[blueshogun96]

*facepalm*

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I hope I got this link right. It's actually a video on msnbc. Not really into this source of news, but it was on my MSN messenger headline. Even though the manager clearly knew that the girl was a 14 year old high school freshmen, she was still allowed to dance. The girl had a fake stripping licence and a fake ID, but according to the Detroit police chief, that was no excuse. The strip club manager is going to be facing time if convicted; I hate to say it, but it serves him right if he actually new.

350 USD a night is what she made. That's more than what I make at my new job! oO Even though I find the porno industry degrading, women have it so easy when it comes to making money it feels like (but of course, I'd rather make a living the honourable way)! But still, who can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and a 20 year old girl these days? Having a kid dancing on my lap like that is just sick... :spy:

 

[cottonvibes]

i don't think its right to blame the manager.

its the girl who went in with her own free-will to do this.
it is the parent's fault for raising a slut daughter.

i am sick of hearing the wrong people being persecuted for these cases.
that man should get his strip-club closed down, but i don't think he deserves 20 years in jail because this girl came in looking for a job.
not only that, she actively lied about her age and got a fake dancing card in order to do this.
she knew full-well what she was doing, all the guy did was say "okay".

 

[masta.g.86]

Children don't have rights and are not held accountable under the law. (normally)

 

[Hard core Rikki]

That manager still knowingly let her to be employed. Looks cant be faked, and unless she's german (!), she must've reasonably looked her age.
Thats not worth carceral terms though, but see if people will care about him just because he didnt say no. Next thing you know, people might actually call for the electric chair. A license suspension would be normal to expect, as this has to do not with any specific manager, but a facility's employment policy.

Dont mind the stakeburning attitudes, its common to push blames on those who did not take a more activist stance against child labor, especially in fields like these.

 

[-StrikE-]

350 USD a night is what she made. That's more than what I make at my new job! oO Even though I find the porno industry degrading, women have it so easy when it comes to making money it feels like (but of course, I'd rather make a living the honourable way)!

This one had it easy and so is true for many but not all, there is this thing called the "meat market" or whatever is called in english where they do "sell" a woman's body for pleasure but life like that is hell.

But still, who can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and a 20 year old girl these days?

You need to get out more... there some pretty "developed" girls out there and the vice-versa also applies...

On the rest i'm share the same opinion as Cotton on this one except for the blaming it on the parent bit.

 

[raksmey1309]

hmmm the social is getting corrupt everyday i feel bad.

 

[bleh bleh bleh]

350 USD a night is what she made. That's more than what I make at my new job! Even though I find the porno industry degrading, women have it so easy when it comes to making money it feels like (but of course, I'd rather make a living the honourable way)!

men sells booty too.

its the girl who went in with her own free-will to do this.
it is the parent's fault for raising a slut daughter.

what!? since when is it the parents fault when the child is the one doing the wrong thing. other's should not be held accountable for your actions, you are.

That manager still knowingly let her to be employed. Looks cant be faked, and unless she's german (!), she must've reasonably looked her age.

hm.. no, some people just dont look their age.

 

[-StrikE-]

what!? since when is it the parents fault when the child is the one doing the wrong thing. other's should not be held accountable for your actions, you are.

They can be blamed & be responsible for there kids behavior... i'd say till around the age of 12 but not for a 14 year old...

 

[Hard core Rikki]

They knew her age. What's the defense there?
Kids still look and talk like kids. Adults that couldnt tell the difference between 14 and 18-21yo could be either in denial or lying. Lets assume the manager was a naive undiscerning fool. Surely there wouldve been at least one sober customer who wouldve noticed or wondered if she wasnt too young.

Then again, depravity isnt really something uncommon. Can we say pedos?

 

[-StrikE-]

Although i don't know how things evolved in that case, i beg to differ on this:

Kids still look and talk like kids. Adults that couldnt tell the difference between 14 and 18-21yo could be either in denial or lying.

The way some girls act its impossible to tell. I seen many 26 year old acting like a 14 year old full of impressions like she just hit puberty (actually i even seen 37 year olds like that), seen 21 year old she looked no more then a 14 year old as for the way she acted you couldn't tell her age by that, seen a 15 year old (yeah one year more then the set discussed age but..) the way she acted (and looked) and the maturity she showed made her seem 23-24. Seen a 12 year old looking like an 17ish-19ish year old super babe. With women you never know for sure you might be walking with a jail bait and don't even know it... points towards this as well: http://forums.ngemu.com/open-discus...y-leave-france-without-solid-soccer-team.html.

 

[cottonvibes]

what!? since when is it the parents fault when the child is the one doing the wrong thing. other's should not be held accountable for your actions, you are.

if you were raised a certain way, you will act that way.
a good parent doesn't raise a 14 year old stripper.

They knew her age. What's the defense there?
Kids still look and talk like kids.

if that were true, then the girl wouldn't be going in to the strip club in the first place.

kids don't care about sex and are ignorant of it.
when you start to be aware of such things, and being sexually active of your own will, then that's when you start crossing the line of being a kid.

i consider kids and children innocent.
if a 14 year old is actively going to a club, and stripping and dancing for money, then i would not call that a child.

not everyone matures at the same rate, so you cant just consider age as the definitive factor on determining a child.

 

[-StrikE-]

Had a 15-16 year old hooker schoolmate btw...

 

[bleh bleh bleh]

if you were raised a certain way, you will act that way.
a good parent doesn't raise a 14 year old stripper.

bull****, if you think that parents are what determines what the children will be like, then you're wrong.

 

[-StrikE-]

I agree, seen children with more then just a proper education gone bad, really bad and seen kids with horrific parenting education who turned out excellent people.

 

[cottonvibes]

bull****, if you think that parents are what determines what the children will be like, then you're wrong.

:lol:

there is a huge debate psychologist have on "nature versus nurture".
the idea of how much traits we inherit from birth or genetically, and how much traits are learned through personal experience (which largely includes parental upbringing).

your statement is completely wrong in that you dismiss the 'nature' aspect completely (as parents give birth to children who inherit their genetics, so if you omit parents from the equation then you omit the whole nature side of the argument).

furthermore you dismiss a large portion of the 'nurture' side, as parents indeed play a huge role in the upbringing of a child.
children are genetically predisposed to believe the words of authority-like figures, which is primarily their parents.


but it looks like its not worth debating this with you.
when people start using cuss-words, it means they don't have anything useful to say and are therefore incapable of holding an intelligent conversation.

 

[Xblade]

bull****, if you think that parents are what determines what the children will be like, then you're wrong.

:lol:



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They knew her age. What's the defense there?
Kids still look and talk like kids. Adults that couldnt tell the difference between 14 and 18-21yo could be either in denial or lying. Lets assume the manager was a naive undiscerning fool. Surely there wouldve been at least one sober customer who wouldve noticed or wondered if she wasnt too young.

Then again, depravity isnt really something uncommon. Can we say pedos?

If only that were true, a 14 year old girl is hardly any different physically from an 18 year old one.
This girl, a girlfriend of a friend was 14 when she took this picture.

These two girls are 18 years old (in my senior class)

Major difference? Make up.

And seriously, if you could just a persons age by how mature they acted................its just bad idea.

 

[@ruantec]

kids don't care about sex and are ignorant of it.
when you start to be aware of such things, and being sexually active of your own will, then that's when you start crossing the line of being a kid.

i consider kids and children innocent.
if a 14 year old is actively going to a club, and stripping and dancing for money, then i would not call that a child.

Sadly i have to dissagree there... it is true that parents have some fault on the matter but sometimes there are situations where parents have just to work to live and in that way they do not have enough time for there childrens... sometimes they do have time and do all they can but some childrens get into bad things because they hear this or that from other friends or even the TV, Internet etc.

as for childrens being innocent or not care about sex etc. am going to give you an example of myself. my parents were very Religious(my dad Buddhist and mom catholic) sex in our home was not a topic we ever hear and TV shows weren't as they are today. still i had my first sex experience with just 6 and am not going to go into detail but you better not know how many things i did just following my instinct so to say and in that way i had sex with few girls of my naighborhood.

My mom cought me several times and me and few of those girls were punished for that but it didn't stop me from going further and finding new ways to satisfy them and even girls far older than me at a later time... the thing is i saw them in a very different way as other childs... i saw them as a fragil-beautifull-human that attracted me in a way no other thing could and that's something i can't explain why.

i somehow feel ashame for my past but i can't change it.. with that i want to show you that some kids just come to ideas no-one would ever think they could.

 

[Dennemark]

Ive always looked older than i really am, and im a boy for heaven's sake. It must be something of my generation...

To go stripping and making 350 bucks a night go unnoticed. That kid's smart. I don't think the parents did a good job, but in the end, whose parents DO perform well ?

 

[Xblade]

Ive always looked older than i really am, and im a boy for heaven's sake. It must be something of my generation...

To go stripping and making 350 bucks a night go unnoticed. That kid's smart. I don't think the parents did a good job, but in the end, whose parents DO perform well ?

If I were a girl and lived next to a strip club, I'd never be on the streets. :evil:

 

[-StrikE-]

there is a huge debate psychologist have on "nature versus nurture".
the idea of how much traits we inherit from birth or genetically, and how much traits are learned through personal experience (which largely includes parental upbringing).

your statement is completely wrong in that you dismiss the 'nature' aspect completely (as parents give birth to children who inherit their genetics, so if you omit parents from the equation then you omit the whole nature side of the argument).

furthermore you dismiss a large portion of the 'nurture' side, as parents indeed play a huge role in the upbringing of a child.
children are genetically predisposed to believe the words of authority-like figures, which is primarily their parents.


but it looks like its not worth debating this with you.
when people start using cuss-words, it means they don't have anything useful to say and are therefore incapable of holding an intelligent conversation.

Genetics is to abstract at the moment ( i mean in the current stages of scientific understanding) to be taken into consideration. Still bare in mind there are two different genetic strings merging creating something new of course some traits may be similar (mostly physical not even that happens all the time), but psychic wise the human mind is to complex at least atm to have a theory or be categorized based solely on genetics.

A parents education does leave an impact on a child one way or the other but the part where (note the bolded part):

children are genetically predisposed to believe the words of authority-like figures, which is primarily their parents.

Well that tends to change after children hit puberty, they become more self aware and can easily be distracted by what seems to them more appropriate for a role model or an "authority-like figure" (yup they can mix this up). In other words based on a child's personality all the good hard work you pulled raising him properly can go down the drain in an instant.