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I have to say this, dont want to but its still relevant.

Even if GTA gets banned to adult shops or parents not being allowed to buy it or what not, theres still the issue of torrenting. P2P is the way out for everything, and we know it. Apperently, JT doesnt and i never expect him to.

But i dont get it...why does he wanna ban a game thats gonna be available to the public anyway no matter if its in store or through torrent ?
 
I have to say this, dont want to but its still relevant.

Even if GTA gets banned to adult shops or parents not being allowed to buy it or what not, theres still the issue of torrenting. P2P is the way out for everything, and we know it. Apperently, JT doesnt and i never expect him to.

But i dont get it...why does he wanna ban a game thats gonna be available to the public anyway no matter if its in store or through torrent ?
 
This isn't porn. This isn't Adult stuff. It's Mature stuff, and we're treating it as if it was some kind of virus.
GTA is getting to the point where it could be considered porn.

And i believe theres codes to actually show uncut sex scenes in the game... or at least i've heard..

of course that dosn't mean it is all porn, but it does have porn in it.

Those games are NOT adult games, so why should they be sold in ADULT stores?
Those are 17+ games. Not 18+ games. 18+ games are banned from every single countries AND from every single stores AND from every single consoles...
you're saying that a game that you can **** prostitutes, goto strip clubs, and etc.. its not an Adult game?

sure its not a hardcore porn flic, but it definitely has enough content to be called an adult game.

so it would be appropiate if it was sold in adult stores.
 
I'm confused. Is it not completely obvious that not all videogames are for kids, just as not all books are for kids and not all movies are for kids? This mindset of 'it's a game, so it's got to be suitable for teh childrunz' is a load of BS. GTA is not marketed to kids. It's not advertised in kids comics or during children's TV.

It's probably common sense, for example, that you wouldn't let a young kid watch Hostel or Cannibal Holocaust (of course, nothing is stopping you, lolz). And if you did, and complained about it, you'd look like an idiot for letting them watch it in the first place. Why can't that same common sense apply to games? The game is called GRAND THEFT AUTO, ffs. The content is pretty much inferred from the title.

And if kids want to watch gory violence, pr0n or any type of weirdness they want, they're 2 clicks away on Google. It's ludicrous to single out this game when there's a million ways kids can access this kind of stuff.

GTA is just another easy votewinning blame target. But hey, at least it takes the blame off the parents, and saves them doing some of that tiresome 'parenting'.
 
GTA is getting to the point where it could be considered porn.

And i believe theres codes to actually show uncut sex scenes in the game... or at least i've heard..

of course that dosn't mean it is all porn, but it does have porn in it.

you're saying that a game that you can **** prostitutes, goto strip clubs, and etc.. its not an Adult game?

sure its not a hardcore porn flic, but it definitely has enough content to be called an adult game.

so it would be appropiate if it was sold in adult stores.
Not, it is NOT a adult game.
It's Mature. Not Adult. See that ESRB logo? :p It says Mature, not adult. M+, not AO+. You really seem to misunderstand what it means for a game to be rated Adult.

And there's movies with prostitutes, where they show boobs and even sex scenes.
Are those considered porno? Rarely, many find their way into cinemas and are sold at Walmart and ect.

Why should a game be treated differently? Both are entertainment, quite simply.

One day they'll finally get around to making a GTA movie.
And you know what? I'll probably be filled with even more stuff, since they'll condense it in a movie lenght (1:30-2:00).
And no one will complain about the rating or about the game being banned. Even tho it'll be using real people instead of pixels.
Simply because it's a movie.

PS : The cheat you're referring to was actually a patch to unlock content that was REMOVED from the game. The game wasn't supposed to have that stuff, fans were the one to find it and make the patch to re-include the sex mini-game. And THAT gave the game a Adult-rating.
EVENT THO IT WAS A FREAKIN PATCH MADE BY FANS -_- A GODDAMN MOD.


Don't believe the crap you see being told about GTA, the game isn't that bad as far as "adult stuff" goes. They're not crossing the limit between "Mature" and "Adult".

Jack Thompsons and many many other 'tards were complaining about GTA4 before it was even released. They had no damn idea about the content of the game that they were already complaining.

Hell, we talk about the kind of people who complained about the sex scene in Mass Effect, a scene that has shown less stuff than "what you could see in Lost".
(to quote someone who complained about the scene before watching it)

Just to show you how people complain about useless stuff. The only way to get that patch was for the player to apply it himself.

Next we'll give the Sims a Adult-rating because you can have nude people and incest with mods.
 
And no one will complain about the rating or about the game being banned. Even tho it'll be using real people instead of pixels.
Simply because it's a movie.
So ridiculous, but so true. The double standard is insane.
 
oh no, what have i done!?

thanakil is back to his former self, posting huge posts again :cry:
 
I just hate the double-standard between games and other stuff :p.

Especially since it may get worse, all of that because people see games as the new evil corrupting the youngin minds.
 
Oh FFS, i was playing Carmageddon at 10, and it hasn't given me any urges to steal a car and run a bunch of peds over.

its all a load of utter bs, theres no evidence what so ever, that violence, sex, breastfeeding in public, swearing, nudity or anything else like that, turns kids into sex crazed, violent, rapists that like to swear their heads off.

You want well adjusted kids? STOP BLANKETING THEM FROM THE FACTS. You do more damage by lieing to kids, then from telling them the truth, and letting them know the world for what it is.

Anyone else coming with me back to the 1600's when i finish my time machine?
 
lol you think thats bad? read this.
W.T.F.......hahahahah!!!!! :D He really is relentless, isn't he? :p

Look, there are "some" people who are very impressionable, and this isn't restricted solely to minors/children.

But at the end of the day, the majority never indulge in such behaviour, even though it seems quite sick that we, as people, enjoy witnessing and interacting in (the majority) of games that tend to be violent.

...but like Squall-Leonhart, I was also playing Carmageddon at a young age, but I never (and currently don't :p) run people over.

Even though i've been through a plethora of games, i'm still a sound, stable and reasonable person.

....perhaps Jacky doesn't give people enough benefit of the doubt.

r2rX :D
 
....perhaps Jacky doesn't give people enough benefit of the doubt.

r2rX :D
You should know, people rarely (if ever) do.
Even in serious law cases, it seems people usually adopt a "guilty until proven innocent" (while it should be the other way) because people usually assume the worse about other humans.

And I guess that's exactly what's happening here. On top of being impressionable, people simply assume the worse about others. Assume that people would really become violent because of stuff like this and ect.

(and we assume that people who think that are all morons :p)
 
Even in serious law cases, it seems people usually adopt a "guilty until proven innocent" (while it should be the other way) because people usually assume the worse about other humans.
the US is like the only country that practices "innocent until proven guilty", other countries treat you like a criminal until you can prove you're innocent.

theoretically if you are innocent, then it should be easy to prove.
 
the US is like the only country that practices "innocent until proven guilty", other countries treat you like a criminal until you can prove you're innocent.

theoretically if you are innocent, then it should be easy to prove.
In theory that's fine.
But even in the US, before you're brought before the judge, society will see you as criminal anyway. You're not treated like one officially, but you know that everybody in society will think you're the criminal even if you're not proven guilty yet/before the trial ends.

And keep in mind, it's not THAT usual for cops to focus on one or two suspects, sometime you got cops who focus really on one or two people simply because they think he's the one guilty, and by doing that sometime find "clues"/"proof" that are misleading on that person.
Just because you're innocent doesn't mean it's easy to prove either. There's SO MANY WAYS a innocent person can be seen guilty. It's really horrible when you search about it and find about the number of people who are found guilty every year when they actually were innocent. Seriously depressing like hell =/.

Anyway, it's mainly society who usually find you guilty even before the trial even starts sometime. Just being announced as a "suspect" will get people to look at you in a very weird way.

That's why even tho GTA has been OFFICIALLY rated as Mature.
Society (and morons like Jack) still treat it as Adult and make a ruckus.


It doesn't matter what you're judged (or if you're not judged it), it doesn't matter what the real rating is.
People are impressionable, no matter in what country you are, and society will judge you on what they're fed, they won't look very hard, they'll get a first impression and judge you. That's where guys like thompsons come in, who try to use that as a way to rally people up against stuff easily.
 
GT games make me fall asleep. Which is probably why I kept the first one on PS2 just so I could have an easy way to sleep if I'm feeling insomnia again... :p
Stop hopping yourself up on the coffee and other energy drinks and start taking some booze to make yourslef fall asleep. :p ;)


What I don't understand is why there is the discrepancy between the regualr users and review sites. Take 2 couldn't have pay off every singe revview site, perhaps appreaciation of the game comes after playing it for some time.
 
Don't get me wrong; I thought vice city was a very good game. Same with most GTA games actually. It's just more so the fact I haven't ever seen that before. When Zelda OOT came out it got "close" to that kind of praise. Can't think of anything else really.
 
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