all means rule number 2 should rightfully be "be and remain courteous". The rest is more generally details and deeper elaborations about these 2.

 

your point is? Its gonna happen no matter what, no stopping it

 

your point is? Its gonna happen no matter what, no stopping it

Well obviously it will, just like any rule.

However I think the forum rules should reflect backseat moderation, and some kind of formal warning issued to those who are acting like staff, forming witch hunts.

There is really no need to force others into admitting to something, when no indication was made of it in the first place. Just as long as there is no mention of or obvious indication of piracy, there is no need for things like this to happen in the first place, the don't ask, don't tell policy comes to mind here.

Actions like this are really uncalled for, and while I think an outright infraction is a bit harsh, a formal PM with a warning about backseat moderation would suffice.

 

Backseat modding does absolutely nothing.
They have no effect on members, unless said members are not well accoustumed to regular internet forums.

Meh, just my view.

 

It's just people always jumping at each others' throats.
Who will make the most newcomers admit downloading... As if achieving that was any egoboosting.

It is never fun to see otherwise normal threads turn into insultfests.

 

Well it's not just that, it feels as if the place is starting to become really hostile, with members going after other members, mainly about piracy even if there is no clear indication of this taking place.

It should be in best interest to make new registrations/members feel welcome instead of outright accusing them at the drop of a hat, especially when they might not have done what they are being accused of.

 

Well it's not just that, it feels as if the place is starting to become really hostile, with members going after other members, mainly about piracy even if there is no clear indication of this taking place.

It should be in best interest to make new registrations/members feel welcome instead of outright accusing them at the drop of a hat, especially when they might not have done what they are being accused of.

Yeah, I agree.
Although now-a-days, it appears to be the same on any forum, newcomers are considered noobs, always.

._.

 

- don't step in yourself just to tell people out in unfriendly ways.
- simply report if it is extreme
- or just ignore it (hardly any really ignore these) if it is just something like a double-post, or spambot post.
- Those that have any reason to act will come and check, sooner or later.


Real backseat moderation (the only point of interest and relevance is that generally, agressivity is exteriorized, in a form that generally spares the backseaters from being reminded to remain courteous):

'don't type in caps!'
'dont doublepost'
'close this thread'
'ban this guy'

 

There is however the problem that occasionaly their issues are caused by their illegal activities as had they done things propperly and legally they would not occur. For instance people who used no$gba to run an english DS game but suddenly have it come up in spanish. Only one possible answer exists there, they downloaded someone elses firmware off the net which is set to spanish.
So the only answer to give would be one which makes it look like they are trying to trap the other person...or alternatively which looks like it's falsely accusing the other person.
Also for instance only a certain rom dumped by a certain group was displaying strange behaviour at various points...what exactly do you tell such a person? Other than in their minds falsely accusing them or going on a witchhunt?

 

It's not any difficult to get backtoughts about people.

That still doesnt make it right to not just point it out, but add insults and injuries as well.
Import stores, anyone? Just keep that assumption in mind, and dont stray from it.

Its easy to tell people off about rules all the times. It takes more to do the same without turning threads into either insultfests or humiliation parties.

 

Rikki, these are not problems which could have been caused by other factors, these are problems that purely pirates experience, no other option exists. And no other solution exists other than repirating a fixed version, or legally obtaining the real deal.

 

It really needs to stop, and warnings issued to those who are acting like a staff members, but aren't a staff member.

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Take this thread for example: http://forums.ngemu.com/pcsx2-official-forum/115499-all-those-auron-look-crash.html

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The main problem is not backseat moderation. Or a few. There are members here who do not have nothing else to do (and excuse me I cannot say anything else)than to find a way to argue with others people, meaby trying to prove to the whole forum they have a brain and they can detect noobs and piracy better than anyone else here.

That's what I see in the example you gave, Xtreme2damax. Thus helping people remains futile, as their primary target is to play the "I gonna have the last word" game.

Personnally , I think theses members should be simply banned. No more, no less. From my POV, They harm the community more than helping it to grow.

 

I think it is beyond NGEmu members scope to keep double thinking where do members get their ISO based on extrapolations on the most probable cause of a given problem. The no piracy rule is just there for NGEmu owners to avoid legal problems, and as such there is an official stand on say no to piracy here. However that is only for explicit piracy. Anything beyond that is jsut nitpicking and going beyond what is necessary.

 

I get X2DM's point, it's really annoying to see people who don't know **** about anything and start acting like they were superior or something.

Kind of unavoiadable though. =\

 

Take this thread for example: http://forums.ngemu.com/pcsx2-official-forum/115499-all-those-auron-look-crash.html

The member made no mention of pirating anything, even made mention he made a legal backup, yet those other two members decided to take it upon themselves and form a witch hunt, attempting to force him to admit to something that was never indicated in his first post, that he may of never done.

Actually if you read carefully that user did mention downloading the game, he was even encouraging using a downloaded copy to pass over a common issue because it worked over his own rip (this all in his first post), when the right way should have been to try to get his ISO working which other users have done. Even if it was for testing he did download the copy and use it to pass that point, only thing the post says is "hey if your rip doesnt work dont bother just download someone elses copy as I did ;D".

You should really pick a better example

 

i think a "no witch hunting" rule would be nice (not sure if there is one already)
but its not that big of a deal, since stuff like that always happens.

i also agree with what RedLion said, that some people have nothing better to do than to just argue with people online

 

Well, you can't really enforce a "be no jerk" rule, even though I'd be tempted to do that at times. And for the record, I personally don't like any form of backseat moderation; whether it be the annoying jerk types as mentioned in the thread or those who act like staff.

That being said, I think the issue is of a bigger scope. The forums are a miniature reflection of society. Whatever social trends/attitudes that get displayed in real life will eventually manifest here.

 

And for the record, I personally don't like any form of backseat moderation; whether it be the annoying jerk types as mentioned in the thread or those who act like staff.

Word. That ****'s annoying.

 

Hmm... It's a tough decision. Sometimes the so called "witch hunting" thingy is necessary.

There are cases where a user got a f**ked up warezed game somehow and complains why his "legally ripped game" doesn't work for him while it seems to work for other people or other emulators.

What are you supposed to reply after something like that?
Telling them to re-rip their games will make them re-download the game from the same site resulting in the same problem... or worse, if they try to warez rips of some Dreamcast games that were never ripped correctly the game will have the same problem even if the user gets it from 35435466768 different sites unless he actually rips it himself.

If someone warezed his game and you know from facts and experience that this is the cause of his problems (even if he claims to be legal) just go on and tell him so. You helped him out, you looked like the "bad and hostile" guy, too bad... end of story.

Backseat moderation in general is annoying however. You know that someone crossed the red line, just click on the post report button and be done with it instead of *****ing about illegal stuff or broken rules (along with a couple of other guys like you).

 

No offense but Rockmanforte is the worst person on every forum for this...

Seriously dude, stop telling people "ok" at the end of every sentence (like your the god of the forum and you have "spoken" and the member must bow before you and accept your righteous words of wisdom) and also stop telling members to "stop bugging people and emulator authors". If people are being bugged they are old enough to stand up for themselves and say it.

A guy posting on this forum asking how an emulator is progressing or why a game doesn't work on it, is not bugging the emulators author. The author doesn't have to read it does he.

Sorry for singling you out, it just really does my head in.

 

It's not a matter of whether they did or not, unless they explicitly admit to it, or it is obvious through a posted screen shot or other means, such actions are unnecessary and unprofessional, in an attempt to force them to admit their guilt.

Even legit users can make a faulty backup, instead of accusing them outright or tricking them into admitting something, you could for example tell them they need to re-rip the game and post a link to a guide on how to make a backup. Most of the time when this approach is used, the user will admit they don't have an original disc to make a backup with.

Once they finally admit to not having an original copy, then the proper actions can be taken, but it's best to just let staff deal with it, rather than other members jumping in on it.

Witch hunting is never necessary and can lead to other problems, there is no reason to lash out unless it is strikingly obvious, the user either admits outright or through a posted screen shot. It is never good to go on an assumption unless there is some kind of proof.

 

Well, you can't really enforce a "be no jerk" rule, even though I'd be tempted to do that at times. And for the record, I personally don't like any form of backseat moderation; whether it be the annoying jerk types as mentioned in the thread or those who act like staff.

That being said, I think the issue is of a bigger scope. The forums are a miniature reflection of society. Whatever social trends/attitudes that get displayed in real life will eventually manifest here.

xD!

Witchhunting, i do have a problem with, though i've no problems with senior members posting to a thread to tell people to get back on topic when its gone way off course.

 

One big reason why I've actually stopped going to the PCSX2 forum. Way too many "backseat moderators" there. I went there today after a few months hiatus in there and lo and behold, that one particular member still acts like a mod there and only there. Thank god for the ignore list, which I used for the first time today :lol: