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Paratech said:
If there was a legit PS2 emulator that supported legal CD/DVDs of Playstation 2 games, it wouldn't hurt Sony, but the downloadable ROMs did hurt Nintendo...
No they didn't. There weren't many emulators for the n64 back then and roms were scarce too (especially since broadband wasn't everywhere like it is today, n64 roms are big compared to for example NESroms).
A proper PS2 emulator today would just make people download xy game and play it on the pc. It would most definetaly hurt Sony in some minimal way.
 
their reasoning behind the backwards-compatibility all the way back isnt that stupid...
I read that they noticed that when they started selling NES-Games for the GBA, they reached a lot of old gamers that just dont like where nowadays games are headed.
If by making older games available on the rev they manage to mobilize those gamers, maybe it would pay off to keep making 2D-stuff... Personally i think that was the biggest pluspoint of the GBA, good oldschool 2d-gaming...
 
industrian said:
Back in the day it was spending three hours to download Zelda (32MB zipped) on a 56k, to use it on an emulator that only worked properly with Voodoo cards and a 500mhz machine. And if I recall, back in 2000/2001 that was quite a high spec.

UltraHLE, ahhh, the memories of using it and a Glide Wrapper on my integrated Rage Pro. Awesome.

And to even imply that a free, fully functional emulator for the PS2 wouldn't hurt Sony is like saying that the X-Box made a profit from the X-Box.

I think the Revolution has a winner with the backwards compatibility. Simply because people can ***** to Nintendo about "x game not working" instead of coming here. ;)
Hmm, my dialup is capable of leeching up to 100 megs a night, I've been ablt to get 90+ meg roms if I let the computer download the file while I sleep, and my 750 was purchased in 2000 and it was hardly state of the art, and in 2001 my dad got me a 900mhz board while I was waiting for my 750 to be fixed. Heck I got a 333mhz in 1998, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't state of the art at that time...

i'm saying a PS2 emulator that required the original CD/DVDs wouldn't hurt Sony and Bleem! proved that when they won in Court, so did Connetix, which Sony purchased because they didn't want gamers using it...

I find it very interesting people justify Nintendo 64 piracy when this site doesn't support such things ...

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no one is justifying N64 piracy. industrian made kind of a *cough* dumb comment, but even that doesnt justify piracy at all. being an advocate for N64 emulation is not the same as being an advocate for piracy.
 
But when you say, why buy the game when I have it emulated it implies you got it for free and aren't willing to pay for a copy, and that seems to be the attitude from several members who've posted in this thread...
 
that's because you ASSUME that everyone who emulates N64 downloads their ROMs. what everyone is saying is that they don't want to buy games again. all the comments have been either that, or "we already have N64 emulation, so big deal." the important part there, though, is the AGAIN. a lot of people bought these N64 carts, and dumped them to their hard drive, and enjoy emulating them. i really, really do not want to rebuy all the games that i own (its only like 20 or 30, but still, that was quite a lot of money in the first place). no one (except industrian, like i said) has implied piracy. you are yet another ignorant emulation passerby who connects the word Emulation automatically with Piracy. is it easy? hell yeah it's easy. but emulation does not mean piracy.

i've been thinking about it, and although i know it will never happen, i'd love to see an N64 or SNES cart holder plugin. you know that magic wand plugin they've got? what if they sold an plugin to plug your N64 games into your Revolution? like, for example, it was a PS2 situation, where the Revolution contained the N64 inside of it. and you can "unlock" it by buying this special cartridge plugin. man, i would rock the hell out of that.
 
Well, they could even make things like that for a PC;
For the MSX, I have a cartridge reader for PC that connects via USB and it allows you to use the actual cartridges in an (official) emulator.
Knowing Nintendo though, they'll keep it strictly to their own platforms, IF they even do such a thing (which is unlikely because it's Nintendo - the only thing that's likely is something like a "DS Player" for Revolution).
 
Do you think these games will be released in one big package/disk (which would be awesome and worth rebuying) or should we be expecting to be buying these games seperately.

Hopefully its the former.
 
hushypushy said:
no one is justifying N64 piracy. industrian made kind of a *cough* dumb comment...
It might have been interpreted as justifying or endorcing piracy, but in fact I don't use N64 emulators (since the event mentioned, I was a lot younger then and curious) as I prefer the real deal. If I had the device that allowed the dumping of ROM images then I would get my ROMs that way IN THE SAME WAY that I produce ISOs for PSX GAMES I OWN and produce MP3s from CDS I OWN. I apologise if I've brought this thread into disripute with my previous post, just recalling my first and only time as a N64 emulation user.

I await to see the method of the backwards compatibility with the Revolution, but I'm guessing it will probably be linked to their online service.

Paratech said:
It wasn't state of the art at that time
To retort to your statements against me, I never said "state of the art" I said quite high spec. And as for the download speed I lived in a very rural area at the time. Another thing, are you addicted to using ellipsis?
 
Samor said:
Well, they could even make things like that for a PC;
For the MSX, I have a cartridge reader for PC that connects via USB and it allows you to use the actual cartridges in an (official) emulator.
Knowing Nintendo though, they'll keep it strictly to their own platforms, IF they even do such a thing (which is unlikely because it's Nintendo - the only thing that's likely is something like a "DS Player" for Revolution).
right, that's what i was thinking. if there's a GBA player for GC...why cant there be a N64 player for Revo? come on nintendo *nudge nudge*
Vanit said:
Do you think these games will be released in one big package/disk (which would be awesome and worth rebuying) or should we be expecting to be buying these games seperately.
from what i've gathered from magazine articles and such, they are going to go Xbox360 style, i.e., you hook up to the web and download the ROMs for a fee. you never actually get the physical game, just a download.
 
It's purely for downloads it seems.

512MB should be enough for ~32 N64 games (average size being 16MB), or 512 SNES games (average size 1MB). If space becomes an issue, Nintendo could release an external hard drive, but there is no info about this. It just means you'll have to only download games that you want to play if you want N64 games. SNES or lower won't be a problem as hundreds will fit on there.
 
hushypushy said:
that's because you ASSUME that everyone who emulates N64 downloads their ROMs. what everyone is saying is that they don't want to buy games again. all the comments have been either that, or "we already have N64 emulation, so big deal." the important part there, though, is the AGAIN. a lot of people bought these N64 carts, and dumped them to their hard drive, and enjoy emulating them. i really, really do not want to rebuy all the games that i own (its only like 20 or 30, but still, that was quite a lot of money in the first place). no one (except industrian, like i said) has implied piracy. you are yet another ignorant emulation passerby who connects the word Emulation automatically with Piracy. is it easy? hell yeah it's easy. but emulation does not mean piracy.

i've been thinking about it, and although i know it will never happen, i'd love to see an N64 or SNES cart holder plugin. you know that magic wand plugin they've got? what if they sold an plugin to plug your N64 games into your Revolution? like, for example, it was a PS2 situation, where the Revolution contained the N64 inside of it. and you can "unlock" it by buying this special cartridge plugin. man, i would rock the hell out of that.

I think you're missing the part where you need to STILL OWN the Original media in order to possess a backup. If you get rid of the media, whether it be throw out, sell, trade in, etc, the backup has to go along with it. If people own the original media, they'd be saying, Why repurchase a game, not, I'm playing it via emulation, why buy it...

N64 emulation is still far from perfect, and you're not going to convince me owners of the original media are playing a buggy version of their original carts....

I was pointing out that many members her boast about this site not tolerating illegal behavior while at the same time tolerating illegal behavior. If you own a cartridge, yes you have a right to a backup, but if you don't own/possess the cartridge your rights to the backed up data is null and void...

Posts in this thread, whining about the price of n64 cartridges, talking about how they aren't sold anymore, etc, just seem to be poor excuses for violating copyright laws that this site claims to stand against.

Now if this site wants to boast about how well it stays in supporting copyright laws, people shouldn't be saying that carts are too expensive or old enough that they can be warezed. I didn't set the standards, I'm saying if those standards exist they should be enforced. Do you not understand you can't cherry pick which parts of copyright laws you support?

It doesn't matter how overpriced, old, not sold as new, the cartridges are under copyright and if you don't own the original data, you are breaking copyright laws by possessing a backup if you don't own the cart...Atari 2600 carts are under copyright and will be for decades, let alone Nintendo 64 carts...

Now I don't support copyright laws but this site claims to be above the board and if it wants to be above the board it should tell people that complain about buying ROM images from Nintendo because of price and age that they are sending Nintendo the concept that emulation is about free games and not preserving games...
 
Um Samor, you know better. Anytime a user mentions downloading a ROM, regardless of age of the ROM, there's Hell to be paid, but here there are a number of gamers saying, I got free N64 emulation, why pay for emulation/old games... C'mon you're an old timer, you know better...
 
Some time ago, stating you had no PlayStation but also stating you were using an emulator (and thus, a bios) on this site didn't cause problems.... more recently this was kind of brought up as an issue (and one could wonder why).
Mentioning you downloaded a rom or DC ISO shouldn't (IMO) be much of a problem anyways; there is no other way to acquire them usually (for use in an emulator). With PS1 ISO's that different, so in that case it's easier to say it's illegal. But with double policies like that you're bound to run into problems. Easy solution: Don't mention you downloaded. NGEmu just has some rules, it's not the aim to be anal about it. There were others having problem with this policy.... hey, I don't always find it as easy.... but just try and do it perfect - there'll always be a point where one can say that the rules or general way the forum is moderated contradicts on some point. Especially when you're dealing with a gray area like emulation.

But I don't think this site should be (and is) all that strict. If it was, there would be no room for a chankast forum at all.

Aside from that, this site doesn't claim a lot of things. Moderators or members might do certain things, and that can change.... sometimes it goes a little out of hand, but that's not exclusive to this site - you should know ;)
 
Samor said:
Some time ago, stating you had no PlayStation but also stating you were using an emulator (and thus, a bios) on this site didn't cause problems.... more recently this was kind of brought up as an issue (and one could wonder why).
Mentioning you downloaded a rom or DC ISO shouldn't (IMO) be much of a problem anyways; there is no other way to acquire them usually (for use in an emulator). With PS1 ISO's that different, so in that case it's easier to say it's illegal. But with double policies like that you're bound to run into problems. Easy solution: Don't mention you downloaded. NGEmu just has some rules, it's not the aim to be anal about it. There were others having problem with this policy.... hey, I don't always find it as easy.... but just try and do it perfect - there'll always be a point where one can say that the rules or general way the forum is moderated contradicts on some point. Especially when you're dealing with a gray area like emulation.

But I don't think this site should be (and is) all that strict. If it was, there would be no room for a chankast forum at all.

Aside from that, this site doesn't claim a lot of things. Moderators or members might do certain things, and that can change.... sometimes it goes a little out of hand, but that's not exclusive to this site - you should know ;)

Um, Samor, you're thinking of someone else, from 1996 to present, I've owned a Playstation. I had one break, and then I replaced it, and now I have a Playstation 2 and Charline has the last working Playstation I owned...

I got hell for mentioning I had a bunch of 20 year old MAME ROMs, not asking for a website, no discussing a website, mearly mentioning I had some ROMs, so yeah I think it's weird that people justifying having N64 emulators/ROMs and complaining about the price of N64 games is ok, but discussing 20 year old MAME ROMs causes there to be a scene made....

Heck, I had 1 Dreamcast game bootlegged and I lost it. I haven't messed with any Dreamcast emulation and I don't know where you thought I didn't own a Playstation...I've dabbled in Playstation emulation, but primarily because I play more games on my PC than console...and when Sony stops supporting the Playstation, I'll still want to play the 70+ originals I own... I don't easile discard games, just because they're old doesn't mean I don't like them...
 
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