Xbox2 For Xmas'05

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Kiroshi

Discussion Starter · Jan 23, 2005

The Xbox was a poor launch for M$. With the PS2's 18-month head start how could it compete? So what is the strategy for Xbox 2? Launch before or with Sony!

A leaked press release from EA stated their next NFSU series would be out in 2005 for Xbox2. It was also confirmed at an interview with Cam Ferroni at CES stating...

CF: "I think the most important thing for the next generation is we need to launch, not necessarily before them, but at a minimum, they can't have a holiday advantage. The most important thing in any region is we both have to be there. Well, I don't care whether they're there [laughs], to be honest with you, but there's no way that we can let them have a one-holiday advantage."

CF: "but when it comes to being available for Christmas, if you've got a Christmas with one but not the other, it's not going to be theirs."

I like how he say's "it's not going to be theirs" like he knows Xbox 2 will be out before the PS3.

Interview With Cam
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Blade556

· #2 · Jan 24, 2005

If Son is still working out the kinks with Cell Technology (As stated in a previous thread), then it may very well be possible. I read the information pages on it and it's blowing me away, to be honest. And I thought standard ASM was hard to figure out...

In any case, Xbox2 (I would like to think of it as Xenon) deserves to be released before the newer Playstation. Microsoft has alot to gain with an advantage during the holidays, unless of course they make another Xbox with better specs.

You know how regular old fasioned CG for movies (Theater flicks, not FMV's) is done? Why not utilize companies from Hollywood to make Cinematics for video games, or even enhance them to be interactive? You know how powerful the X2 would be? It would scale over the top of the limits to Gaming. Unless it doesn't work that way, which it may very well be. Hell, even if they can't make the CG interactive, the Xbox already can read DVD movie information, why not do what they did with Final Fantasy and make really detailed animations?

I have faith in the Xbox because it's underrated. People hear Xbox, they think Halo and Console version of a PC. They don't think Prince of Persia (Which is on the PC too, I know) or Fable or anything else.

...Does anyone else think I sound like a Fanboy?

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xRock

· #3 · Jan 24, 2005

Absolutely.

M$ "deserves" to release Xbox2 (not X2) before Sony, howcome?

I believe u need to organize ur thoughts a bit before posting them most of it doesnt make any sense.

Razor Blade

· #4 · Jan 24, 2005

I have to agree xRockx

Let the better console win. That's the way it will be. The most popular one will. If Microsoft can't compete with technology or a proper gaming library someone else will and therefore sell more.

I think it is too premature for a console to be released for Christmas 2005, but that's just me. If these console life cycles are going shorter than 5 years now, I am really gonna think hard about purchasing a new one.

Cid Highwind

· #5 · Jan 24, 2005

If they want to have their Xbox2 go the way of the DC, let them

The DC suffered from the fact too many ppl where looking forward to the PS3. With the relatively weak library of the Xbox the same might happen to Xbox2. The PS2 already has all the games the Xbox has (except from some exclusives, but the PS2 has substitutes for them).

I don't think the current generation has shown it's true power yet. And from what I've read about cell technology, I doubt the next Xbox can be any stronger than PS3, unless it uses the same or a different, more powerfull technology. But that's only a thought from someone who hasn't read anything about the specs of the next Xbox :heh:

@ Blade: The Xbox isn't underrated, it's overrated.... Sure it can do great things, but I've seen Cube games that look just as good as Xbox games, like Resident Evil 4, even though Xbox worshippers claim they have the uber machine with the specs that blow the Cube and PS2 away.

Sephi

· #6 · Jan 24, 2005

Cid Highwind said:
@ Blade: The Xbox isn't underrated, it's overrated.... Sure it can do great things, but I've seen Cube games that look just as good as Xbox games, like Resident Evil 4, even though Xbox worshippers claim they have the uber machine with the specs that blow the Cube and PS2 away.

dont they all say that about there machine.. how great it is...
I just hope the design of the XBox controler get changed. Dont like the current one.. It just doesnt feel nice.

xRock

· #7 · Jan 24, 2005

Quote: Cid Highwind
If they want to have their Xbox2 go the way of the DC, let them
The DC suffered from the fact too many ppl where looking forward to the PS3.

This will never happen due to the following reason. M$ has got way more $$ then SEGA, they can take losses and still make profit overall like they did with Xbox. M$ kept losing money on Xbox for some time, but revenue from other sectors gave M$ an overall profit. SEGA never really could take another loss after Saturn.

sims

· #8 · Jan 24, 2005

Cid Highwind said:
If they want to have their Xbox2 go the way of the DC, let them
The DC suffered from the fact too many ppl where looking forward to the PS3. With the relatively weak library of the Xbox the same might happen to Xbox2. The PS2 already has all the games the Xbox has (except from some exclusives, but the PS2 has substitutes for them).

I don't think the current generation has shown it's true power yet. And from what I've read about cell technology, I doubt the next Xbox can be any stronger than PS3, unless it uses the same or a different, more powerfull technology. But that's only a thought from someone who hasn't read anything about the specs of the next Xbox :heh:

@ Blade: The Xbox isn't underrated, it's overrated.... Sure it can do great things, but I've seen Cube games that look just as good as Xbox games, like Resident Evil 4, even though Xbox worshippers claim they have the uber machine with the specs that blow the Cube and PS2 away.

No offense but you're speaking out of your arse. The XBOX is without a doubt the leader of this generation in terms of graphics.

Have you seen the xbox in person? The PS2 or GG will never be able to render Halo2. Yet anything available on either of those can be ported to the xbox.

People always assume just because the PS2 and GG have custom builts CPU/GPUS that they're somehow special, and that raw mhz just doesn't apply. Hello, I don't care how sophiscated a PS2 emotion engine is, it just can't outperform a 733 p3 in real world situations.

Oh yeah, I suppose the PS2 can render high res textures with its 4mb vram. I see so many games with bump maps in them. :???: Or how about shader effects like water that most xbox can do easily? Every PS2/GG game I see still uses a pathetic fix function water effect.

Razor Blade

· #9 · Jan 24, 2005

Hey, in this battle graphics obviously weren't eveything. Look who won the console war. PS2. All you haters can yell all you want, but it's a fact ...Obviously you're an over-hyped M$ fanboy ... You need to cool down man. Oh and no offense but you're speaking out of your arse

xRock

· #10 · Jan 24, 2005

Quote: sims
I don't care how sophiscated a PS2 emotion engine is, it just can't outperform a 733 p3 in real world situations.

hahahaha he is talking out of his A$$. Games and REAL WORLD. Watch he is going to commit a crime and blame it on the game, "I was only taking supplies for Master Chief."

sims

· #11 · Jan 24, 2005

Razor Blade said:
Hey, in this battle graphics obviously weren't eveything. Look who won the console war. PS2. All you haters can yell all you want, but it's a fact ...Obviously you're an over-hyped M$ fanboy ... You need to cool down man. Oh and no offense but you're speaking out of your arse

I'm not saying graphics is all important. Just pointing out the simple fact that XBOX is the king in that area.

I personally own both xbox and PS2. Don't care for the GG though. I have no personal preference as far as which console I like the best. I think fanboys who can't afford to buy both and take sides are missing out.

Mind telling me where I'm wrong? I think all my points were pretty well known facts about each systems.

xRock

· #12 · Jan 24, 2005

GG??

Doesnt GG stand for Game Gear.

Razor Blade

· #13 · Jan 24, 2005

GC=Game Cube and also Game Gear, but since we are in the year 2005, I think GC means Game Cube now

I think fanboys who can't afford to buy both and take sides are missing out.

Mind telling me where I'm wrong? I think all my points were pretty well known facts about each systems.

Well affording to buy both isn't always an option for everyone

Let's just say I own an Xbox and it has about a 1 inch layer of dust on it

Simply the games don't appeal to me, so I never play it. If I want to play a game because I wanna pretend i'm a graphics wh0re, than I'll boot up my PC.

Wasn't saying you were necesarily wrong, but moreso, you weren't pointing out both sides of the story. Personally, as it may seem like I favour Sony, I really don't. I am simply stating the facts. GC has some fun games, and pretty decent graphics if you ask me, PS2 (well I covered that), and Xbox is definately the king in the graphics area, but has too much action games and not enough variety, or top notch AAA game titles.

xRock

· #14 · Jan 24, 2005

but GC != GG. GG = GameGear & GC =GameCube

Razor Blade

· #15 · Jan 24, 2005

Hehe, The G's and C's look so close sometimes XD

Kiroshi

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 24, 2005

I agree with Razor.

PS2 is without a doubt the winner in terms of which console has the best games. There are some graphic whores out there that LOVE particles and reflections (hope you people die... j/k) that would say Xbox is the greatest. I own the Xbox and my library consist's of 2 games... Halo and Halo 2

if it wasnt for that game I wouldnt own my xbox now.

In my opinion M$ should partner with Sega and create the DC2. If Sega has a hand in their development I would support it 100%

xRock

· #17 · Jan 24, 2005 (Edited)

my game for the Xbox would be Ninja Gaiden :thumb: everything else is going to come out for the PC :evil: . Other then that there is no reason for getting Xbox. If u need better graphics get a PC.

FLaRe85

· #18 · Jan 24, 2005

Please stay on topic. This topic was not started with the intent of debating over which console is best. There are threads already created for this.

Kiroshi

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jan 24, 2005

Well this seems crazy to me that M$ is launching by Xmas. I signed up to Xbox live just for H2 so now what? by xmas xbox 2 will be out and how long till xbox servers are dead?

Nintendo also needs to let out some info on their next system aswell, they need to peak the press's interest and get some hype going before their left in the shadows with a bad launch (Dreamcast?).

Kane

· #20 · Jan 24, 2005

>Well this seems crazy to me that M$ is launching by Xmas. I signed up to Xbox live just for H2 so now what? by xmas xbox 2 will be out and how long till xbox servers are dead?

Don't you think it woudl be in thier interest to make sure the servers are backwards compatible?

>Nintendo also needs to let out some info on their next system aswell, they need to peak the press's interest and get some hype going before their left in the shadows with a bad launch (Dreamcast?).

Liklihood is that other than the core of fans it'll be scoffed at regardless.

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