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Didn't that happen?F-3582 said:I still hope that someone would do the same with the good old C64 :wub:
....H-O-L-Y C-R-A-P.... oOSamor said:Didn't that happen?
Of course the C64DTV isn't a fully fledged C64, allthough it can be hacked into one (http://www.orrville.net/dtvhacking/)
And there's the Commodore One: http://c64upgra.de/c-one/
I happen to prefer the MSX though, as that was my first computer system.
I have C64 DTV. it's quit cool (technically much more advanced than the usual retro joysticks) - there should be a second (improved) version coming out later this year though.sights said:....H-O-L-Y C-R-A-P.... oO
...thanks for these links. That C-one is pretty amazing !!
...and C64-Direct-to TV ...I've heard in the past about an "atari joystick" that included games, but I didn't know a C64 equivalent was also out. Very handy for those who for whatever reason don't want to mess with emulators.
Man, I'm starting to like that lady a lot !!
the one chip MSX will come with MSX cartridge connectors as such - so one can play original carts right on it; a big pro....C-one truly comes without a casing though - it's handled like your average motherboard, with various connectors (even for old C64 drives - makes sense I guess.). This is a better example of the whole FPGA implementatio, since there are already some "cores" emulating the CPC line of home computers as well as the C64 :thumb: (my selection of this particular pic from that site's screenshot gallery was completely random - I SWEAR !! :evil: ).
...the only downside would be the price (which is even steeper than the 1-chip MSX's), but nostalgia along with the sheer potential in expandability of this project, is a considerable factor too
I can see Rhombus' point about using good ol' software emulation (which EXTREMELY accurate nowadays) to relive your childhood memories without getting "down & dirty" messing with hardware , but all things considered, projects like these do have a use as well...
MSX has advantages here; the disks are PC compatible (FAT 12 file system; having said that, it doesnt seem to do the MSX disks much good by running them on PC drives), tapes can be preserved through soundcards (similar to how its done with c64) and in the future carts should be readable on an emu....there is another thing that bugs me though, one that I can't get around on either road of emulation, and it's that of using old media, besides tapes. Clearly, computers like the CPC with a more "exotic" selection of hardware (although it wasn't considered too exotic back then) come off at the losing side.
...I wish there was an EASY way to access some of my old disks, since I really want to check out some of my old works with The Art Studio and other stuff, and I also have several english version games of some french companies, that can't be found on the 'net...
well, they have to make 5000 preorders in total to be able to produce it for that price. - in Japan there are just over 2000 orders now; so let's say internationally there have to be 3000 pre-orders. Doesn't sound like much, but the company providing them (bazix) isn't too much known yet. I wonder if they'll manage to get the attention they need....programs like Disk2FDI are very useful, but not in the CPC's case, since one still needs to resort to "special" floppy cables (providing you also have a working 3'' drive of course)... *sigh*
...well, I'd better stop now, because I'm turning this post into a rant
Samor, if you do get an 1-chip MSX, please post some pics and further comments on your experience. It'll be an interesting read.
Samor said:the one chip MSX will come with MSX cartridge connectors as such - so one can play original carts right on it; a big pro
What's funny though, is that there will (probably) also be an USB cartridge reader for MSX cartridges out outside of Japan that works on PC, and which is planned to work with some of the best emulators. - on one hand maybe silly, as one can play a rom, on the other hand, you can use real carts on an emu, and that's just cool.
...this goes to show how big the support for the MSX really is - especially in Japan.Samor said:MSX has advantages here; the disks are PC compatible (FAT 12 file system; having said that, it doesnt seem to do the MSX disks much good by running them on PC drives), tapes can be preserved through soundcards (similar to how its done with c64) and in the future carts should be readable on an emu.
I sincerely hope they make it.Samor said:well, they have to make 5000 preorders in total to be able to produce it for that price. - in Japan there are just over 2000 orders now; so let's say internationally there have to be 3000 pre-orders. Doesn't sound like much, but the company providing them (bazix) isn't too much known yet. I wonder if they'll manage to get the attention they need.
I'm not entirely sure. It doesn't have a disk drive, so I guess it would be able to run programs from SD/MMC card (it has an sd/mmc card slot). If it works similar to the CF-ATA IDE (this is an add on for MSX that allows compact flash cards to be used as harddisk (gotta love it)) it's a matter of copying files from floppy disks to the sd card with a pc; alternatively, there are several tools on MSX that allow disk images to be run from such a HD. It all works kinda strange though, as the MSX originally never had harddisks. I'm not entirely sure on how they solved it in the case of the 1chip*, but I guess the fact it can be reprogrammed allows for some nice additions - for example, at this moment it comes with an emulated SCC sound chip which I think is a stupid idea, because -sights said:...this goes to show how big the support for the MSX really is - especially in Japan.
Between the dumping of tapes not posing a problem, and all that support for MSX cartridges, I'd say you're golden ((you lucky batard, you)
I've been wondering about the disks, though. It's a very good thing they're in PC compatible format (plus being an inch size still used today - which overcomes another major hardware obstacle), but how exactly is the 1-chip MSX handling the whole disk business ? ...I've read thet the C-one is able to even load disk images (in case people don't want mess with real disks) - maybe the 1-chip MSX has a similar function ?
You're on a roll, yes ...great read none the less.Samor said:Wow, I'm in ranting mode