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#41 · (Edited)
WindHydra said:
Actually, as Boltzmann said, the "moral" against having sex with other species (or close relative) is not really moral, but mostly "disgust." Most people naturally get disgusted because natural selection deselected those who don't
The gene for not getting disgusted might still be floating around somewhere
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I don't know about you, but my "disgust" ( or as Proto likes to say ; "Yuck factor" ) doesn't shape my morals. And I disgress, Morals is what define what's wrong and right for every one of us - something "digust/yuck factor/whatever.." doesn't do ( at least for me ).

As for Boltzmann's link to Tooby and Cosmides theory, I am still reading it. I got the impression he passed it as the "truth" though, heh.

Death Metal said:
Then I ask, out of curiosity... what led such young girl into having sex with animals from other species (and, telling from the article, more than once)? Does she not have those "basic built-in" morals you talk about? Does that automatically disqualify her as being human? :p
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Why do you think the judge ordered her to be inspected by a psychologist? I dunno if she's human or not, but something's definetly wrong with her ( and she's only 12 years old, yikes! ). :p

Death Metal said:
I do believe in "common sense", but I don't really believe in "common moral grounds" as that depends for a great part on what kind of environment you've been raised. Just as an example, if you're taught since you were very little that stealing food when you're hungry is alright, you're most likely to grow up stealing food on the thought that being hungry justifies the action -- and that will be part of your morals. Of course that is a very simplistic thought, but influences count a lot when forming your moral grounds.
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Yes and no. Certainly, the environment you grow in shapes your moral views as you grow up and learn about people's actions/ideas/ideals...etc. That is the reason why me and you, and the rest don't share common moral views on alot of things. We came from different backgrounds and experienced life from different angles.

However, when I spoke about "common moral grounds" I meant the basic ones you were born with, the ones which were not affected by your surroundings. What you get taught later on may support/destroy those morals. Thankfully, the religous impact in most parts of the world ( even though I disagree with select ideas from each religon ) enforced those moral grounds in one way or another.

Death Metal said:
If anything, one could say this girl does have at least some "basic" morals as you would say, yes. For one thing, she wasn't doing it in front of anyone like she didn't care; instead, she was hiding behind the house because she probably had in mind that having sex with her dog would have to be a private act, just like it would be with a "normal" boyfriend. IMO, that alone explains she has some minimal morals, if you know what I mean.
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Well, she's shy despite what she did....I guess :p
We don't know what affected her thoughts, but I'd speculate that some influence played role in making beastility look acceptable to her ( could be some sort of sick hentai for all I care >_> , who knows... ).

Death Metal said:
I'm not saying I'm for the things she did in any way, even because, as stated here before, animals are never able to consent such things, but on the other side I do defend her freedom of will as long as it doesn't interfere in anyone's (or "anything's," in case of animals :p) lives.
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To be honest, I generally don't give a damn about what people do as long as they don't hurt anyone - including themselves ( well, except for a few hopeless exceptions here and there...). That's how an ideal freedom should be IMO ;) ( and yes, an experience shapped up this self standard of mine...)

And Seta-san : What the heck does all that have to do with liberals? -_-

Yours,
-Elly
 
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#42 ·
She is 12 years old for god's sake. She doesn't fully understand what she is doing. She doesn't need a pshychiologist. She needs someone to tell her how it should be done :lol: And without religious limitations, just pure nature. at that age if something feels good there is nothing bad about it or so she must think. Just a little instruciton is all she needs. You all are thinking about her as a completely developed adult who knows what she does but she doesn't.

Another fact we should take into account is that she is not screwing the poor dog, something that happens when a man does it and it's disgusting. She just let's the dog do it and the dog is not forced at least that's what can be deduced from the article. The poblation of that town were the really bad people, hurting badly those poor dogs. Not that i'm saying she is not to blame but the ones who really hurted the dogs were the people not her.
 
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エッリー said:
Why do you think the judge ordered her to be inspected by a psychologist? I dunno if she's human or not, but something's definetly wrong with her ( and she's only 12 years old, yikes! ). :p
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To be frank, I don't think she needs psychologists to find the answer. It appears that the "weird" thing is that she doesn't have the feeling of disgust from such act, which merely is something that differs from one individual to another. Most of us (humans) would naturally feel disgusted from having sex with other animals/species, but some simply wouldn't for whatever reason (what with those people who practice other kinds of wierd sex as well, like scathology and stuff :p). In other words, apparently she was just rehersing a little early for her future bizarre pornographic career :p

エッリー said:
We don't know what affected her thoughts, but I'd speculate that some influence played role in making beastility look acceptable to her ( could be some sort of sick hentai for all I care >_> , who knows... ).
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Hmm, yeah, you probably hit the nail there.

Kazuya said:
She doesn't fully understand what she is doing.
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I'm not sure about other people, but I was pretty sure of my actions at the age of 12. Come on, that's the sixth grade! I know it appears that it was so confusing back then now that we're adults and all, but don't understimate teenagers -- specially today's teenagers. ;)
 
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#45 ·
Damn, i know i was already facked up at age 5... but it seems the rest is catching up to me :evil:

Anways, if the girl grew up not knowing it's not something that you shouldn't do as a human, how could she know it was wrong? At age 12, you think you know a lot already, but the world is still an unknown place. If she was comfortable that way, not knowing the way of her errors, it wasn't a bad thing to do.

If you were taught that sex with dogs was good, would this still be yuk? (not that she is thaught this, but to make it understandible).

Bottomline, each individual has his or her own reason for doing. But to judge people who don't know better, and deny them the knowledge, is truly sad.
 
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#46 ·
To be frank, I don't think she needs psychologists to find the answer. It appears that the "weird" thing is that she doesn't have the feeling of disgust from such act, which merely is something that differs from one individual to another. Most of us (humans) would naturally feel disgusted from having sex with other animals/species, but some simply wouldn't for whatever reason (what with those people who practice other kinds of wierd sex as well, like scathology and stuff ). In other words, apparently she was just rehersing a little early for her future bizarre pornographic career
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Naturally, without anything that would have altered your morals, everyone knows that bestiality is wrong. But there are things that go wrong in humans when they develop. That happening is called Perversion. (And not just sexual, but anything that makes one grow twisted from way which nature works)

The gene for not getting disgusted might still be floating around somewhere
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IIRC it has been proved lately that a unnatural ways, like homosexuality and bestiality, is clearly not in most cases a gene, but fully psychologic.
 
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#47 · (Edited)
エッリー said:
As for Boltzmann's link to Tooby and Cosmides theory, I am still reading it. I got the impression he passed it as the "truth" though, heh.
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Evolutionary psychology has wide empirical support, and it gives rise to a high ammount of consilience by induction.
That's pretty much the standard of truth for me (of course it's a lot more complicated once math comes in, but I think that only one or two people on these boards would understand my formal/mathematical definition of truth).

MaZa said:
IIRC it has been proved lately that a unnatural ways, like homosexuality and bestiality, is clearly not in most cases a gene, but fully psychologic.
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Where you got this from? Post-modern journals?
Although until now there's no clear "gay gene" (I don't even think such a thing exists), there's surely a biological basis for homossexuality, as the latest research has shown. You can even see sexual dimorphisms between heterossexual and homossexual brains. If this is not a biological basis then I don't know what it is.

Check out http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-10-13-4 , for instance.
 
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#48 ·
Where you got this from? Post-modern journals?
Although until now there's no clear "gay gene" (I don't even think such a thing exists), there's surely a biological basis for homossexuality, as the latest research has shown. You can even see sexual dismorphisms between heterossexual and homossexual brains. If this is not a biological basis then I don't know what it is.

Check out http://www.betterhumans.com/News/ne...ID=2004-10-13-4 , for instance.
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It was in some journal IIRC, i admit. But homosexual person can fully turn back to heterosexual and otherway around, though i dunno how it affects one's brains.
 
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#49 ·
Two years ago, another Limpopo man was jailed to 18 years for having sex with a goat in October 2002. He'd argued that he abstained from sex with humans because he was afraid of contracting HIV/AidsQUOTE]

ROFL a likely story.... :???:
As nasty and demented and utterly vile as this guy's "act" was, wouldn't you all agree that 18 years is a bit TOO HARSH I mean there are MURDERERS who serve lesser sentences than that..... :eyemove:
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#50 ·
MaZa said:
It was in some journal IIRC, i admit. But homosexual person can fully turn back to heterosexual and otherway around, though i dunno how it affects one's brains.
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This is more like a bissexual choosing one sexual preference over another.
All clinical evidence, from psychiatrists, since the 1940's show that there's no way to "treat" an homossexual in order to turn him into an heterossexual.

I put the quotation marks because I don't think there's anything to be treated to begin with.

Homossexuals are homossexuals, and you can see this from early infancy. I'll see if I can find the reference to a study where it's shown that toddlers who choose to play with dolls are more likely to be homossexuals. (And it's not the dolls that turn them gay, they choose the dolls because they're gay.)
 
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Boltzmann said:
Homossexuals are homossexuals, and you can see this from early infancy. I'll see if I can find the reference to a study where it's shown that toddlers who choose to play with dolls are more likely to be homossexuals. (And it's not the dolls that turn them gay, they choose the dolls because they're gay.)
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Persons like you freak me out, really....
 
#52 ·
I do not have acccess to this place at home anymore so I will not engage on an argument to which I can not reply with enough time (work does not allow for such things) therefore I will only rest my case with this work-made comic strip that is completely lacking of sense and purpose other than to amuse myself with how much I can do with 5 minutes of free time during work.

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Kaiser Sigma said:
I do not have acccess to this place at home anymore so I will not engage on an argument to which I can not reply with enough time (work does not allow for such things) therefore I will only rest my case with this work-made comic strip that is completely lacking of sense and purpose other than to amuse myself with how much I can do with 5 minutes of free time during work.
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*removed*

edit : blah, I mis-read something , n/m ..:laugh:

Yours,
-Elly
 
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hmmzz, now the funny is here. Where is that girl? i have good uses for people as that. I am teh pimp :evil:

I still believe ANYTHING can be found and sold on the internet :p and it's my job to do so :evil
 
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