I've been thinking of making my own webpage and currently working on the layout... This is a first early version, I'd like to know your opinions 
Vanit -> you can get your own back now
Vanit -> you can get your own back now
Khelben
Thank you Well, maybe it does but there's still a lot to do here. And I've got still much to learn in PSP to which I currently switch from Paint Shop Pro. If you'd like I could make a layout for you too, Vanit - it'll be a good exercise for me
Well, maybe it does but there's still a lot to do here. And I've got still much to learn in PSP to which I currently switch from Paint Shop Pro. If you'd like I could make a layout for you too, Vanit - it'll be a good exercise for me 
IMO that middle bar looks weird when it is behind the two other objects. Otherwise only the outer glow bugs me, but its coming along well for a wip.
Yeah I agree with Reich about the left menu. Maybe get rid of the dropshadow there. For me personally I have never been a huge fan of using a ton of styles such as gradients, dropshadows, glow effects at the same time. It tends to make it look to bloated and takes away from the content of the page.
This also depends on the purpose of the site as well. If it is just a personal page then you should design it to your taste with the color scheme you like and the styles that fit you. If the site is for other purposes then it is best to make it for the visitors in mind.
This also depends on the purpose of the site as well. If it is just a personal page then you should design it to your taste with the color scheme you like and the styles that fit you. If the site is for other purposes then it is best to make it for the visitors in mind.
The new one definitely has a more consistant colour theme.
As for making me a layout I'd have to turn you down. I know you'd probably come up with a really good one but I couldn't live with the layout being made by someone else.
As for making me a layout I'd have to turn you down. I know you'd probably come up with a really good one but I couldn't live with the layout being made by someone else.
Yes, yes I know exactly what you mean Couldn't bare such burden as well
Jeez, PSP is so much different from Paint Shop Pro that I am really lost sometimes...
Couldn't bare such burden as well Jeez, PSP is so much different from Paint Shop Pro that I am really lost sometimes...
Changed conception a little :> Well, to be honest that design didn't fit my taste... I made a new one, so please tell me what do you think of it and what would you change/add/subtract? Kinda liked messing up with poly lasso tool
Generalplot -> I bare that in mind I'll tell you once its finished right away!
Generalplot -> I bare that in mind
I'll tell you once its finished right away!That's a bit too old school and boring for me, plus its nothing people haven't seen before. It just doesn't really pop out at me or hold my interest. The fonts are also a bit old school, you might try DaFont, probably the best free font website. You should also check out CSS Zen Garden or some other sites and get some inspiration, might help. The better you learn that paint program the better your designs will be, so keep at it
Thank you, zenogais. As I mentioned, I have just started learning PS, so there's still a long way from the things I create to the things I want to create (not everything what's in my head can I make in PS at the time...), sometimes I need inspiration too (totally skinned from ideas...). The other thing is that it's hard to create something new in webdesigning nowadays. Well, you know how it is, the beginning is always the worst. I'll be doing my best and of course a critic opinions such as yours are always valuable
ahh the colors are much better now , the shapes are ok for me, the left menu Fonts don´t seem to fit in though.
BTW: as keith said, if ur making a page for urself then doit because asking people in forums about it there will be ALWAYS someone who didn´t like this or that or this or...
I think thats why skins or custom schemes were invented ..
but if u like to change ur work twice a day , i havn´t said a word ^^
wbr Shin Gouki
BTW: as keith said, if ur making a page for urself then doit because asking people in forums about it there will be ALWAYS someone who didn´t like this or that or this or...
I think thats why skins or custom schemes were invented ..
but if u like to change ur work twice a day , i havn´t said a word ^^
wbr Shin Gouki
Thank you Shin Gouki. Yes, I find those fonts not fitting there too, but having 1000+ fonts on my HD it'll take some time to find the most fitting one I have already decided to use this layout on my page as its v1.0, but I am concerned about the details now. I'll work on this later. I am posting my works here to learn ppl's opinion on them and whether I have any chance to become a pro or not
Side note - there's a page which's design I like veeery much. Look here. I wish I could create something like this.
I have already decided to use this layout on my page as its v1.0, but I am concerned about the details now. I'll work on this later. I am posting my works here to learn ppl's opinion on them and whether I have any chance to become a pro or not Side note - there's a page which's design I like veeery much. Look here. I wish I could create something like this.
That website would work fine as a less-than-lightweight v1.0 personal site, but as far as professional quality I don't really think it is. It's probably fine for right now though, besides you can always revise it if you think of something you like better. My website has already gone through 4 revisions and is currently undergoing a fifth, it just takes a while to understand what works for your website and what doesn't.
@Hyuga
IMO u should not consider by people opinions here to become a designer pro or not , there are SEVERAL, IMPORTANT factors which should influence this descion but the opinions gatherd here I would not put in that context but its ur desicion.
I can say that from a VERY tiny bit of practical experience :
creative part is almost zero since u get drafts u HAVE to use from "designers" as a web developper u just get graphics and some content and pput it togehter with webtechnologys like: CSS, XHTML, javascript etc...
So in my opinion there are quite few web developpers which do the creative part AND the technical part of webprogramming. In the real world in a company these buisness are kept seperated. Thats my experience. So find out what u like more design or technical stuff.
@zenogais
revisions .. uhm right.. but IMO:
concerning the status of ur page ATM, i would say that the requirement <easy information access> is fullfilled but the <design> aspect is uhm... too simple.. imo ^^
BTW: the tutoriallinks are not working is that supposed to be this way?
wbr Shin Gouki
IMO u should not consider by people opinions here to become a designer pro or not , there are SEVERAL, IMPORTANT factors which should influence this descion but the opinions gatherd here I would not put in that context but its ur desicion.
I can say that from a VERY tiny bit of practical experience :
creative part is almost zero since u get drafts u HAVE to use from "designers" as a web developper u just get graphics and some content and pput it togehter with webtechnologys like: CSS, XHTML, javascript etc...
So in my opinion there are quite few web developpers which do the creative part AND the technical part of webprogramming. In the real world in a company these buisness are kept seperated. Thats my experience. So find out what u like more design or technical stuff.
@zenogais
revisions .. uhm right.. but IMO:
concerning the status of ur page ATM, i would say that the requirement <easy information access> is fullfilled but the <design> aspect is uhm... too simple.. imo ^^
BTW: the tutoriallinks are not working is that supposed to be this way?
wbr Shin Gouki
Shin_Gouki: yeh, I got that response alot about the design, that's why I'm redoing it and adding new features. Also in the real world, webdevelopers are mostly responsible for graphics and webpage scripting. It's not just about slapping graphics together its about coming up with consistent, decent-looking typography and color schemes both inside and outside the HTML/CSS code. At least that has been my experience thus far. The tutorial links are supposed to be that way, I didn't even finish that redesign before I started on another one lol. You can find them by going here
So in other words you advice me to learn html/css and such too, zenogais. I already know html, the other things I am going to learn a little bit later. I've got pretty much time you know, because I want to know all this when I finish my studies which'll take three years from now. I study network administration and such, but I prefer to be a webdeveloper anyway So I decided to learn webdeveloping myself (I also think about DTP). Too bad I started so late... I'm 25 now
I share your opinion that the layout suits for a personal site and definately not for a professional one, but that's the way it's supposed to be I want to make my personal Ayumi Hamasaki fan site as I mentioned earlier.
@Shin Gouki
People's opinions are always valuable for a developer regardless of their enchantment or criticism. Actually the latter ones are most valuable, at least for me. Of course I am not going to base on them whether there's a chance to becoma a pro, but they definately help me to make better designs
So I decided to learn webdeveloping myself (I also think about DTP). Too bad I started so late... I'm 25 now I share your opinion that the layout suits for a personal site and definately not for a professional one, but that's the way it's supposed to be
I want to make my personal Ayumi Hamasaki fan site as I mentioned earlier.@Shin Gouki
People's opinions are always valuable for a developer regardless of their enchantment or criticism. Actually the latter ones are most valuable, at least for me. Of course I am not going to base on them whether there's a chance to becoma a pro, but they definately help me to make better designs
I will not be able to run Ayu's site at the moment because I'm beginning to have very much work now... My holidays are almost over, I must go back to my work and school. I still want to learn webdesign as well as Japanese simultaneously so I must resign something. Instead I want to make my so-called 'portfolio' page where I'll be putting my works, tutorials and such. Here's a layout I made for it, I hope that it suits for such page. I like it Note that the quality is reduced due to the understandable reasons :>>>
Note that the quality is reduced due to the understandable reasons :>>>
@http://www.snecx.com/blog/ LOL look at his block
Those are some things i tried to mention before. this guy is studying design (so it seems to me) and there are some aspects which he doesn´t like about his studys.
The important thing is what he learns in his studys(important thing for webdesign):
The proportion of colors to eachother, The proportion of shapes to eachother and finally the proportion of shapes towards colors.
I think there don´t exist exact rules like:a rectangle looks good with blue.
Its more that the sense for a good composition (of shapes and colors) is trained.
But as u can see from his blog he is unhappy with his "other" subject which should train his creativity.. he didn´t like painting(non computer related) LOL
to sum up:
Although zenogais said something diffrent , i have to simply repeat myself:
I have worked for a company on a "Webdesign" Project and the work there is divided into diffrent steps.
The client request a Website, therefore the designers did create and modify a corporate design until the Client was satisfied. Then the work of the webprogrammers started( i was one of them).
Some of my duties were:
- We had to use the Layouts to create a userinterface
- create "optimized" access towards the database of the project
Webdesign in enterprise Environment is not accomplished by a sinlge person. Work is devided into topics and then assigned to the bureau in charge. A very roughly Classification: design and programming
(in reality those are even more fragmented)
So Hyuga if you really want to become a Pro i suggest u decide for a certain "main" topic.
Of course a pro a designer knows additionally about some Coding and the WEbprogrammer knows "some" Design aspects.But for a efficent workflow these tasks are devided onto diffrent persons or even diffrent bureaus.
Decide for a bureau which suits you!
wbr Shin Gouki
Those are some things i tried to mention before. this guy is studying design (so it seems to me) and there are some aspects which he doesn´t like about his studys.
The important thing is what he learns in his studys(important thing for webdesign):
The proportion of colors to eachother, The proportion of shapes to eachother and finally the proportion of shapes towards colors.
I think there don´t exist exact rules like:a rectangle looks good with blue.
Its more that the sense for a good composition (of shapes and colors) is trained.
But as u can see from his blog he is unhappy with his "other" subject which should train his creativity.. he didn´t like painting(non computer related) LOL
to sum up:
Although zenogais said something diffrent , i have to simply repeat myself:
I have worked for a company on a "Webdesign" Project and the work there is divided into diffrent steps.
The client request a Website, therefore the designers did create and modify a corporate design until the Client was satisfied. Then the work of the webprogrammers started( i was one of them).
Some of my duties were:
- We had to use the Layouts to create a userinterface
- create "optimized" access towards the database of the project
Webdesign in enterprise Environment is not accomplished by a sinlge person. Work is devided into topics and then assigned to the bureau in charge. A very roughly Classification: design and programming
(in reality those are even more fragmented)
So Hyuga if you really want to become a Pro i suggest u decide for a certain "main" topic.
Of course a pro a designer knows additionally about some Coding and the WEbprogrammer knows "some" Design aspects.But for a efficent workflow these tasks are devided onto diffrent persons or even diffrent bureaus.
Decide for a bureau which suits you!
wbr Shin Gouki
The guy has a point, I always say that if you want to learn something you've got to learn it yourself. Studies are mainly made for various documents and certificates. I myself have to make a certificate too and when I looked at programs of various graphics courses I only saw the basics of the basics... I do not comprehend it, how a person after such course is to make decent designs if s/he has only learnt what are layers, brushes, filters and so on? And where's the practise? It is also true that they usually teach things which could be taught in 3 days for 3 months. In one school I've been taught how to change fonts in Word for several weeks :>
I do not know how it is for real Shin Gouki, but is seems that each company has its own way of working on webdeveloping. I think that a designer is strict meaning of the word should at least know the basics of coding websites. That would allow him to realize how to make his design easier to code later. And vice versa of course.
I myself am interested more in designing rather than coding. Designing a webpage is the whole fun, but coding is rather boring IMO (I've coded many pages so I know what I speak of). I prefer living between layers than sitting among tags
Thanks for your opinion Shin Gouki!
I do not know how it is for real Shin Gouki, but is seems that each company has its own way of working on webdeveloping. I think that a designer is strict meaning of the word should at least know the basics of coding websites. That would allow him to realize how to make his design easier to code later. And vice versa of course.
I myself am interested more in designing rather than coding. Designing a webpage is the whole fun, but coding is rather boring IMO (I've coded many pages so I know what I speak of
). I prefer living between layers than sitting among tags Thanks for your opinion Shin Gouki!
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