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Hi folks... as you can tell I've been busy for the last 6 weeks, trying to salvage the old case from the Celeron (2.4 Northwood) and make some use out of it...

if you don't know me my main pc is "The Beast" E8600/Rampage Formula, 9800GTX etc.... but most of you do...

I decided to give the old Celeron some new life so for just over 400 Canadian I put in a really cheap but overclockable build with todays more current technology...

I gave it this:

E2160 Pentium Dual Core CPU @ 1.8 GHZ
2 GB Corsair Dominator 1066 (The other one that I wasn't using)
DFI LanParty X48 T2RSB Plus Motherboard
and a Radeon 3650 512 GDDR 2 Graphics card

Like I said this was cheap so I wasn't expecting much, but it pretty much kicks the ass of the OLD CELERON (Single Netburst 478 CPU)...and believe it or not can play PCSX 2....ok.....just ok....

Certainly better than the old single core that used to occupy the ATX case....
It actuallly looks pretty good for an old salvaged build...it has a blue UV cathode, a GREEN 80mm LED Fan and the phosphorescent parts of the DFI board glowing also.....

This was absolutely the cheapest I could do a dual core build for..and it was just over 400 Canadian...for a full system....

It has Vista 64 (a used copy of my Dad's) an old LiteOn 8x DVD Burner, an Enermax 465 Watt Powersupply and the old WDJ1600 160 GB Hard drive.....

I'm telling you this because for a cheap ass system I got some speeds comparable to my otherone (or at least in the same range)...like 3.33 GHZ for example...

For thoise of you who (and I won't mention you) who said I had no experience, I am happy to report that I now do....with two x48 boards thus far and two dual core cpu's...

This DFI board is an absolute monster at overclocking... I didn't need any vcore or nb increase to get the chip from 1.8 ghz to 3.0 GHZ ON THE STOCK COOLER and all the while the little chip stayed between 26-32 Celcius... The northbridge has never even been as hot as the one in my E8600 build and required very little Voltage increase for 400 FSB right out of the box....and stayed under 42 Celcius even at the highest voltage used....

I Now, would personally Recommend DFI LanParty maybe equal to or even over Asus X48 Rampage...because for the few bucks I spent, I got an Hell of a clock speed...

An 87% overclock and a 100% overclock of the chips stock FSB of 200 (400)

I tested it for PCSX2 and in orthos and it was 100% stable..... and did I mention, even with the ****ty GDDR 2 graphics card it can play PCSX 2?????

Sometimes you do get a break...in price anyway....


This has been a fun project, and I will now do some testing and maybe work on another one later...but for now...

By the Way:

PCSX2 Playground:
40-60 fps
35-40 in game all around (@ 3.33 GHZ)
and 35-60 during loading...

The lowest frame I ever saw on this little pc was 26, but it was very brief....

Some benchmarks my son......






I'm back on the Beast now (3.33 GHZ E8600) cause I can't get the LAN to work for some reason... oh well... you can't have it all.....

PS: Phil was right - apparently the hardware bug bit me right in the ASS.....

the moral is here - a decent gaming system can be had for cheap

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Mmm hmmm... not bad at all. :) I mean... that's awesome for a personal record. Last time I tried to do the same thing, the motherboard could not hold out for too long. :dead:

Now maybe if you can try to do the same on a lesser motherboard, it would be quite fun? Who knows, you may be able to find a new gem that is more affordable. ;)
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Thanks runaway..... I didn't say it could play it well, but just play it...sort of decently...although there is lag here and there...but nothing like when I was trying to fool myself that the Celeron Northwood could do it...

It's fluid and smooth with full frames rendered and not skipped....

I don't know about a lesser motherboard...maybe a p35 but not one of those nforce once...i hear they're terrible overclockers.....

Incidently I was able to make use of the dominator fan from the "beast" and took a coathanger and hung it next to the North and Southbridge and the temps of the chipset dropped from 43 Celcius to 36 instantly... The Dominator fan by default is 5000 rpm...

Not bad for a 70.00 CPU versus a 400.00 one.....
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Actually, as a personal note of reference, I did get a E2140 to about 3.0GHz using the most low-end of the nForce 7 chipset (the 730). :) It was a Gigabyte GA-73PVM-S2H IIRC...

Definitely not bad at all for such a low-end board. You should try it out sometimes, too.
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Gameman said:
This DFI board is an absolute monster at overclocking... I didn't need any vcore or nb increase to get the chip from 1.8 ghz to 3.0 GHZ ON THE STOCK COOLER and all the while the little chip stayed between 26-32 Celcius...
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This has to do way more with the CPU, not so much the board.

Also, are you still assuming Auto means stock?

1.4V for 400MHz FSB isn't anything terribly special, especially for only one RAM module. My X38 does 450MHz FSB at the same 1.4V (1.39V set in BIOS) with two RAM modules.

For CPUs, "stock" is harder to define. Is it what voltage it runs at default speed at "Auto"? If so, what about some boards that need more or less on Auto? Is the VID? If so, is the upper or lower one? People never give details when they say "it does this much higher at stock". The values it's doing 3.2GHz are decent, so I can see how good the end result is, but I'd just like to toss this idea out and see what you're considering "stock" here.

Still, those are nice results, but nothing out of this world. I did the same exact thing that I quoted you on above. I took that same CPU to 3.0GHz, and this was on a cheap $59 G31 Gigabyte board with stock cooling a year ago. I never tried higher, but it most certainly would have gone at least a little higher. I'd like to try, but I sold it to my friend, so I can't risk messing with it anymore. Still, those temperatures and voltages are nice (though it'd be nicer to see results given by, say, Everest or something less proprietary, since OEM software is known to be less accurate in general).

By the way, I was expecting to come into this thread and see the E8600 at 4.9GHz or higher.
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Stress test it for at least 8 hours. Post screenshots if it survives. Can't call it a successful overclock until you do that.
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Lord Zedeck said:
By the way, I was expecting to come into this thread and see the E8600 at 4.9GHz or higher.
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That may come eventually - If I went with the water someday I could probably get to 5.0.....but I just wanted a cheap setup to playa round with for now...I plan to give this DFI Lan Party the Q9650 if it comes down a little more since most of the quads tested on it can get over 470 fsb MINIMUM.... with the c2d's it tends to get 560-570..at least over at Xtreme and a few other places....

I may even put the E8600 in it to see if I could get a better OC than on the Rampage...but I don't wanna be handling a 450.00 chip..... Christ... Just handling the 70.00 one made me nervous.......

Anyways we'll see...

Basically I just wanted to see how cheaply a gaming system could be built for....

Plus I've always been curious about DFI....

My third build is gonna be done with that Gigabyte UD3P/UD3R I was talking to Devin about 2 months ago..... but that's not for a few month's yet....

I'm just surprised I haven't yet hit that proverbial "fsb wall" that other users keep complaining about.... yet anyway....

The real trouble is gonna be keeping that Northbridge cool......

But We'll see....

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Stress test it for at least 8 hours. Post screenshots if it survives. Can't call it a successful overclock until you do that.
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In the real world, exactly what would I be doing that could concievably require 8 hours of FULL LOAD?????

I think that's overkill..unless you're going for 100% perfection....

All I know is it played about 40 minutes of PCSX2 without crashing.....

which is about the most I could stand to play anyway......

There'll be more to come mate...i just started overclocking this chip today....
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In the real world, exactly what would I be doing that could concievably require 8 hours of FULL LOAD?????
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It's a stress test fool. Any stock CPU should be able to run 100% 24/7. If your overclock can't handle 8 hours, it's not considered stable.

Also, ONE period at the end of your sentences is sufficient enough.
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Gameman said:
In the real world, exactly what would I be doing that could concievably require 8 hours of FULL LOAD?????

I think that's overkill..unless you're going for 100% perfection....

All I know is it played about 40 minutes of PCSX2 without crashing.....

which is about the most I could stand to play anyway......

There'll be more to come mate...i just started overclocking this chip today....
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PCSX2 really doesn't push the CPU now as much as it used to.

Forget Orthos now, there's been posts popping up here and there pointing out a flaw with it.

Try Prime95. That really pushes your system.
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Gee I'll really try hard to remember that!!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Anyways...if I get a chance I'll stress test it...but not for 8 hours maybe two if I'm lucky cause that's the longest I could really see myself using the computer at 100% load..
Seriously....

This B.S. with some users over at Xtreme getting "golden cPU" that only requires 1.32 vcore and can do 4.6 GHZ 24/7 Orthose stable is a load of pure B.S. ...... Straight from the cow's ass.....Either A) they're making it up, or B) they work for Intel or C) They paid big bucks above and beyond the normal for that cpu... Cause that ain't normal

As long as it's 2 hours stable or heck even ONE I'll be happy cause most of the time it's only 40 to 60% load if I'm lucky or multi-tasking... and on the E8600 it's even less....

But you do have some point, so I'll test for an hour or two....

Thanks for the input.....

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PCSX2 really doesn't push the CPU now as much as it used to.

Forget Orthos now, there's been posts popping up here and there pointing out a flaw with it.

Try Prime95. That really pushes your system.
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FLAW?????

I've never used prime....I thought it was the same thing, just not by Johnny or whoever the hell he was....

oops....
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Gameman said:
Gee I'll really try hard to remember that!!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Anyways...if I get a chance I'll stress test it...but not for 8 hours maybe two if I'm lucky cause that's the longest I could really see myself using the computer at 100% load..
Seriously....
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Do you not get it? It's not about duplicating real world usage. It's about exposing potential instability now so it doesn't become a problem later. Run a stress test overnight.
It also doesn't hurt to prove that your OC isn't a bunch of BS to the people you're trying to boast to on a forum. If I don't see a stress test, I don't take your OC seriously. Any monkey can crank their fsb long enough to take a screenshot of CPU-Z and wag their epeen around on the internet to those who don't know any better.
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do you not get it? It's not about duplicating real world usage. It's about exposing potential instability now so it doesn't become a problem later. Run a stress test overnight.
It also doesn't hurt to prove that your oc isn't a bunch of bs to the people you're trying to boast to on a forum. If i don't see a stress test, i don't take your oc seriously. Any monkey can crank their fsb long enough to take a screenshot of cpu-z and wag their epeen around on the internet to those who don't know any better.
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+100

Not to mention that's not much of a feat. I can run my E4300 at 3.2GHz no problem, with only a minor increase in voltage (+.1125v). ;)
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hoho......

whoaaa....now I've heard from the great one....

Now that I've heard from YOU my day is complete....

Like I said I'm giving it a Q9650 ina few months...this is just for testing...
I wanna see if this board can really do 570 fsb to 600 fsb like they've been saying about over on extreme....

haven't tried it yet.... but 1600 fsb for a 1.8 chip that was only 70.00 is a hell of a good deal in my opinion...since it was only supposed to be 800 (on th box))

By the way mate - I ain't waving anything around... If I was YOU'D KNOW IT....
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Wait, so you haven't been doing that in here?

Seriously. You talk as if achieving these overclocks takes skill. It doesn't. We all know you can, as most of us here can too.
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Now now guys, be nice. :)

And Gameman, truth is... you won't be getting that much with a quad-core CPU. No motherboard has been able to get that much even under LN2. Some got to about 550MHz for a quad-core before they either:

1) Don't boot.
2) Die.

The prior happens more nowadays thanks to fail-safe, but seriously, please do take that into considerations. :)

Another thing is that overclocking a dual-core processor proves... well, much easier than overclocking a quad-core processor. But I encourage the efforts, and would love to see you produce better results on higher-binned processors. Just that... it's not going to prove much at this point if you use a $70 processor, because you'll bump into the processor's limit before the board. ;)

Last but not least, like I said before, you might want to consider switching to a more affordable alternative so that when there are consequences, they won't be too dire and you still have insurance for another system. Plus such a board is way too overkill. Even world records are not made on these X38/X48 boards. ;)
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Wait, so you haven't been doing that in here?

Seriously. You talk as if achieving these overclocks takes skill. It doesn't. We all know you can, as most of us here can too.
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I overclocked my AMD 4400 to 2.6GHz on stock cooling. I'll post a screenshot tomorrow.
229x11.5 in the bios and there you go, Overclocked.

Also noticed another thing, If I turn off my case cooling the temperature of cpu goes up 10c.
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:thumb:

The point I was trying to make though is that overclocking doesn't take skill anymore. In the old days, we didn't have nifty BIOS's with hundreds of features to help with overclocking. It was a do or die thing where the best physically altered their components.

All we gotta do now is pay for good components, good cooling, pray to the gods you got a decent processor and then change some settings. It's been easy to overclock dual-cores to almost double their stock clocks ever since the Core 2s came out.

I don't mean to sound cruel, but I do want Gameman to understand that it's not so amazing anymore and it really doesn't impress people familiar with the scene. He says he's not gloating...but then I always notice his sig :dead:
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Engh, now I think you're going to the opposite extreme to make a point there, and I see what you're saying, but I don't fully agree with it to that extent.

Overclocking is still what it always was. It's more common and convenient, what, with there being more stuff aimed at overclocking (better coolers, motherboards, BIOS versus pins and jumpers, etc.), but it's still the same thing. It's just that there's a market itself (and following) for it now. That's really the only difference, and that doesn't change what it is. Is it impressive to us that someone can overclock processor A to point B? Usually not, but it's still the same thing. Just because Core 2s overclock far (so did the Celeron A and some other specific CPUs) doesn't change a thing. It just makes it better.

Your last paragraph summarizes it nicely. The scene itself isn't impressed with it, especially if it's not a record, but it still is what it is. Overclocking isn't any less special now than it was back then.
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Overclocking an i7 is a learning curve.
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an core i7 will be my next project later maybe net year....

But those cost way too much....

I mean the boards START at X58 no lower versions like a p55 or p65 etc... plus the cheapest processor is almost as much as my e8600 with an abominably lower clock rate so you're S.O.L. right off the bat I'm afraid... I wouldn't mind trying one of theire extreme editions, but first they gotta come in at under 1000 for me to even consider it.... I could build two cheap systems for just the price of the chip.... and they would be in the same range for speed... almost...although not multitasking certainly....

But anyways that's later...when they come out with a p55 or p65 board like the p45's and p35's....

maybe....

I might try the Gigabyte Ultra Durable series next since they've come down so much and maybe a E5400 just to see if I could get to 4.0-4.5 GHZ....

ps: anybody here ever use dfi lanparty????

there seems to be an issue with their onboard lan gigabit 8053 controller????? doesn't wanna talk to old modems... (10mbps)) I tried every setting...Rx, Tx, Auto Negotiate, 10mbps, 100 mbps, 1000 mbps, full duplex, half duplex......and TIT....I mean n othing..... and did I mentio0n I tried EVERY recent lan driver marvel makes including the ones from my Rampage???and to no avail...

I had to install a separate PCI modem/ethernet card and it worked right off the bat...


talk about recycling....this ethernet card was off my very first windows build back in 2003... an ibm net vista with ME at 1.0 GHZ and it still works to this day.... thank good the PCI slot standard hasn't changed much for peripherals....

Lord Zedeck said:
Your last paragraph summarizes it nicely. The scene itself isn't impressed with it, especially if it's not a record, but it still is what it is. Overclocking isn't any less special now than it was back then.
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Oh, and thanks....I think.....:???::???::???::???::???::???:

Edit: I guess this might apply to our friend Spyhop from Edmonton here.....Question:

ever have trouble getting your modem or whatever it is you use to talk to the internal ethernet controller card?????

as I said above I tried everything and it didn't work.... Either a) the ethernet controller is ****ed or b) this board is so new they never figured on coming out with drivers that could successfully talk to a 9 year old speedstream modem...

My isp service is only a meagre 10 mbps half duplex connection so it doesn't matter how old the modem is it's gonna be slow as ass, but the point is the DFI should have worked right out of the box.....just plug and play....like the Rampage Formula did.....

Anybody have this problem and can shed some light....

Thanks....
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