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#61 ·
Of course i wouldn't. none of the people i speak to in real life say such stupid stuff.

its only the internet where i allow myself to be surrounded by such........ people.
 
#62 ·
thommohawk13 said:
How can I prove it without spending half a day trying to prove myself correct to people that won't listen regardless ? ....all the evidence I need I have from experience with the operating systems in question (Vista SP2 and Win7 latest beta) and in my experience Vista is alot better and the speed gain that I get from Win7 which is slight, isn't worth it....I'll have to take your word for Win7 being alot better on lower end systems because I haven't used it on lower end systems - however I know what Vista's like on lower end PC's or laptops! That being said the speed gain isn't much on my rig and XP is still like greased lightning by comparison - not to mention any PC using any operating system is slow if it's clogged up with crap, that being said I can't think that Win7 is alot better than Vista on lower end systems considering it's relative to Vista speed on my rig and it's still a fair way slower than Windows XP.

Benchmarks aren't worth a wank neither, the only proof one needs to say wether or not an operating system is this or that or to see how something performs for them is not to go by benchmarks but to actually use it themselves without any pre conceptions or popular opinion pressure. That is to use it impartially and judge it on it's own merrits. That's what I did in this case, and Vista's better than Windows 7 simple as that - you'll be saying the same thing a few months down the line, either that or you're clearly deluding yourselves.

It would be interesting to see when the last time all these Vista haters actually used or had Vista on their machines and if they bothered to keep it up to date with the service packs etc....because I bet their opinion/prejudice is a good 2 years out of date at this point and equally invalid if truth be told.

As for wether or not Windows 7 performs alot better on lower end rigs than Vista remains to be seen, I'm highly skeptical but I'll take your word for it until I see and test it for myself....but even if that's true (which I doubt it is) it's irrelevant because the speed gain on lesser machines won't last long. And besides which any such machine should really be using XP instead of Windows Vista or Win7 as it's much faster. Not to mention they can't take advantage of Aero etc.
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Well that is = 0 no proof no credibility (ps: don't think your the only one who tried out difrent windows's i had them all and you need to have vista heavily tweaked to get the same performance as with 7(in hawx for example (this is just a example) i still get at least an extra 5 fps with windows 7 no matter how hard i tweak vista).

thommohawk13 said:
Squall who the **** do you think you are ? Stop being such a c**t for once you are no better than anyone else so stop thinking that you are....I notice how you pull **** like this in a roundabout way so that it's not directly insulting other members so you don't get infractions but your smarmy remarks bloodywell are insulting! And you know it....don't be such a coward, if you have something you want to say to me then say it, don't be hiding behind your status on here and the forum rules - if you can be an arrogant and ignorant prick on purpose then you can say what's on your mind properly. I will, people like you are lowlifes that think they know the lot when they don't, and they think cos they have some clout on forums that they can treat people however they like with no comebacks, they also think they are superior to other people because of this - and what doesn't help is all the kiss ass sheep that follow them and agree with them on everything because they have no clout themselves. Step into reality once in a while but grow up before you do that, unless of course you want to feel someone's fist in your face.

Squall you aren't fooling anybody, you wouldn't speak to people like that in real life and you know it, so what's the need to do so on an internet forum ? Grow up ffs.
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Honestly you need to grow up, if i where you i'd lay back and actually think before posting, all you did was trow some unclear arguments out of nowhere without backing it up with evidence as well as flaming/trolling.

PS: using your logic you should believe me when i say elephants can fly since i said it and it will take half a day writing it down how it happens.
 
#63 ·
my first windows was 95, but i've used 3.1 to Windows Server 2007, and will be using 2008/7 soon
 
#65 ·
That's what I said, IF the beta is released as is (and so I've witnessed the RTM is identical) then Vista is better overall, the things taken out of Vista for Windows 7 (more accurate a statement than you think) isn't worth the speed gain I'm sorry but you should never sacrifice functionality for speed....especially when the speed gain is sod all to write home about - also gaming isn't everything, maybe it is on here...but PC's are used for other things too, presentation and usability goes a long, long way and Windows 7 fails on both counts compared to Vista, simple as. Wether you guys realise this or wish to admit it is frankly irrelevant as it's plainly obvious to anybody with no prejudice or sway and of course anybody with a pair of eyes that are not sight unseen, that Vista is better - at least Vista has all the useability that Windows XP and any other Windows offers - can't say the same thing for Windows 7.

We'll just see when it's released but if things stay as they are and Windows7 is made out to be everything that Vista isn't or should have been, then much like the notion that Vista is dog**** this would be a stone cold lie, it just isn't the truth anymore. This much is fact. It's not even debatable so **** knows why I'm wasting my time talking to a bunch of morons that are so set in their ways that they refuse to listen to the truth.
 
#66 ·
To be honest, I can't really tell the speed difference wise on Vista SP2 and Windows 7 rtm version. It could just be that Intel's Core2Duo processor is doing its job... But boot up does seems a bit faster on Win7, or maybe it just that my harddrive for vista is like about 10Gb left (95GB total) verse a new partition (25gb total for Win7).

Microsoft did mentioned that Win7 will take "better" advantage of multicore CPUs compared to Vista.

In any case, Win7 will surely get DirectX 11 but can't really say the same for Vista yet. That alone is enough to get some or most people, or gamers.

P.S. Can't wait for Windows 8...
 
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#67 ·
DX11 will also be available for Vista.
 
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thommohawk13 said:
How can I prove it without spending half a day trying to prove myself correct to people that won't listen regardless ? ....all the evidence I need I have from experience with the operating systems in question (Vista SP2 and Win7 latest beta) and in my experience Vista is alot better and the speed gain that I get from Win7 which is slight, isn't worth it....I'll have to take your word for Win7 being alot better on lower end systems because I haven't used it on lower end systems - however I know what Vista's like on lower end PC's or laptops! That being said the speed gain isn't much on my rig and XP is still like greased lightning by comparison - not to mention any PC using any operating system is slow if it's clogged up with crap, that being said I can't think that Win7 is alot better than Vista on lower end systems considering it's relative to Vista speed on my rig and it's still a fair way slower than Windows XP.
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I really do not buy your arguments.
And i spend 90% of my days optimising and configuring my systems like i am obsessed. I trim and trim and remove and fix, and i make do with as bare a system as i can, for doing what i need to do.

What i found though, when i tried Win7, was that i were amazed at how instantly responsive it felt from the get go, it actually closed in a lot on my very worked trough and trimmed XP, both SP2 and SP3 (which i have made about 30 revisions of by now - all in hunt for small percents of speed and space-gain).
Vista on the other hand, regardless of sp and updates, are by far a more stress-fully built (By MS) and bloated than Win7.

What MS has done with Win7 is that they realized what went not-so-well with Vista, which was a combination of introducing to much "lull" to fast, and not getting up to speed with the market evaluating it.
And it is working quite well already, considering Win7 is a beta (know RTM'ed), while Vista have been here a long while and were supposed to be largely adapted by everyone.

It was a very good move by them to make open beta-testing available for Win7 - and even i, who shun them from time to time, can only give a thumbs up for them this time.

I honestly don't know how you use your computer to get the results you seem to believe you are "feeling", and what your concept of "junk" on the system is. ;)
 
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Vista on the other hand, regardless of sp and updates, are by far a more stress-fully built (By MS) and bloated than Win7.
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Vista doesn't like your crappy computer's specs. As a matter of fact, vista isn't made for low-end computer specs :rolleyes: However, it does run very well on notebook that have Core 2 at 2GHz cpu, coupled with 2gb of ram, and powered by Intel's integrated x3100 GMA.

This has been tested and confirmed by many, including myself. At home i have 2 laptops with similar specs, both have vista and it ran like smooth butter. In many cases, vista and Win 7 are very identical...enough said.
 
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tuanming said:
Vista doesn't like your crappy computer's specs. As a matter of fact, vista isn't made for low-end computer specs :rolleyes: However, it does run very well on notebook that have Core 2 at 2GHz cpu, coupled with 2gb of ram, and powered by Intel's integrated x3100 GMA.

This has been tested and confirmed by many, including myself. At home i have 2 laptops with similar specs, both have vista and it ran like smooth butter. In many cases, vista and Win 7 are very identical...enough said.
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If this are crappy specs i'm humping my avatar as we speak :

P_RePTiLe for sig said:
( #1 Core2Duo E8400 @ 3.61 Ghz, 2048 MB DDR-RAM @ 802mhz, XFX Geforce GTX260 XT - Not half bad :)).
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Though i gotta say P_ReP you where doing something wrong cause on a high end computer Vista (SP2) can be similar to 7 in speed (well at least better then XP except for games), though i also agree Vista was bloated and there is a big improvement with 7.
 
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So basically the difference between tuangming's post and mine is that he didn't hate on Windows7 directly and I did ? I wonder if his 2000 odd posts to my barely 20 would have anything to do with it as we seem to have the same basic opinion except I said it unfiltered and I'm getting flak by ignorant assclowns for it and I am sorry but I call it as I see it and on that basis I tell it how it is and it's as simple as that, Vista is slower than Windows7 for sure nobody can deny that, but you have reduced functionality in Windows 7 in what really is a deal breaker for me in folder-within-folder placement/customisation which you are unable to do in Windows7, just one of many cases where I got ****ed off with Windows7 and jacked it off in preference of Vista - slower for sure, only slightly, but has more stuff and basically lets you do whatever you want to do regarding folder placement.

Windows7 is for all intents and purposes Windows Vista - except it's been optimized for speed but has had functionality sacrificed for debatable moderate speed gain, and of course the work under the hood is a few years old now regarding drivers etc whereas Vista looking back at the debacle upon launch for the first year or so in retrospect it was probably released a year or two early, or the software developers underestimated the changes being made. But Vista is already condemned by most, unfairly these days for sure. Given the flak it and any Vista supporter gets one would think it was the worst operating system in the world but it is far from it in truth. I mean what kind of ignorant tw@t gives other people grief for wether or not they use XP, Vista, Win7, Linux etc ? I mean Christ almighty, does it bloody matter ?!

The only reason Windows 7 is being defended right now is that everyone said it was the second coming, and now you are going to live and die by your conviction so to speak - even though you know Win7 is 95% Vista, 3% functionality loss, 2% speed gain - with a few tweaks here and there to UAC thrown in.

Nobody can rightfully deny what I'm saying as it's quite simply the truth of fact but then I suppose if I were to tell Squall, Strike105 and a couple of other clique members that the sky is blue they would still insist it's green if that's what the other person says.
 
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tuanming said:
Vista doesn't like your crappy computer's specs. As a matter of fact, vista isn't made for low-end computer specs :rolleyes: However, it does run very well on notebook that have Core 2 at 2GHz cpu, coupled with 2gb of ram, and powered by Intel's integrated x3100 GMA.

This has been tested and confirmed by many, including myself. At home i have 2 laptops with similar specs, both have vista and it ran like smooth butter. In many cases, vista and Win 7 are very identical...enough said.
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This would be viable, if his specs were crappy.

oh.. and the fact that Having tested Vista and Win7 on this 2.1Ghz Sempron, Windows 7 chewed through Vista.
 
#74 ·
strike105x said:
If this are crappy specs i'm humping my avatar as we speak :



Though i gotta say P_ReP you where doing something wrong cause on a high end computer Vista (SP2) can be similar to 7 in speed (well at least better then XP except for games), though i also agree Vista was bloated and there is a big improvement with 7.
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I think it is more a matter of just how picky i am, i still "thin out" my systems as much as i did my pentium 3 @800mhz back in the day.
It is not just about loading up a game with fraps and count the few differences (if any, i agree with you in some way atleast), but how responsive it is when i use the system in my workflow.

Vista just had a lot to tackle and wrestle out of the core system, as did XP in the beginning of course, but vista is more bloated no matter how one looks at it. They didn't complete it when it launched, and the sp's are like glueing it togheter.

My thought is just that from scratch, a normal un-tweaked install, win7 is more quick than vista. and that is the only point i wanted to make :)
 
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strike105x said:
Actually your wrong tuanming is usually ignored which i think i'll do with you since all you seem to do is complain about imaginary things.
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Vista was intentionally slowed down to improve stability :p

windows 7 is stable from the get go :D
 
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strike105x said:
If this are crappy specs i'm humping my avatar as we speak
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First of all, he didn't say which computer he tried it on with Vista. Just because he put his pc specs on his sig it doesn't mean that was the computer. Secondly, with a pc specs like that and he still having issue or what he's having, then something smells fishy to me. Either he's BSing or just haven't taken his computer 101 course, or might need to retake it...

P_RePTiLe said:
Vista on the other hand, regardless of sp and updates, are by far a more stress-fully built (By MS) and bloated than Win7.
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And saying that it doesn't make any difference from no SP (Service Pack) to SP 1-2 is foolish or just plain bias. This quote alone is enough to judge one's ability/understanding...

@thommohawk13

Don't sweat dude. We got all types of people in this forum, ranging from ass-kissing to mister wannabe I-Know-all-that.
 
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#77 ·
all the way down to the low class cocky **** Texans:rolleyes:




one of the core reasons i prefer emu communities over hardware communities is the people actually know their ****.
 
#78 ·
Vista isn't bad now, but it was horrendous. The SPs improved things, but it doesn't change the fact Vista was built poorly. They can patch it up as much as they want, but the Vista era is already over. M$ already announcing it's death date should already make it plainly obvious.

I have the option to switch to Vista Ultimate, as it's sitting in my closet, but I have no reason to. 7 is just the superior system. Also, M$ is already offering free 7 upgrades from Vista if you bought a prebuilt, preloaded windows OS computer. If that doesn't make it more obvious already, you're just blinding yourself.

7 > Vista in every possible way.
 
#79 ·
ive been using windows 7 since version 7000 and before that i was using vista since vista RTM and i must say the moment i installed win 7 ive been in love. I could NEVER go back to vista. It was a horrible mess of organization and annoying popups happen all the time telling me to do crap. I could never find stuff i need easily, not to mention, it was less responsive and fast.
 
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tuanming said:
First of all, he didn't say which computer he tried it on with Vista. Just because he put his pc specs on his sig it doesn't mean that was the computer. Secondly, with a pc specs like that and he still having issue or what he's having, then something smells fishy to me. Either he's BSing or just haven't taken his computer 101 course, or might need to retake it...
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Your right he probably tried vista on his neighbors PC...
PS: see bolded part and use logic.

P_RePTiLe said:
And i spend 90% of my days optimising and configuring my systems like i am obsessed.
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Vista needs updates/SP + a lot of tweaking to be a good OS, though with this it beats XP but its not as good as 7 out of the box. The only thing in which vista is better then 7 is bloat.
 
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