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Back in the day, I had a Voodoo3. That was a nice card. The choice was easy. Use lewpy's plugin.

Then I had to trade for a Riva TNT. I never did like it all that much, because it was so much slower than my Voodoo3. I started using Pete's OpenGL, and that worked fine.

Now I have a blasted KYRO. I am seriously thinking about putting the TNT back in, or begging to get my Voodoo back. Nut at any rate, Pete's D3D and OpenGL don't work. I am stuck with Software.

I have tried a few other plugins, and I have found that some of them aren't too bad. Nik's most of all. It has issues, but I can live with them if I could get it to run at the proper speed. I have fps limitation on, but it still runs at about 100 fps. That is unbearable. Can anyone help me with that? I don't know how to slow it down. Pete's plugins always worked fine for that.

Also, does anyone know the best alternative to Pete of Lewpy's plugins?
 

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Did you download the most recent drivers for Kyro? They're supposed to improve performance considerably...
 

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I am using

Directx 8.1
Driver rev 8.162 (latest build)
Hercules 3D Prophet 4000XT

My problem is not performance however. My problem is that the game runs EXCELLENT for about a minute (usually), then starts providing a garbled picture, then freezes altogether, requiring a hard reboot. The problem is that the Kyro just does not like Pete's plugins. The problem above describes the D3D plugin. The OpenGL plugin freezes also, but the main problem is that it just doesnt run as fast as the D3D plugin, and the picture is nowhere near as nice. Right now I just want an alternative. The pickings are pretty slim though.
 

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I don't think there's a real solution to your problem here.... a lot of other members with Kyro cards have to deal with software renderer at this point. So you only really have two choices: get your old video card back (the TNT or the V3), or try alternative Ogl/D3d plugin (NickK's OGL, Segu's D3D, etc).... but these are either discontinued or at early stages of development, so you might see visual artifacts here and there.
 

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uhn? A Kyro, HAHAHAHAHA!! :D :D :D :D :cry: <-laughing to tears
Ahh, I think i'll change my description to Nuts, it when i get the custom description that is, in the mean time... A Kyro, HAHAHAHAHA :D :D.

Ok, now back to the thread (don't take it seriously), as kairi00 said, the plugins that are available as alternates are either descontinued or in early stage if compared to Lewpy's and Pete's plugins. But you can try the Impact D3D (or opengl) and Kazzuya's plugin too.
I recommend you sell that card to someone that don't know PSX emulation and get a good (Tested) one, like a GF2PRO/GTS
 

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Bah...Kyros are good cards for PC games (What they are designed for) they just aren't PSX emu savy.. Heres a thought...GLdirect!!! The OPENGL to direct3d wrapper from scitech, it's possible it could cure your problem and let you use pete's openGL plugin (While using d3d on the card)
I don't think anyione has tried this yet and it could be the solution.
 

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yeah my kyro2 works like a charm on any pc game or emulator i
tryed just the psx emulation with pete`s plugins
have this problems :mad: . try the kyro2 with any pc game like quake3 and max payne and and she would beat your damn geforce 2!:mg:

@ dpence : have you tried that GLdirect thing and does it work ?
 

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Actually I hate just about everything about the card. My favorite games do not work well with it, and the only reason I bought it was because it was cheap. A GeForce2 would have been double the price. I am kicking myself now.

Games that have problems:

Jane's USAF (Unreadable MFDs, unplayable)
Metal Gear Solid (Ninja Effect. Looks ugly, and is slow)
ePSXe (software only. Ugly, slow)
3D Mark 2001 (slow, and ugly)

Games that I have tried that worked:

Rainbow Six
Need For Speed
Soldier of Fortune
Quake III (I don't like that game)

My favorite games all suck with this card.

But my problem right now is that the other plugins just run WAY too fast. Does anyone know how to slow them down?
 

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Nick's is the one I am currently working with. It runs at about 100fps, even with frame rate limitation.
 

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Ninja: Where did you enabled Framerate Limit on Nikk's plugin? There's no option for that in it. You can try to set your monitor refresh to 60hz and use the Vsync option in that plugin (that it has).
 

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My mistake, run DXdiag and on the more help tab, click on the override button and set 60 on the field, then click ok and exit and it will be limited.
 

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I'm sorry. I said Nik's, when I meant Segu's. I tried changing the refresh rate, but it didn't help. The plugin reports that it is running at about 35fps, but it is actually running at about 100. I simply cannot explain this behavior.

At any rate, I will play with it some more tomorrow. I am tired and need sleep right now. Thanks for all your help everyone.
 

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oh yes, and it is on all games. I tested it with several. And I changed both the direct draw refresh rate in the dxdiag tool, and the monitor refresh rate in the display control panel.
 

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Kyro and it's problems

Well here is the deal with the Kyro.

I think ST Microelectronics made the error of developing all the drivers for the Kyro internally. It's anoying because as a linux user I want the darn card, but I can't use it because... (drum roll) I have to sign an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) to just LOOK at programing for the hardware. This means NO OPEN SOURCE. I think they would better server there purposes to allow people to look at the programing archetecture instead of putting out a product without proper drivers.

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You're probably best getting a couple of Voodo2 or Voodoo3 cards and linking them together with a SLI cable. ePSXe should run OK with them. Or you could try to get a TNT2 like I have. That works fine with my games, and exceedingly well with ePSXe. It should be cheap enough now. The best plugin to use if you get a TNT2 is probably Pete's D3D. Hope that helps a bit. Of course, if you don't mind splashing out a bit, get a GeForce 2 or 3. I've been told they work well with PSX and n64 emulators.
 

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Originally posted by Cosmic3K
You're probably best getting a couple of Voodo2 or Voodoo3 cards and linking them together with a SLI cable. ePSXe should run OK with them. Or you could try to get a TNT2 like I have. That works fine with my games, and exceedingly well with ePSXe. It should be cheap enough now. The best plugin to use if you get a TNT2 is probably Pete's D3D. Hope that helps a bit. Of course, if you don't mind splashing out a bit, get a GeForce 2 or 3. I've been told they work well with PSX and n64 emulators.
Voodoo3 doesn't support SLI. Only Voodoo2 have this feature.
I wouldn't go for a TNT2 now. There are far better cards, and their price is not much different from TNT2. I don't know about you, but most people have better performance with Pete's OpenGL.
 
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