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I never intended this thread to become a political debate or a "science VS religeon" debate or a flame/spam war but I just find humanity's irony funny

most people would belive what thier leaders say whole heartly rather even if the hard evidence says otherwise
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&refer=columnist_berry&sid=aXFUrNBN46wk

A nation based on the idea of freedom from opression is looking more and more like the biggest opressors since Adolf Hitler
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1479040,00.html

The most scientificly advanced nation teaching what they want thire youth to belive instead of exploring further truth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4521157.stm

Religeon mixes with politics always turns bad but they never learn
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7769149/

Some people want to make themselves belive what they want to belive so much that they criticise things that is even remotely against what they belive and damage thire own cause
http://mythinc.joeuser.com/index.asp?c=1&aid=65528

if this turns into a flame war or spam war please close this thread
 

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Believe me man, things like you just pointed out frustrate me every day. Lately I've really been starting to fear for the fate of this country. Nearly all the principles it has been founded on have been compromised, and yet for various reasons the majority of people still want to keep moving in this direction. The one thing that still gives me hope these days, is the fact the America has been in worse binds than this, and yet we've still always managed to turn things around. I just wish that some people would realize how stuipid the things they are doing are before they do them.
 

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I had foreseen much of this coming in the late 80’s. How Ironic that we live in an age where information can travel faster then ever before yet most of the world is still ignorant or holds on to old outdated Ideas fears and prejudices.

But what is the solution? Perhaps the answer to that is far more frightening then future blights that loom in the distance…

This world must change socially, mentally and spiritually if things are to improve.
 

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I believe that society can and will change, but the change will be a slow one. If you look at things now, compared to 100 or 1000 years ago, you can clearly see that things have improved in countless ways. It's just that there are still so many problems left to solve, it does make things look rather bleak. But even if we have failed to meet the expectation of a perfect society for now, as long as things continue to improve there is always hope. The only thing that bugs me is that at the moment we seem to be backpedaling towards the dark ages in society, and that's never a good sign...
 

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Don't wanna be an American Idiot!

Hehe.

Seriously though, it doesn't matter. All the opinions in the world mean little unless there's action. And the people here are probably the least likely to take action. So, while it may be interesting, it doesn't mean anything to most people here, and likely to most people in the U.S., not to mention the world.
 

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I tend to agree with __Xzyx987X in general terms. Even though we still have a long way to go (provided the Singularity doesn’t happen first), we’ve advanced A LOT in the last hundred years or so.

Some people want to give this all up, and no, the religious right isn’t alone. There’re nutty leftists who think that science and technology is the root of evil, there’re radical environmentalists who think that relinquishing technology is the way to go, and there’re the religious right guys who think that using very advanced technology is playing god.

All these guys are foes of progress and civil liberties, and they want to send us back to the dark ages. They do this for various reasons: ignorance, arrogance, self-interest, blind belief… you name it.

Time and again I’ve shown evidence of the distortion of scientific facts by the Bush administration, and time and again I’ve been attacked by some of our conservative members.

All that you’ve posted is not new for me, since I’m a member of the Word Transhumanist Association, and we pay VERY CLOSE attention to scientific policy and issues that are important to transhuman values (like abortion rights).

But I still have hope in technology, because there’s really no way to contain it. If the USA lose their edge because of their badly chosen leaders, then so be it. Europe or Asia will make up for it (even if they’ve to actually hire many American researchers). I just hope that China don’t get too much power in the process, though.
 
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