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#22 ·
MaZa said:
You know, its quite wicked feeling when you have surround sound and hear bullet whistling just few inches away from your ear (in game of course). :thumb: Atmosphere rocks, and doom games (though technology was a limit back then) have been nothing else than great grim atmosphere and horror. Its quite scary, there is thousand imps and baron of hells surrounding you and you are running out of bullets. I remember myself yelling OH S***, THIS CANT BE HAPPENING. Aaaa memories...
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am i the only one who didn't find the original doom scary? I just don't think that's what ID was aiming for. Running out of bullets is one thing, as is picking up armor and having 50 imps warp in next to you. But this game is on a completely different level of frighten. It's less run and gun than doom 1 and 2, that's for sure.
 
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okay, hold on a second guys.

@physics: as far as i can remember, and that information came directly from the source, namely some id fella speaking in one of the many developer interviews, was uttering something about how the primarily shifted the focus towards visuals rather than physics and stuff.

Far cry comparing to HL2: Come on, now you are getting real low. HL and valve are masterminds when it comes to FPS and storyline. IMHO no other company has blended those two key elements ever so nicely and i hope HL2 will live up to that: BUT the HL2 engine is already pretty outdated when it hits the shelves this september. And don't give them credits for the physics as they are using the ubiquitous Havok 2 engine rather than some own as Far Cry does.

I AM NOT BASHING DOOM 3, I AM JUST CLAIMING THAT IT IS HYPED!!! Sure the sales will be going like mad, i mean filesharing is already insanely in progress right now for Doom 3. I just hope that those P2P fans also buy the game if they truly like it (and that i mean not just for doom 3 but for all kinds of games). But i don't think that is so much a problem, only perhaps for games which are especially targeted towards a tennie audience, but then again which game is so there is nothing to worry about i guess.

Whoever claims that the Doom3 engine is superior to the Far Cry engine is totally mislead. But i will agree that a comperison between those two is indeed a bit of a far cry. Doom3 for instance constantly makes use of per pixel lightning techniques, and as far as i know doesn't even rely on shadow mapping anymore. Far cry uses all kinds of lighnting in a way that delivers the best visual experience in indoor as well as looking at thousands of square kilometer wide areas.

@"...move on". i am not trying doom3 out, and i am not complaining about it or bashing it in any way and i indeed know beforehand that this game is nothing for me.

@N1ghtw0lf: Yay but that is the point. Other companies are much larger and make much more notable games, although because of the often lack of proper PR the attention they should get is missing. ID is a very small company, as they admitted on one of their dev-interviews, and i wonder how they even managed to pull of such a PR-avalanche.

@fivefee5. Sure i apologize for that. I have just read the interviews. But one thing was always clear about Doom3. It won't be about story. And i think this should be the key element of any game along with all kinds of elements that deliver immersiveness (gra,phy,...)

@hush..: sure fun is alright, and is the way it should be. But this topic is just about the hype nothing more. Or better said the UNPROPORTIONAL hype.
BTW: nah my machine is quite alright. Radeon 9800pro, 2.8Amd 32bit,
oh my god, i can't believe john said that. Okay if he really said that then i just don't fancy him anymore. Story should be the key-element to begin with.
BUT: each his own, right!

@Zer0soul: Guess you will be disappointed then. Just make sure u check out the reviews first, as there is practically no story. BTW: Silent hill a master in every way, as is the whole franchise.

@ChaoesBlade: The reviewer played at one level under ultra (req: 512megs of Vram). Well i aint complaining about the game or graphics. But speaking of which, the graphics just doesn't feature anything fundamentially new. Fra cry did at least with their vast terrain render capabilities and perfect blend of lightning techs.

l3illyl3ob: I never said that far cry isn't outdated. You might wanna take a look at Unreal3 where we are heading, although even parts of that are outdated. But this is what graphics engines are all about for the game market, finding a scalable and utmost flexible way that also allows players with mediocre HW to gain a nice experience. The real bleeding edge of graphics engine is only visible to one if you read game-developer magazines. Then again there is of course no real engine that makes use of the latest techniques in graphics (especially due to licensing this ain't possible).
BTW: there is no real story, or can you really connect so much to a few scattered text messages whilst in the next second you blast one critter after another off your screen. But allegedly there are a few funny things in it such as a spam mars monster, .

Dont mind the typos, spelling, whatever. I am really tired of reading through it again and just wanna go to be after i wrote this little rant. So hope nobody took anything personal in here.

@nighwolf: aye i plaxed COD and it really stunned me how much story and feeling can be delivered even with such a over-the-top-crappy graphics experience. COD was simply stunning.

Sound in general shall be awesome in Doom3; per se even IDs developers mentioned it in the highest possible terms. But that won't be an argument that will convince my crappy stereo speakers.

And at last as i saw how different everyones point of focus is: Mine are
GRAPHICS +++++
STORY +++++
MUSIC +++++
SOUND and all the rest: +
 
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MrTeamWork said:
Clearly this joker is trying to stir up flames, and he should be punished for this. Doom 3 is impressive, and if it can't run on your celeron well then it's too bad. :angry:
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You should get a bit more open-minded and see things from another perspective rather than resorting to infantile methods like claiming everyone which doesn't match you kind of interests is a joker, outsider or whatever you name it.
The specs of my system aren't really a problem, but then again you knew that beforehand as i deem you clever enough that you would have know that i wouldn't have posted this utterances of mine in here in the first place. Anyways a bit of provocation doesn't automatically do harm but can even improve a discussion as long as it isn't overdone.

So i guess if you can't understand that there are people who fancy something and people who do not but rather dislike it, then you will have severe troubles understanding anything this world is about, because if you haven't noticed our whole system, our whole thinking is based upon antagonisms. (see, this is slightly provocative and should compell you to revise your last statment)
 
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slicky said:
l3illyl3ob: I never said that far cry isn't outdated. You might wanna take a look at Unreal3 where we are heading, although even parts of that are outdated. But this is what graphics engines are all about for the game market, finding a scalable and utmost flexible way that also allows players with mediocre HW to gain a nice experience. The real bleeding edge of graphics engine is only visible to one if you read game-developer magazines. Then again there is of course no real engine that makes use of the latest techniques in graphics (especially due to licensing this ain't possible).
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but, you did say doom 3's graphics engine is already outdated, which is completely ludicrous. Really. Play the game. See for yourself, it's beyond anything available to the public today.
slicky said:
GRAPHICS +++++
STORY +++++
MUSIC +++++
SOUND and all the rest: +
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so gameplay is only one + compared to the 5 +'s of graphics story and music? Man, somebody really doesn't like to have fun with his games. Watch a movie if you want a realistic looking 'something' with a good plot.
 
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How come sound only got one + anyway. Well made 5.1 audio can turn a game into a more immersive experience
 
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I'm sorry slicky but I just can't agree with you. I mean you haven't even played the game yet you're comparing it and bashing it. That by itself is enough to discredit anything you say. Plus I personally didn't think Far Cry was all that great. The water and sky looked nice, but the rest of the game was pretty standard. Plus I found the textures looked a bit too colorful, the dialogue and effects a bit too comical, and the scenery too stale (trees and plants didn't move at all). The gameplay was also hackneyed and repetitive (I might have enjoyed the game more if I was a younger, more inexperienced gamer). I dunno, maybe I've played too many FPSes to really appreciate it.

However, I agree that the game is overhyped. Gamers everywhere are talking about it like it's the best thing since Wolfenstein 3D and it's not even out yet. The fact that it's made by Id Software and programmed by John Carmack only fuels the hype. I think we should all just wait until the game's released before criticizing or praising the game.

John Carmack said:
"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie; it’s expected to be there, but it’s not that important."
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I don't agree here. I think a good story can make or break a game. Games like No One Lives Forever 2, FreeSpace 2, and Max Payne 2 (as well as most console RPGs) are among my all-time favorite games because they all had a compelling story with interesting characters and character interactions. Of course gameplay matters a lot as well (it's actually what's most important to me) but a good story will do a lot to define whether it's an epic title or just a run-of-the-mill shooter.

Plus, I want a good story in a pr0n movie;).
 
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i hate the story in porn, i skip through it :p

now, i agree with carmack wholeheartedly and ONLY because i know what his job is. if someone working at Squaresoft said that i'd kick em in the nuts!

i shall explain. i loved the stories of games like FFVII, Chrono Cross, MGS, even Parasite Eve i thought had a good story. the story was integral to the actual gameplay.

but let's look at some of my other favorite games. Stuntman, Driver, GTA, Halo, syphon filter, all the TMNT games, the MARIO games. look at the stories in those games. i've never ever watched a cutscene in halo. i dont give a rat's ass about the princess in mario. i dont care about the whole story of Driver/GTA. i dont even know teh story of the TMNT videogames. but yet i still love em. for games like that, the story has to be there to keep a flow...but honestly i dont care about it at all.

but a good story will do a lot to define whether it's an epic title or just a run-of-the-mill shooter.
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halo is my favorite fps EVER, but i dont even know the story. it's the action that defines action games, remember ;)
 
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hushypushy said:
halo is my favorite fps EVER, but i dont even know the story. it's the action that defines action games, remember ;)
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Well if you play it purely for action. I play UT 2003 for the same reason (pure action). Still, games like Max Payne 1/2 would mean little without good plot and the character interactions and acting really made NOLF2 shine. The Director and his talks with his mother were funny as hell and I especially loved the audio diary of Tom Goodman;). It's little things like that that can make a game that much more enjoyable, and it's what I believe made NOLF2 such a fantastic game.
 
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no one thing defines a great game, its all of the elements stringed together to make a truly memorable experience. As for games like the Unreal Tournament games and such that don't have a story is why developers spend time making the gameplay fluent and rememorable and make you want to come back. it just depends on the type of game, a game doesn't particularly NEED a story but if it doesn't i expect very fluent and great gameplay. And if there is a story i hope for it to drive the gameplay and make me want to keep playing also.
 
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but a good story will do a lot to define whether it's an epic title or just a run-of-the-mill shooter.
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odd.. I found painkiller to be a most enjoyable game. It's another fps in a crowded market, yet it had innovative physics and engine. It barely had a story. (It did, but none of it really was coherent.) Yes, it sold very well and many people call it one of the best games of this year.

Epic games do not always mean good games. What makes another dry shooter is lack of innovation in gameplay or style. Not the story.
 
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Why should not Doom 3 be hyped? Everyone has waited so long for it and now that it is almost here, of course hype it as a celebration that the wait is almost over. Also slicky do you realize what significance the Doom games have? Without Doom (the original) and Wolfenstien 3D there might not be any FPS games at all. These two were the Granddaddies of the FPS genre. So I would say that Doom 3 is deserving of the hype that it is getting right now and as to wether or not it continues to be deserving, only time will tell after people have bought, played , and enjoyed it or not as the case may be.
sx/amiga
 
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