[masta.g.86]

Yes, it seems Sony is gearing up to rerelease PS2 BC after they resolve some speed and compatibility issues. Maybe they should get in contact with the PCSX2 team. :/

Anyway, 60GB NTSC PS3 FTW!:thumb:

 

[masta.g.86]

Somehow I can't envision Sony being friendly with emulation authors if you consider what they did to Bleem! and the PSX emulator they bought out to prevent it from selling.

That was just a joke.

BTW this snippet doesn't sound good?

"It may instead indicate that Sony is going to start selling PlayStation 2 games on PSN, rather than letting gamers play the games they already have."

Sounds good enough to drive people into a frenzy. I can see Sony execs talking about this seriously in a board meeting until someone with a little common sense pops up and says that this is a stupid idea.

unlikely they will neuter PS2 disc support should they follow through with re-introducing backwards compatibility, but that is good that they are proposing to have games available for DL.

Agreed. PS2 games are still being actively developed by a few companies and many retail outlets still sell brand-new copies. If Sony can pull off software BC (and do it properly) there will be one more incentive to move up to a PS3. The PS3's upscaler for PS2 games looks really nice on all of the PS2 games that I've played on my PS3. I get hi-res graphics with better compatibility than PCSX2.

 

[masta.g.86]

Yes. I've tried out all of my old PS2 games and they all run flawlessly.

I've tried out a few of these same games on the 80GB software BC PS3 and ran into numerous problems with some of the games, hence my *and do it properly* remark.

 

[masta.g.86]

There was a nice little pie graph floating around that detailed about 60% of games ran fine while the other 40% had problems ranging from messed up graphics/sound to not even booting on the software BC units. I'd say PCSX2 is catching up quite nicely.

 

[masta.g.86]

I hate it when sites try and compare 2 pictures to each other by doing a screen cap and then putting the images "side by side". If one side is a screen cap @ 480i and the other is @ 1080p, then one of these pics was resized and doing so will introduce artifacts and bluriness (depending on the resize filter used). Who's to say that they only took a screen cap from the games as run on the PS2 and put a PhotoShop layer of half of the pic, adjusted the color a bit, and added some mild gaussian blurring? If they wanted an authentic comparison, both pics would have to be shown at 1:1.

Grrr... Anyway, from what I can see on my own system is that games have fewer "jaggies" but it doesn't become blurry at all. The game is just as "sharp" as when I run it with upscaling turned off. It's akin to running a game in PCSX2 in native and then cranking up the internal resolution.

Again, this is my experience with my hardware BC PS3.

 

[masta.g.86]

They did. See attachment pics.

No, those pics aren't 1:1.

I don't understand the last part of the sentence. Because the upscaler behaves in a totally different manner. It's more like using Pete's OGL2 plugin, use native internal resolution, hi-res output resolution, then apply HQ2/3X filter to 'smoothen' the jaggies. It is not the same as increasing internal resolution in PCSX2. If you observe the pics below, some edges do get smoothened out properly by the algorithm, while some parts don't. Dante's legs are okay, but the sword seem pretty f-ed up to me.

They are the same. In both plugins you can run a game at native resolution while setting your display resolution to something like 1600x1200. The game will not be become less "jaggy" by setting a high display resolution alone. In both cases, you must also increase the internal resolution as well, otherwise, you may as well just run the game with your display resolution matching your internal resolution.

If the HW emulation on your PS3 produces a different output, please say so because I'd definitely want to get an old PS3 instead of the newer ones next shopping season.

This is what I've been saying! It looks sharper on my PS3. I dunno about the SW BC units... Oh yeah, I had to buy mine off Amazon.com. The seller was selling it for $380 shipped while others were selling theirs for $800 or more. The HW BC units are fairly popular and difficult to come by these days.

 

[masta.g.86]

Once again, no. It's sharper than those shoddy screenshots. I've been making the comparison between the screenshots and what I actually see on my PS3.

i.e. screenshots vs. real PS3 not PCSX2 vs. real PS3

From what I see, upscaling turned on looks a lot better than the screenshots suggest, however it doesn't rival the visuals that can be achieved in PCSX2.

 

[masta.g.86]

Well you might get lucky like I did and find some random guy selling his on Amazon or eBay without knowing how much his 60GB is actually worth compared to the "newer" models.

My friend got his at a pawn shop for $450.

 

[masta.g.86]

I got mine off of Amazon. It has a fairly visible scratch on the right side. (courtesy of UPS)

The one my friend got at the pawn shop was flawless, except for a bunch of fingerprints. Nothing a little Pledge couldn't fix.

 

[masta.g.86]

It's OK Pickle!

I was referring to the pics on the site. Even those aren't 1:1. If they were, the 480i/480p pics would be at 640x480 and the upscaled pics would be at 1280x720 or 1920x1080.

I think the pics were taken with a camera on a tripod and then cropped and resized. This makes for a bad comparison when their article's major focus is the comparison pics. Ideally, a capture device that accepts HDMI is the way to go.