Guns to be allowed on Texas campuses

Spyhop · Jan 8, 2008

Phil said:
I live close to Washington D.C. Bill Gates will agree with me, if you go to South East D.C. and wave a lot of cash around, you will a: get robbed or B: get shot, then robbed.

If you go to any shady district in any city in the world and wave a lot of cash around you will get robbed.

Smilley · Nov 10, 2007

@Shepard: Let's play a thought-game: You are held up by a mugger. He has a loaded, unlocked gun pointed at you, while you have an unloaded, locked gun in your side holster, under your vest ('cause if it's loaded and unlocked, you basically just shoot yourself). You can
a) try to draw your weapon, in which case your assailant will rightly think you a danger and shoot you before you can retaliate. In this case, you have a bleeding gunshot wound and he has two guns, one of which can definitely not be traced back to him, namely yours.
Or you can
b) let him mug you. In this case, not only are you no better off than without your weapon, but now your attacker has two guns, one of which can definitely not be traced back to him, namely yours.

@Kurbster: Reducing the threat of guns by allowing MORE guns. Brilliant.

Hard core Rikki · May 18, 2004

trigonomegatherisanicon said:
I live close to Washington D.C. Bill Gates will agree with me, if you go to South East D.C. and wave a lot of cash around, you will a: get robbed or B: get shot, then robbed.

You forgot:

C: reach home, unrobbed, unharmed and unfollowed by a gang totting machineguns.

Waving diamonds and pimpcanes around could only get you into trouble anywhere in the world, unless your local crowd is of equivalent social success.

@ruantec · Nov 24, 2002

Spyhop said:
If you go to any shady district in any city in the world and wave a lot of cash around you will get robbed.

you will probably be surprised but that scenario is as good as non-existent in the country/city i live.

-StrikE- · Dec 28, 2005

^Almost the same here.

SCHUMI_4EVER said:
Other than who gets shot this isn't going to change anything.

Hey if its the guys owning the illegal guns that get shot i'm all up for it.

Smilley said:
@Shepard: Let's play a thought-game: You are held up by a mugger. He has a loaded, unlocked gun pointed at you, while you have an unloaded, locked gun in your side holster, under your vest ('cause if it's loaded and unlocked, you basically just shoot yourself). You can
a) try to draw your weapon, in which case your assailant will rightly think you a danger and shoot you before you can retaliate. In this case, you have a bleeding gunshot wound and he has two guns, one of which can definitely not be traced back to him, namely yours.
Or you can
b) let him mug you. In this case, not only are you no better off than without your weapon, but now your attacker has two guns, one of which can definitely not be traced back to him, namely yours.

Their's C and D, C: hand im your wallet their's a chance he might not see your gun then shoot him when his not paying attention, D even if he gets your gun if you report the robbery your safe.

Smilley said:
@Kurbster: Reducing the threat of guns by allowing MORE guns. Brilliant.

_E_ · Aug 26, 2002

Not sure if the thread starter was sarcastic or serious, but this is ridiculous news; reminds me with the dangerous attempt of the despicable Neo Con party in Canada to alter the gun permit laws a few months ago.

I think Smilley put it up best. Having a gun only gives you the Illusion of security. If anything, more incidents are prone to happen because someone's misuse or someone's lack of anger control or sudden lust for physical power/blood.

Look at the countries with least amount of crime. Their citizens don't walk around carrying guns in their hands.

-StrikE- · Dec 28, 2005

_E_ said:
I think Smilley put it up best. Having a gun only gives you the Illusion of security.

Why ? It depends a lot on the situations but their are also many cases where having a gun helped especially in home robberies.

_E_ said:
If anything, more incidents are prone to happen because someone's misuse or someone's lack of anger control or sudden lust for physical power/blood.

Not really i admit i don't know how it is in America very well, but i doubt you just go to the police say hey i wanna have a gun permit and they'll just give you one, to obtain one legally you must go through some examinations/tests and of course your also briefed on what having a gun means. The problems you mention lies with those that have it illegally mostly.

_E_ said:
Look at the countries with least amount of crime. Their citizens don't walk around carrying guns in their hands.

It all depends some countries just don't have their crimes as mediated as much as America, plus all in all North America's the size of a continent with many different cultures and thus many different view points or opinions brought together, where as in most countries the majority of the citizens all have a common patern and their differences aren't as diverse.

_E_ · Aug 26, 2002

Strike105X said:
Why ? It depends a lot on the situations but their are also many cases where having a gun helped especially in home robberies.

Not really i admit i don't know how it is in America very well, but i doubt you just go to the police say hey i wanna have a gun permit and they'll just give you one, to obtain one legally you must go through some examinations/tests and of course your also briefed on what having a gun means. The problems you mention lies with those that have it illegally mostly.

It all depends some countries just don't have their crimes as mediated as much as America, plus all in all North America's the size of a continent with many different cultures and thus many different view points or opinions brought together, where as in most countries the majority of the citizens all have a common patern and their differences aren't as diverse.

We in Canada are more diverse that America (we dont have the "melting pot" aka: be Americanized policy for immigrants like they do) yet we do not have as much crime. We're not the perfect utopia on this earth; there has been incidents when some madman burst into a university and killed women/students but in contrast to the U.S; we do not have as much violence as they do. It the culture of guns and the culture of "breaking the rules" that nurtures all of this.

If someone is restricting the gun licence to use his gun within His own personal property as means of self-defence (like the case of burglary or assault) then I see no problem. The problem in the U.S is that people actually bring their firearms to public. Heck, in the midst of the Anti-black Obama rhetoric; some nutty neo-cons bought their firearms in public during a presidential public meeting (to so call "exercise their second amendment rights") - in the very same country that is notorious for Political assassinations (JF. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, President Lincoln, Kennedy Jr., ...etc). I am no American, but if I saw this happen in front of me, I ll be hell as sure to get rid of that second amendment; it threaten people and makes them buy guns; and sooner the later; you'll have streets filled with people walking with loaded guns - that's like a gunpowder keg waiting to explode.

-StrikE- · Dec 28, 2005

I see what you are saying but i beg to differ on the fact that Canada is more diverse then America, but i do agree its a hell of a lot better country but lets not get into that

. I see where you are going seems that gun licenses their might differ their from our country but the real problem with what your talking about lies with the examinations then, since from what your seem to be saying is that the wrong people seems to get legal access to the guns

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Smilley · Nov 10, 2007

Strike105X said:
Their's C and D, C: hand im your wallet their's a chance he might not see your gun then shoot him when his not paying attention,

At this point, it ceases to be self-defense and becomes assault or murder. Do you want to go to jail because a mugger took your wallet?

D even if he gets your gun if you report the robbery your safe.

And you owning a gun makes that better because...? That's just one more untraced weapon on the proverbial street. In a country whose police force protects and serves in more than name, you don't need a firearm.
Hell, in a country like Iraq where the police officer is the one to hold you up, I'd probably get a gun, too, but the US is far from that.

-StrikE- · Dec 28, 2005

Smilley said:
At this point, it ceases to be self-defense and becomes assault or murder. Do you want to go to jail because a mugger took your wallet?

Who said you gotta murder him, incapacitate him... also assault ? your defending your goods...

Smilley said:
And you owning a gun makes that better because...? That's just one more untraced weapon on the proverbial street. In a country whose police force protects and serves in more than name, you don't need a firearm.

It was just a scenario where loosing the gun doesn't make you end up in trouble, also this is rather one sided don't you think ? Say you are threaten by thugs with knifes/swords in various situations, rape, theft, assault, etc. a gun sure as hell helps and its not like every thug out their can get their hands on guns.

Smilley said:
Hell, in a country like Iraq where the police officer is the one to hold you up, I'd probably get a gun, too, but the US is far from that.

Its far maybe, but not perfect, a person has the right to protect itself, well a sane person who knows the implications at least, like i said to E it seems that their are some faults and the examinations they are either not properly done or the problem lies within the tests themselves, since those that shouldn't have access to a permit also have.

Spyhop · Jan 8, 2008

bleh

Spyhop · Jan 8, 2008

SCHUMI_4EVER · Jan 7, 2007

you could have stopped at about 5....I think most people woulda gotten the message by then.

Spyhop · Jan 8, 2008

SCHUMI_4EVER said:
you could have stopped at about 5....I think most people woulda gotten the message by then.

I feel more was necessary to illustrate the degree of spamming this guy is doing.

Phil · Oct 6, 2007

If anyone is familiar with reddit, this is what one member did. Of course the mods are much more strict over there.

masta.g.86 · Oct 22, 2008

You might want to remove the 14th link in that post, Spyhop...

Kirby · Mar 21, 2002

Smilley said:
@Kurbster: Reducing the threat of guns by allowing MORE guns. Brilliant.

we're in a climate now that people won't hesitate to use them against the government if restriction is even attempted. As I mentioned earlier, the damage has been done.....read up on the alcohol prohibition of the 1920s to see what happened when you take life-destroying objects away from the american people after they have been already consumed by them

Phil · Oct 6, 2007

Break out the mobs and moonshine. In some places, it is really to easy to get a gun. kirby is right in a way, posing restrictions will only make the criminals feel like they are justified.

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