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Friday 19-Nov-2010 3:01 PM

Crysis and Bad Company 2 look just as good on OnLive as they do on the "highest-end PC" according to EA's senior VP Patrick Soderlund.
Talking to CVG, Soderlund said that EA is looking closely at OnLive and other Cloud-gaming systems.

"I personally think it's a brilliant idea as long as it works," he said.

And it does work, according to Soderlund, who's seen OnLive in action and was impressed.

"The thing with that is, it doesn't matter how powerful the game is or what graphics you're running on," he said.

"Everything is handled somewhere else. The stream and the mechanism that controls the stream, that's the problem right now, getting the latency down so that it feels like you're playing on your TV at home rather than a server somewhere else.

"I've tested it myself I've played high-end games like Crysis or Bad Company 2 and they looked exactly like they would do on the highest end PC.

"They still have some minor technical challenges to overcome in terms of transferring data to you to have the same experience but this is very impressive technology and these companies - there are several of them - are on to something really big I think."

Soderlund predicted two years before things like OnLive became mainstream, saying that he expected to see the systems in hotels first.
But can they replace the current breed of console from Sony and Microsoft altogether? Souderlund thinks they need to be taken seriously:

"If I were Sony and Microsoft and I was looking at building a new machine I would absolutely look at options like that for my services for sure, why not?"

The OnLive price and release date was revealed yesterday.
News: OnLive games rival 'highest-end PC titles' - EA - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

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The small unit, which plugs into your internet connection and then into your TV - bringing you the OnLive service - goes on sale for $99, which when you consider the service now no longer includes a subscription fee, is a pretty good price, especially since a control pad is also included.

In addition to the box and pad, purchasers will also be given a $50 credit with OnLive, which means you'll get your first game for free. While OnLive will begin taking orders for the box tomorrow, consoles won't ship until December 2.

What you guys think about Onlive ???
 
I dont like the way that they can easily just turn around and say no, your not using that game anymore.

at least with steam the files were stored locally on you computer, and you can use it outwith of steam via certain methods.

also since i cant use it (different countly), wouldnt there be some sort of input lag.
 
What's their definition of a high-end PC? An Atom/ION netbook? I seem to recall reading a review of the OnLive service and the graphics is nowhere near the quality of a high-end (heck, even midrange) gaming PC, not to mention the author saw some noticeable lag. When we've got gigabit pipes going to our homes and no more pesky bandwidth caps, then it might be worth another look.
 
What's their definition of a high-end PC? An Atom/ION netbook? I seem to recall reading a review of the OnLive service and the graphics is nowhere near the quality of a high-end (heck, even midrange) gaming PC, not to mention the author saw some noticeable lag. When we've got gigabit pipes going to our homes and no more pesky bandwidth caps, then it might be worth another look.
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Crysis and Bad Company 2 look just as good on OnLive as they do on the "highest-end PC" according to EA's senior VP Patrick Soderlund.
This either means OnLive is the best thing since sliced bread, or the vice president of EA doesn't know what high end PC gaming feels like. My bet's on the latter.
 
I have tried it, and here's my thoughts.

It's major problems are three things.

1. Visual quality. It is like JPEG versus BMP/PNG. The compression is bad. It isn't consistent either. Static scenes will look more clear, ones in motion, less so. Regardless, it always look worse than the raw thing. A foggy blur like appearance covers everything (edit: reading that link, "washed out" is a good way to put it).

2. If they ever go under, you lose access to use your purchased right to the games, but you won't get your money back (technically, the same is potentially true of some others, like Steam).

3. All of the general extra things that come with PC gaming (modding namely, etc.) are lost.

Also, supposedly done away with, but worth noting, if they ever decide to start charging for this service, it COMPLETELY changes it from an alternative to a needless and inferior one. The money you repeatedly pay for service would nearly get you a console or PC to play better.

The selection is limited right now too, but that will get better in time.

The things I do like are as follows.

1. There's no need to install any games. It's pretty much plug and play, per se.

2. Requirements are a non-issue, sort of, but you still need a good connection and a PC capable of HD video playback (to a degree).

3. They usually offer all games in sale format of full (full price, full access), rent (full access for a set amount of days), and trial (full, yes full, access, but for thirty minutes only). When that thirty minutes is up, you can go back and play it again, so it doesn't "run out", but you obviously have to start anew.

Ughm... about it really. Those pros aren't issues for me against playing games the usual way, so I don't prefer OnLive. It's "neat", but if this is ALL we had for gaming in practice, we'd be in a bad state. That last statement summarizes my thoughts about gaming this way, and thus, OnLive.
 
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Apparently you can use Onlive on Windows 7. The subscription is free, but whenever I try to connect to the service I get this:

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I played a few minutes of Dark Void on my 20Mb connection and I'm actually extremely impressed. Zero input lag, beautiful interface, just excellent performance all around; I was quite surprised. There's some noticeable compression but I wouldn't say that's a terrible tradeoff, especially this early on in the product's life. I don't understand all the naysayers; with time, I could see this evolving into an excellent service.
 
I keep on looking at this thing as if a gaming version of netflix, I really like the idea although I can't see me using it in the near future, I'm glad that an idea like this is being tried out.
 
I played a few minutes of Dark Void on my 20Mb connection and I'm actually extremely impressed. Zero input lag, beautiful interface, just excellent performance all around; I was quite surprised. There's some noticeable compression but I wouldn't say that's a terrible tradeoff, especially this early on in the product's life. I don't understand all the naysayers; with time, I could see this evolving into an excellent service.
That shot just looks "noticeable" and not "horrible" to you!? That's a pretty bad example. Washed out, blurry, dull, and foggy is all I'm seeing.

What's not to understand about the link Cid Highwind posted? Nobody is really outright calling it itself bad in everything it's done. It has overcome alot. But the facts remain, the quality is both very inconsistent and overall pretty bad, and this type of gaming model just outright, well, do I need to say it?

That last one is the biggest problem with it, and that is something that will not "get better in time (worse, if anything). I do appreciate it for what it is, and besides the video compression, it's be spot on, but maybe I'm just old fashioned, I wouldn't like this type of model largely replacing the current/existing one.

P.S. Random curiousity, but do you not use Aero, or did it disable when activating OnLive?
 
That shot just looks "noticeable" and not "horrible" to you!? That's a pretty bad example. Washed out, blurry, dull, and foggy is all I'm seeing.

What's not to understand about the link Cid Highwind posted? Nobody is really outright calling it itself bad in everything it's done. It has overcome alot. But the facts remain, the quality is both very inconsistent and overall pretty bad, and this type of gaming model just outright, well, do I need to say it?

That last one is the biggest problem with it, and that is something that will not "get better in time (worse, if anything). I do appreciate it for what it is, and besides the video compression, it's be spot on, but maybe I'm just old fashioned, I wouldn't like this type of model largely replacing the current/existing one.

P.S. Random curiousity, but do you not use Aero, or did it disable when activating OnLive?
The compression of that screenshot added to it, but I agree it's not anywhere near the quality of a game running locally. I just don't understand why there are people are predicting outright failure; as I said, with time, it could be great - as an alternative. I would never call it a replacement for a dedicated gaming PC, but I could see it being good for devices which would otherwise never be capable of running such a software library, and I'm sure plenty of people would pay for that opportunity.

I had Aero disabled in that shot - I usually use Windows 7 Basic. I just tested and it works just as well with Aero, and it doesn't disable it.
 
The compression of that screenshot added to it, but I agree it's not anywhere near the quality of a game running locally. I just don't understand why there are people are predicting outright failure; as I said, with time, it could be great - as an alternative. I would never call it a replacement for a dedicated gaming PC, but I could see it being good for devices which would otherwise never be capable of running such a software library, and I'm sure plenty of people would pay for that opportunity.
Actually, most of the negative reaction is just towards the comment that it's as good as gaming on a high-end PC and not of the service itself. It's still in its infancy so teething pains are to be expected. By far, the biggest issue with it is slow progress on broadband in the US and ISP bandwidth caps. By the way, I just tried it on an Atom nettop. Just moving the mouse in Batman: Arkham Asylum menu was pretty laggy. I do like the interface a lot, though. Really nifty for an HTPC. Already wondering if there's some way to do that for my games. :p
 
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