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#41 ·
Interesting tidbit. Here's a review of FOTR by one of those wacky extreme Christian guys that goes around condemning everything because it supports Satanism - you know, the kind that says Harry Potter should be burned because it introduces children to the occult and believes everyone and their dog has it in for Christianity. It's an interesting read, if disgusting at times because HE'S SO GOD-DAMN BIGOTED. I quote:

Comparisons are not being drawn between the two movies under any other "religion" I am aware of, not the Muslim or Tao or Jewish faiths or any other faith, just the Christian faith which is under more attack than any other faith. Maybe the Christian faith is under attack [by the adversary though the unbelievers] because it is the "right one": the one faith that poses the greatest and maybe the only real threat to the adversary.
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Jeez. Someone needs a good ol' *****-slap back into reality. Even more hilarious is the fact that Tolkien was a devout Catholic and injected his work with a healthy dose of Christianity at certain points. Oh well, check it out.
 
#42 ·
Originally posted by Asfaloth
Do you really think you'll be able to hold out a year? You KNOW you want to find out what happens to Merry and Pippin. ;)
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Jeez, I ain't that obsessed :p
 
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#43 · (Edited)
Asfaloth: If you're talking about the same "review" I saw (heh, I just saw you aren't), he was specifically upset about HP's use of witchcraft, which supposedly violates some silly rule in the Bible about all sorcery is evil, defies the will of God, yadda yadda yadda, even when it's fiction. Have to love the extremist mindset. Sheesh, fiction is fiction.
 
#44 ·
Extremists are an essential part of society, if only because they're so easy to make fun of. Where would Jay Leno be without the extremists? :p Here are some of the problems the review had with FOTR:

Wanton Violence/Crime:

graphic injuries, including amputation and a beheading
explosive startle
monstrous "walking dead" being threats and attacks
graphic torture by demons
theft
attempted sword murders
sword threats
attempts to murder by sorcery
animal attacks
many dead and decaying bodies, repeatedly
multiple exceptionally graphic attacks by unholy beings, including by thousands of creeping beings with much impalement
graphic imagery of implement
crumbling cavern perils
falling death
fire demon attacks
arrow threats
orders to kill
long sequence of dire urgency with explosive sound
many graphic seething battle sequences
exceptionally brutal killing with multiple arrows, slowly
many battle deaths
a very graphic hand-to-hand combat sequence with a hideous demon
near death by drowning

Offense to God:

claim of immortality
thousands of demonic beings of various sort, some extremely graphic
many uses and portrayals of wizardry/sorcery
many threats by unholy things
multiple battles with sorcery using sorcery, some very, very graphic
many attacks by evil beings, some (especially one) very, very hideous
portrayal that being stabbed by an evil being's sword will make the victim evil
many instances of demonic faces/eyes
unholy control of the elements to fight evil
claims of immortality
ability to chose unholy mortality or immortality
many mystic voices
sorcery to open mountain wall
light by sorcery

... sheesh.
 
#47 ·
Their safest film: Mary Poppins.

Hmmm . . .

Waitaminit . . .

Didn't Poppins have magic? :confused:

Obssesive BATARDS!! :p
 
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#49 ·
Ha! They gave Disney's Tarzan a 66 outta 100! Jeez!

You don't wanna know what FF:TSW got :p

And fuggedabout South Park!
 
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#51 ·
Tarzan. Nothing but obsessive cruelty to animals. I mean killing harmless crocs for simply doing what comes naturally in their own environment. An enslaving chimps as mere pets. Greenpeace should have a field day on that one ;)
 
Discussion starter · #57 ·
Betamax, i was joking :D lol

here iz my review ;)

Oki, i finnaly saw it :) So here's my review on FOTR m8z...

********* About the Movie ilself **********

Well, i must say, Asfaloth my friend, you were right. This was indeed one of the greatest movies I ever saw, side by side with "Schindler's List" or "Artificial Inteligence". This movie, is near perfect :) A great set of actors, representing in the best way they could makes the book really come to life. There is NO flaw in the speciall effects and the music is truly amazing (i will tell my HO about it later).

I liked most of PJ's "creative liberties" like the "wand fight" between Saruman and Gandalf in Insengard (it was a good idea of what might have happened) or Merry & Pippin stealing one of Gandalf's rockets in the beggining of the movie. But some stuff could've remained the same. Like, at the Prancing Pony, Frodo trips on someone's foot whyle running to shut merry up and the ring comes to his finger when falling down. Well, in the book, Frodo drinks a tad too much and, in the middle of a song, the jumps over a table and screws up big time (breaks a lotta mugs). Then, in the ground, the ring comes to his finger. This is small stuff, really. The scene in the movie is not "bad made" (sorry, dunno the expression ;) ), but i think some small details like this could have remained as they were in the book not consuming more time in the movie.

Quote from the book: The ring scene at the Prancing Pony...

"They made Frodo have another drink, and then begin his song again, whyle many of them joined in; (...) It was now Frodo's turn to feel pleased with himself. He capered about on the table; and when he came a second time to "the cow jumped over the moon" he leaped in the air. Much too vigorously; for he came down, bang, into a tray full of mugs, and slipped, and rolled off the table with a crash, clatter and bump! The audience all opened their mouths wide for a laughter, and stopped short in gaping silence; for the singer dissapeared. He simply vanished, as if he had gone slap through the floor without leaving a hole. (...) Frodo felt a fool (...) How it came to be on his finger he could not tell. He could only suppose that he had been handling it in his pocket whyle he sang, and that somehow it had slipped on when he stuck out his hand with a jerk to save his fall."

(I ommited some stuff because i'm lazy, but this part explains what happened preety well).

Another great thing in the movie, is the world Frodo sees when he puts the ring on. Very convincing, and almost my idea of it :)
And there was one thing PJ added that scared the hell out of me. Not the way a terror movie or playing silent hill scares you, but it gives me the creeps when i think of it. In Rivendell, when Bilbo is giving frodo the mithril vest and he asks to see the ring. Frodo says no, and Bilbo throws his hand whyle his face aquires and orcish look. Damn creepy, damn genious of PJ to make that. It really gives an idea of how powerfull the ring is...

********* About the Characters **********

I would like to start with Galadriel and Arwën. These are very _very_ faithfull to the book. Galadriel has that "angel-look" that makes impossible for you to think of her as a girl (you know what i mean =P) and so does Arwën. Aragorn doesn't think so, but it's alright for him cause he is the heir to the throne of Gondor ;) Wich takes me to Aragorn. Another great intrepertation of the book, i really liked him. Same goes for Legolas and Gimli. The hobbits were really nice and short, and they must be, and merry and pippin fitted like gloves. Nothing to poin on Frodo and Sam either. Beseides the fellowship, i think the Matrix dude looked cool as Elrond :) In concluison, there could not be a better cast. :)

********* About the Special FX ***********

No possible flaw to point here! They are SIMPLY PERFECT! From the Orcs (especially the Uruk-hai), to mordor, the insengard forges, Moria (ESPECIALLY MORIA :) ) or the characters, everything is perfect :) Congrats weta workshop!

********* About the Music **********

/me hails to Howaard Shore. Great score! I found the music very fitting to almost all the scenes (fits hobbiton like a glove :) ) I only didn't like the joyfull music when the staircase breaks in Moria, in fact, I don't think it was fitting at all ;) The tracks by Enya kick ass too. I thought it was John Williams composing the score for this, but i jes bought the OST today and found that Howard Shore made one of the best scores ever :)

********* Other Stuff **********

Basicly,

IT
IS
GREAT!!!

Undoubtly one of the greatest movies I ever seen... From the Concil of Elron to the end I loved every bit of it (especially Moria) and there were only few parts i didn't enjoy. Well Asfaloth you were completely right, the movie DOES kick ass, and now has a very special place in my heart ( :D this sounds corny as hell). I would like to finish with a quote from Peter Jackson:

"The Lord of the Rings remains one of the greater books ever written. All I am offering is an interpretation, but hopefully one that will take the fantasy film to an entirely new level of advanturousness and believability"

Well Peter Jackson, you made it, congrats man, i love you :)

PS - Please forgive me the typos. It is 2pm, i am waiting for 2001 finishes ripping (86% yay!) and I'm sleepy as hell, but i had to write this. I probably forgot lots of stuff i wanted to say, and prolly will post it later when i remember :) plz take in note that i'm no movie critic (fellas that i dont like much (not u, i like e Betamax ;) ). I am just a Tolkien Freak who wants to tell his opinion to all da dudes one the boards ;) and this is just my opinion, don't change what you think just because of what you read.

Good night
Neojag
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#58 ·
Speaking of Howard Shore, I came across an interesting fact: "Howard Shore has to this date (sadly) never won an Academy Award (Oscar). He has not even been nominated for an Academy Award." I suspect at least one of those (hopefully both) will not remain the case for much longer.
 
#59 · (Edited)
Wooo... another long post by Neojag! I just saw it again today, and here are my revised thoughts on the movie.

*****WARNING: MOVIE AND BOOK SPOILERS AHEAD!*****



> Betamax, i was joking :D lol

I kinda thought so, but I didn't want to say anything just in case you weren't :rofl:

> but i think some small details like this could have remained as they were in the book not consuming more time in the movie.

Agreed. I liked the old Prancing Pony scene better, although the new one fits PJ's interpretation of Bree better. In the book, Bree is a noisy but cheery town, and the Prancing Pony is a merry little inn. But in the movie, Bree is dark and cruel, and the Pony is mean and dirty, kinda like the cantina in Star Wars: ANH. Two other scenes come to mind:
1) In the book, Bilbo is present at the Council of Elrond and offers to take the ring:
"Very well, very well, Master Elrond!" said Bilbo suddenly. "Say no more! It is plain enough what you are pointing at. Bilbo the silly hobbit started this affair, and Bilbo had better finish it, or himself. ... When ought I to start?" Boromir looked in surprise at Bilbo, but the laughter died on his lips when he saw that all the others regarded the old hobbit with grave respect. Only Gloin smiled, but his smile came from old memories.
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That's one of my favorite parts in that book, and it wouldn't have taken that long to do.
2) In the book, Gimli falls for Galadriel in Lothlorien. It's the beginning of the whole relationship between Legolas and Gimli, which is another one of my favorite parts. This scene is absent from the movie, although it's rumored that it will be on the DVD.

> They made Frodo have another drink

That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes in the movie: "It comes in pints? I'm getting one!" :D

> Another great thing in the movie, is the world Frodo sees when he puts the ring on.

Yeah, I thought that was very well done. I loved the bit where the camera zoomed up to Barad-Dur, and the eye was on top.

> Bilbo throws his hand whyle his face aquires and orcish look.

Reminded me of Large Marge in PeeWee's Big Adventure :D You're right, though, scared the bejeesus out of me. I think the idea was that he look like Gollum, though.

> Galadriel

I thought Galadriel was spot-on, although that scene where she resists the ring was a bit much. I didn't really like the rest of Lothlorien, though; it was a great-looking set, but it didn't have quite the feel it did in the book.

> Arwën

I gotta admit, I was expecting the worst with Liv Tyler, but she proved me wrong. Hearing her speak Quenya (or Sindarin, I forget) was worth it alone. Did you hear her say "Noro lim, Asfaloth?" ;)

> Aragorn

Again, very good, but I thought they handled his inheritance of the throne wrong. In the book, he was just laying low, biding his time, waiting for the right moment; but in the movie, he's afraid of screwing up if he tries to take the throne.

> Legolas and Gimli

Legolas... man, did he kick ass. He didn't say much in the movie, but he fought like crazy. The first time I saw, the audience cheered when he fired those three arrows rapid-fire at the end. Gimli I wasn't so impressed with, but he wasn't bad.

> The hobbits

Elijah Wood was awesome. Pippin and Merry, though, didn't do much besides muck it up for the rest of 'em and provide comic relief. Sam barely got any lines, but I'm sure that'll change in the next two.

> Elrond

"Welcome to Rivendell... Mr. Ander-I mean, Frodo Baggins." :D

> there could not be a better cast. :)

You didn't even mention Ian McKellen! The man's incredible! He has such control over his face... the slightest twitch of an eyebrow or cheek muscle means something. He had to be my favorite actor here.

> (SFX) No possible flaw to point here!

The second time I saw it, I specifically looked for flaws, and the only ones I found in the whole three hours were compositing problems in the Mines of Moria. Everything else, though, was flawless. The Balrog was even scarier the second time around... I'm still amazed at Gollum. It's so bloody lifelike!

> Great score!

No kidding! I bought the OST weeks before the movie came out, and I was not disappointed at all :) Enya r0x0rz!

> fits hobbiton like a glove

Ain't that the truth. If Shore doesn't win an Oscar, heads are gonna roll.

Like people have been saying, it gets better the second time around. You stop comparing it to the book and see it as a movie - and as a stand-alone movie, it does very well, unlike Harry Potter, which was supposedly incomprehensible to those that hadn't read the books, few though they are. Another thing: I saw this movie at noon... on a Wednesday... and the theater was crowded. What does that tell you about the popularity of this movie?

ALL HAIL PJ AND CO.!
 
Discussion starter · #60 ·
like i ph33ared, i 4got some things ;)

I also missed the Gimli + Galadriel Stuff

>That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes in the movie: "It comes in pints? I'm getting one!"

LMAO


> I gotta admit, I was expecting the worst with Liv Tyler, but she proved me wrong. Hearing her speak Quenya (or Sindarin, I forget) was worth it alone. Did you hear her say "Noro lim, Asfaloth?"

You dont like Liv Tyler :confused:

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> Pippin and Merry, though, didn't do much besides muck it up for the rest of 'em and provide comic relief.

Wich is their primary role in FOTR the book anyway ;)

>You didn't even mention Ian McKellen!

SHIT :| i did 4get him... did u know he is wearing a fake nose? :D

I am definetly seeing it again, and be sure to pre order my DVD copy as soon as it comes out :)
 
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