P3-800 to P3-1.1Ghz... to be or not to be ;)

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kairi00

Discussion Starter · Dec 10, 2001

Hi friendly Ngemu residents,

Has anyone seen any articles/benchmarks on the gigahertz P3-Coppermine (*not* Tualatin) processors? I want to see whether it's worth doing this minor upgrade on my system, to make it last longer.... plus the coppermine is at the end of its lifespan, so hopefully there'll be more price drop in the foreseeable future

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ebola

· #2 · Dec 11, 2001

well i had a celly at 950 mhz and i upgraded to a p3 that i have at 1240 mhz. yea there is a big difference. the 1.1 is oem only so there is no warrenty on the chip after 30 days or something. my p3 is the 1000E cdo (100fsb) which came out at about the same time as the 1.1.

now if your 800 was an E chip (100fsb) and you go to the 1.1 then there is a big difference. now if you have a 800 EB (133fsb) the difference will still be big but not as much so.

Zephon

· #3 · Dec 11, 2001

I'd say wait a bit more, save a little money and get an Athlon XP. It's worth it. The upgrade you're talking about would make your pc a bit faster, but nothing that would last a long time. Save the money for an Athlon.

ebola

· #4 · Dec 11, 2001

Originally posted by Zephon
I'd say wait a bit more, save a little money and get an Athlon XP. It's worth it. The upgrade you're talking about would make your pc a bit faster, but nothing that would last a long time. Save the money for an Athlon.

haha. why. he already has a p3 motherboard and sdram. $150 for a good upgrade that will make the computer run pretty fast is a good deal. plus he can sell the p3 800 and he's only spent about $80 to upgrade.

if you base your processor assessments on sandra PR scores then my pc tops a 1.2 thunderbird.

its about a $600-700 investment to switch over. new motherboard, new ram, new big copper heatsink, new power supply, new chip. and athlons mhz for mhz are about on par with the p3. the p4 is where there is a major difference in favor of the athlon.

do the math. the p3 1.1 is a good investment.

kairi00

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 11, 2001 (Edited)

Thanks for the suggestions d00ds

Hmm... what I currently have is a [email protected] so yes, that's a P3-800EB

The reason I'm tempted to do this upgrade is that I noticed a HUGE difference when jumping from 600 to 800, and I'm hoping the jump to 1Ghz (or possibly more, depending on overclockability) will turbocharge my system a little bit more..... squeeze a lil bit more frames from my games.

Now the next question... I got a GeForce2MX...if I upgrade the processor, looks like another video card upgrade is in order

[edit] ebola: have you tried bumping up the FSB to 133? Theoretically you could get 1.33Ghz by doing that, but of course that depends on stability...

ebola

· #6 · Dec 11, 2001

I have a BX board so pushing the fsb to 133 is almost not an option. there are only two choices for agp divder on the bx boards. 1 and 2/3. also i have read several reviews about how my board (abit's bx6 rev 2) gets flakey above 129 fsb. I can do 129 but it requires a lot of voltage.

the chances of getting 1333 out of the 1000E cdo is about 50/50. you will most likely be able to overclock 200-300 mhz with this or the 1.1. slightly less on the 1.1.

the celeron 3 (tualatin) is probably the best buy from intel right now. a lot of people with the 1.2 ghz celeron tualatin are getting 1500-1600mhz. your motherboard might not support it though. it is essentially a p3 coppermine. it has a 256k cahche lie the p3 cu-mine.

kairi00

Discussion Starter · #7 · Dec 11, 2001

Theoretically, my MoBo (Abit VT6X4... ughh) supports up to 150MHz FSB, with the proper AGP divider settings. However, I'm not gonna ask for too much... 133MHz is good enuff

I think I might opt for the 1000E instead of the 1.1.... there's one here for $249 CAD, which translates to $166 US.... worth it? I know it's not the cheapest price out there, but at least the store is reliable

kairi00

Discussion Starter · #8 · Dec 12, 2001

Oh yeah, ebola and Zephon, thanks for your inputs and suggestions

Esma

· #9 · Dec 13, 2001

Hmmm... I also have a question.

I have an outdated computer and I'm going to upgrade it pretty soon.

My current spec
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Asus P2b mobo rev. 1012
PIII [email protected]
ATI Rage IIc
320 sdram
Sound Baster Live
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This computer is fairly old but I want to upgrade it so I could improve my game performance. I want to Overclock my P3 450mhz to 600mhz. And upgrade my graphic card to a geforce MX/400. Thats all the I thought of. Any more suggestion??? I would upgrade my mobo but I don't want to spend too much money on computers. But if you think its really neccessary to upgrade my mobo for a good boast on the game preformence than I'll upgrade it. And if so than what Mobo would you recommend me to get??? I have about $150-100 to spend on the mobo. Thanks for the help.

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Takmadeus

· #10 · Dec 13, 2001

well, let me say it softly.......

AAAATTTTHHHHLLLLOOOONNNN XXXXXXPPPPPP!!!!!!

hope you understood.....

Shiori

· #11 · Dec 13, 2001

yo, tak, wanna sell him one?

Esma

· #12 · Dec 13, 2001

Hmm... How about

No!

J/k I just feel like the P3 is rigth for me. Thats all, nothing against Atlon.

Zephon

· #13 · Dec 13, 2001

Esma, I think your PIII is not a Coppermine(I forgot the name of the PIII non-coppermine), since it's only 450MHz. I dunno if it's safe to overclock it to 600MHz, unless you have a VERY good cooling system. btw, r u going to change your FSB to what? maybe the memory won't support such overclock. Does your mobo support voltage setting? My mobo(I'm using PII, but it supports PIII Non-Coppermine, too) doesn't allow me to change the voltage, so I can't overclock much higher than 50MHz. I really think a mobo upgrade is necessary. btw, if you change you mobo, probably you'll have to buy a new cpu, too, since I don't think any new mobo supports PIII non-Coppermine(please, somone tell me its name!).

sonicfoot

· #14 · Dec 13, 2001

mmm....... what differance would there be if i had upgraded from my 700MHz celey to a P3 833MHz?

this really belongs to a post i made earlier but am typing this in college right now so i gotta be quick.

Zephon

· #15 · Dec 13, 2001

Originally posted by sonicfoot
mmm....... what differance would there be if i had upgraded from my 700MHz celey to a P3 833MHz?
this really belongs to a post i made earlier but am typing this in college right now so i gotta be quick.

P3 are much better than Celeron cpus. I'd say that a P3 833MHz can compete with a Celeron 1GHz. This is mainly due to PIII's cache that is bigger than Celeron's.

ebola

· #16 · Dec 13, 2001

zephon is right. p3 is noticibly faster than the celly 2. the old p3's were called katami i believe. 600mhz was the max core speed and its hard to hit with one of these.

takmadeus if your willing to buy me a new rig i'll switch. you missed the point. once you already have the parts its awefully expensive to switch.

Esma

· #17 · Dec 15, 2001

Hey Zehon,

I think its possible to change my 450mhz to 600mz. I check at www.overclockers.com and I saw a system with the same mother broad as I do and he successfuly overclock his 450 to 600mhz without losing its stabilty. I would buy a new mobo but I'll just save up for a new comp. But that will take a while so thats why I'm trying to fix my comp. up.

ebola

· #18 · Dec 15, 2001

Originally posted by Esma
Hey Zehon,

I think its possible to change my 450mhz to 600mz. I check at www.overclockers.com and I saw a system with the same mother broad as I do and he successfuly overclock his 450 to 600mhz without losing its stabilty. I would buy a new mobo but I'll just save up for a new comp. But that will take a while so thats why I'm trying to fix my comp. up.

your chances are slim. just because someone has a 450 chip that goes 600 mhz doesnt mean they all do. also when you overclock a chip to its limits and yes 600 is the limit of that chip bad things can happen like instability in programs. people may say rock solid in the database but usually its not rock solid in all apps. if your motherboard supports it it would be a better idea to go pick up a faster celleron.

I've had 4 different intel chips in my current motherboard and a whole variety of different results.

Zephon

· #19 · Dec 15, 2001

I agree with ebola. If someone can make a 450 reach 600, it does not mean that you can do it too. You have to consider the cooling system that the guy was using, his mobo, and other factors. Try slowly overclocking until you get the perfect setting(maximum overclock without loosing stability).

Xeven

· #20 · Dec 15, 2001

the quality of the chips vary as well, and may also differ according to the manufacturing location..

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