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Which console is the best all around?

  • PS2

    Votes: 68 60%
  • GameCube

    Votes: 33 29%
  • Xbox

    Votes: 12 11%
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Originally posted by Carnage
Kaiser,if people think you are difficult or whatever,thats their problem,you are who you are,no matter how much they keep offending you,and I hope that they will realise that,so would you now all get back on the ****ing topic,and il search for some info of a new BG;) But I'm pritty sure there will be a next one
Um, JOOC, why are you jumping in and picking sides Carnage? He's been offending me probably as much as I've been offending him, so I don't really see what business you have posting this...

- Exo
 
Anyway. Kaiser said that there were a lot of US RPGs for GCN but didn't list them. The two you listed were BG and PSO, neither are GCN exclusive (which until now I assumed we were dealing with) and neither are classic console RPGs (which I also assumed we were dealing with because otherwise XBox deserves far more points than it's getting).

I'm still staying by my last numbers, GCN .8, PS2 2.2, but if you throw in PC style RPGs we've got something else on our hands.

If you really want to research fairly, you have to look at both sides evenly. I've only been looking at NEUTRAL sites which have lists for both consoles.

- Exo

EDIT: Stuff.
 
I said there were upcoming titles, if I say there were a lot of titles out there already, then my mistake, I witdraw it... therefore that's why I dropped to saying that it deserves a 1.
PSO is not an exclusive title, yes, but still hasn't been released on the XBOX so for now IT'S exclusive to the GC. Splinter Cell will be released for the rest of the systems but for now it's XBOX exclusive
BG Dark Alliance (a port of the PS2 game) ISN'T like the PC BG... though I grant you that it isn't a conventional Console RPG... in that case, I suppose you don't count it for the PS2, as the game is the same... since Syed counted the next BG for the PS2 I don't see why I can't count this one.

RPG already out for the GC ?
* Evolution Worlds... I dunno if it's a good or bad game, I hated the first one and I liked the second one (both for the DC). This one features both chapters, if they fixed some of the mistakes that the game had it won't be the greatest of RPGs but it won't be the worst one either...
* PSO episode I&II, I've said it above, it'll be out for the XBOX but still isn't. Good dungeon Crawler type RPG, not the best, but good enough.
* Animal Crossing : I dunno about the game, it looked awful to me, but a look can deceive. I don't think it's a RPG but most sites put it in that category.
* Lost Kingdoms.
* Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance.

Out of the "already out" titles, only 2 are new ones, I grant you that, but still they are RPGs. They'll keep the RPG gamers entertained a bit since the strong RPGs come out.

Upcoming ones :
* FF CC.
* The new 'Tales' game.
* Rune II.
* Skies of Arcadia Legends (yeah, a port, but since a lot of ppl didn't play the original one, it's not a total waste... though a port in the end...).
* Summoner: The Prophecy.
* Dungeon & Dragons Heroes.
* Lost Kingdoms II.
* Gold Star Mountain.

There are some upcoming ones, though I can't say wether they are good or not... time will tell...

> (...) (which I also assumed we were dealing with because otherwise XBox deserves far more points than it's getting).

That's another issue, the concept of RPG has expanded a lot since the times of FF and CT on the Snes. IMO the XBOX also deserves a bit more than 0... I can't recall any RPGs for it other than (the upcoming) PSO and (the released) Shenmue IIx... Shenmue's style is debatable but wheter we like it or not it's the closest thing to a RPG in some aspects...

> I'm still staying by my last numbers, GCN .8, PS2 2.2, but if you throw in PC style RPGs we've got something else on our hands.

PC style's RPG ? As I said BG:DA is nowhere close to the ones on PC... yet, is different... but as far as I think, I'm pretty sure that Syed counted that for the score of the PS2, as he did on a thread long ago...
IMO the PS2 deserves the 3, for now. It's clearly the machine with the most and better RPGs... I don't see why give it a 2.2, since I can't recall a flaw on its RPGs lineup...

Anyway, Carnage sorry for straying of the topic... sometimes it can't be helped... as for the new BG, don't worry, I'll look about it when I have the time... thanks anyway.

My last off topic thing for the rest of the day (I promise) :

> (...) He's been offending me probably as much as I've been offending him, so I don't really see what business you have posting this...

Examples of me offending you on this thread ? So far the only harsh thing that I can recall is saying that your behavior sometimes sucks, but that was in response to you calling me "difficult"...
 
Erm.. Kaiser, I think I see something I didn't see before and explaining this will clear things up a lot I think. See, the way the scoring system works isn't that each console gets a 0-3 rating ranking them, but rather they share 3 points. It's basically saying how the titles are distributed among the 3 systems. That's why Syed thought it was crazy for you to give GCN a 1.5 or 2 for RPGs because that'd also mean 1.5 or 1 for RPGs for PS2 (assuming XBox remains at 0). Also it means if you give PS2 a 3 the rest must have 0. I hope this clears some stuff up....

- Exo
 
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Okay, here's a more or less complete list of announced games. I have misgivings about posting this however, as Nintendo has got to be the most secretive corporation ever, and has a tendency to hide their games for much of their development life. For example, Nintendo has 2 2nd parties that we know are making GameCube RPGs, but no names have been given. (Speculation is currently Golden Sun GCN and Pokemon GCN).

Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II
Evolution Worlds
Lost Kingdoms
Lost Kingdoms II
Skies of Arcadia Legends
Giftpia
Summoner: The Prophecy
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Tales of Phantasia GCN
Virtua Fighter Quest
Gold Star Mountain
Times of Trouble
Dokapon DX
 
> I guess it depends how you look at it. Giving them all a 0-3 rating I would give PS2 a 3, GCN a 1.5, and XBox a 1. Would you agree?

Don't misunderstand me, I think it's unfair because we are analyzing quantity... since when quantity matters ? XBOX doesn't feature much RPGs... suppose that tomorrow they launch 20 new RPGs they are all crap but according to this system the XBOX will get a 3.
IMO it's stupid, what matters is quality... but maybe it's just me...
As for your score, I'd say that a 1 for the GC is more than perfect...
 
Discussion starter · #1,251 ·
Originally posted by Exophase
Speaking of secretivity... I'm kinda confused about this whole Megaton thing, exactly what was that about Ninja?
Heh. That's something that never really came to be. Nintendo was supposed to make a big announcement at the end of December that would cause GameCube's to "fly off shelves". That announcement was hyped to the extreme, and rumors started flying around the net about it. A specific day was even mentioned.

Nothing happened that day.

This might be the "Megaton" announcement, although it isn't really all that mega.

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/?...=http://www.zdnet.co.jp/gamespot/gsnews/0212/24/news03.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2

Basically, Nintendo confirmed the following games, which have been almost positive rumors until recently. Nothing all that big except Kirby's Airland, which took us by surprise. ;)

Nintendo Puzzle Collection (7 February)
Metroid Prime (28 Feb)
Giftpia (April)
F-Zero GC (May)
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (Spring)
Wario World GC (Spring)
Kirby's Airland (Summer)
Mario Golf GC (Summer)
Mario Tennis GC (next Winter)
1080 GC (next Winter)
Starfox
Mario Kart GC
Pikmin 2
Doubutsu no Mori 2 (Animal Crossing 2)
BTW, have you heard the latest MS Fanboy rumor that says that Nintendo sold Microsoft the rights to Zelda? :D :D :D :D :D
 
HEH that's a good one ;) I'm kinda disappointed, the whole Megaton thing seemed interesting :( It's like I was saying though, Nintendo should watch its hype, because empty hype can be damaging in the end. I wonder how many people were disillusioned by this..

- Exo
 
Discussion starter · #1,253 ·
I actually think of it as free advertising. ;) It wasn't that bad, as most people I know blame ourselves for hyping it too much, and not Nintendo. But the original rumors said that Megaton would happen between Christmas and New Years. I haven't given up all hope yet. ;)

Besides, Seiken Densetsu and Sonic Adventure 3 have just been half-assed confirmed for GameCube. I am happy about that. ;)
 
> Since when were we analyzing quantity? PS2 not only has more RPG's but it has more GOOD RPG's too...

It's a coincidence, I know that you meant that the PS2 has good RPGs (as a matter of fact it has great RPGs), but Syed's "score" system is based upon quantity, forget about RPGs, all the genres have been "classified" upon quantity... it's more of a market division rather than a quality score...
 
Originally posted by Kaiser Sigma
[B It's a coincidence, I know that you meant that the PS2 has good RPGs (as a matter of fact it has great RPGs), but Syed's "score" system is based upon quantity, forget about RPGs, all the genres have been "classified" upon quantity... it's more of a market division rather than a quality score... [/B]
Quantity and quality product is what I say. You totally misunderstood me or you didn't read my posts and started criticising the system.

And no, I am only talking about the greatest games in a particular genre, otherwise I would have added "Arc the lad" "Dark cloud" "dark cloud2" and "the legend of alone dar" as well in the PS2 RPG lineup. But I only gave the big names which are great.

Why Am I am not giving GC any points? It goes like this. The good games on PS2 cancell out the good games on GC and even after that a good number of good games are still on PS2. That's why the score is at 3-0.
 
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Alright Syed, here's a list of GameCube RPGs that certainly have nothing wrong with them.

Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II
Lost Kingdoms
Lost Kingdoms II
Skies of Arcadia Legends
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Tales of Phantasia GCN
 
PSO is also an offline RPG? :confused:

I never talked about Everquest online....
 
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I say, why don't you keep PSO for the Online genre?

Hmmm. Still I believe that GC can't get more than Zero. The competition is tough.
 
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> Alright Syed, here's a list of GameCube RPGs that certainly have nothing wrong with them.

You know, I posted those titles and yet...

> Why Am I am not giving GC any points? It goes like this. The good games on PS2 cancell out the good games on GC and even after that a good number of good games are still on PS2. That's why the score is at 3-0.

The games aren't comparable (games themselves, not titles), they can't cancel each other... therefore that's why your system is misunderstood... the GC has some good RPGs, they can't be cancelled just because the PS2 features a lot of great RPGs...

> But I only gave the big names which are great.

You mean that BG:DA isn't one of the games that counted for the list ?

> Quantity and quality product is what I say. You totally misunderstood me or you didn't read my posts and started criticising the system.

I will ignore that last part of your comment... as for the first part, quality matters more than quantity, the PS2 has a lot of GREAT RPGs, I grant you that, but just because of it you can't cancel the titles avaible for the GC nor the XBOX...
 
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