no i don't believe in after life. you die and then.. nothing. blank.
Life after death?
Hey guys, just a quick poll.
Do you believe in life after death?
Yes, No, Undecided or Don't Care.
Just a short (?) explantion if you wish.
Please keep it clean guys. Let's not have any socio-political-religious wars in here (Yes, you know who you are
). I just want to know your side and some opinions on the matter.
I tried searching, but couldn't really find a poll on this. Sorry if it's been done, but I reckon if there was, it might be so old that the current new batch of forum goers haven't had a chance to speak out.
Me? Yes. I'm not entirely sure how long that life is, but I'm pretty convinced there's at least some time wherein the soul walks this earth. Heaven? Hell? I dunno. The point is that there is *some* form of *life* after death, for me at least.
Do you believe in life after death?
Yes, No, Undecided or Don't Care.
Just a short (?) explantion if you wish.
Please keep it clean guys. Let's not have any socio-political-religious wars in here (Yes, you know who you are
). I just want to know your side and some opinions on the matter. I tried searching, but couldn't really find a poll on this. Sorry if it's been done, but I reckon if there was, it might be so old that the current new batch of forum goers haven't had a chance to speak out.
Me? Yes. I'm not entirely sure how long that life is, but I'm pretty convinced there's at least some time wherein the soul walks this earth. Heaven? Hell? I dunno. The point is that there is *some* form of *life* after death, for me at least.
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Yes, it's been done before. A long time ago, I reckon
My answer is obvious enough: NO.
There's no "living matter", but only "living systems". Life is just a very complex ensemble of parts. There's nothing mystical about it. We've left the 19th century behind.
And consciousness, which is what people usually assume that survives bodily death, is just a product of our very physical brain. Consciousness is a by-product, an evolutionary adaptation or a spandrel; make your choice. But it's all physical. Once your brain dies, you die.
There's no "you" outside our brain. There's no "ghost in the machine". There's no soul.
The evidence from the cognitive sciences is so overwhelming that I won't even mention it. And it wouldn't do any good if I mentioned it. True believers will go on believing in life after death.
The belief in life after death comes from fear of the unknown coupled to our self-preservation instincts, I think. Even cavemen believed in some sort of life-after-death.
It took modern science to explain why the notion of a soul is bogus, and why it's an unecessary hypothesis in our theories concerning the human mind.
So, take note of this advice. If you really want a chance of living again, sign up with a Cryonics company, such as Alcor . We're not sure whether it'll work, but it's our only chance
EDIT: And now I'm waiting for the usual criticisms of science. "blah, blah, science is not everything". "blah, my soul can see things that scientists cannot". I'm really tired of it. When will people understand that science is not a sacred belief or anything like that? Scientific knowledge is that which is proved to work. It's refined all time - it's not sacred.
That's why science gave us spaceships and geosynchronous satellites, while faith and pseudoscience gave us... what? Nothing? Yeah, that's right.
My answer is obvious enough: NO.
There's no "living matter", but only "living systems". Life is just a very complex ensemble of parts. There's nothing mystical about it. We've left the 19th century behind.
And consciousness, which is what people usually assume that survives bodily death, is just a product of our very physical brain. Consciousness is a by-product, an evolutionary adaptation or a spandrel; make your choice. But it's all physical. Once your brain dies, you die.
There's no "you" outside our brain. There's no "ghost in the machine". There's no soul.
The evidence from the cognitive sciences is so overwhelming that I won't even mention it. And it wouldn't do any good if I mentioned it. True believers will go on believing in life after death.
The belief in life after death comes from fear of the unknown coupled to our self-preservation instincts, I think. Even cavemen believed in some sort of life-after-death.
It took modern science to explain why the notion of a soul is bogus, and why it's an unecessary hypothesis in our theories concerning the human mind.
So, take note of this advice. If you really want a chance of living again, sign up with a Cryonics company, such as Alcor . We're not sure whether it'll work, but it's our only chance
EDIT: And now I'm waiting for the usual criticisms of science. "blah, blah, science is not everything". "blah, my soul can see things that scientists cannot". I'm really tired of it. When will people understand that science is not a sacred belief or anything like that? Scientific knowledge is that which is proved to work. It's refined all time - it's not sacred.
That's why science gave us spaceships and geosynchronous satellites, while faith and pseudoscience gave us... what? Nothing? Yeah, that's right.
I don't care about the answer on this question. My way is that I'm gonna try to make the best out of this life for myself, and for other ppl. Once I'm dead I'll see what's next. Perhaps I'll meet a god or something, and if there's one waiting for me to condemn me or waiting to have a beer with me and a good chat, he'd better be ready for some nice questions
And science can't explain all yet. there are still things undiscovered, which are yet already known to some. There might be more to see, but if you never learned how to watch it, science can't help you see it.
however, science can make the unknown stuff accessible for the normal man. Science should NOT say what isn't possible. Of course theoretical limits are theoretical limits. But that's not all there is.
Life after death? I wouldn't know. First i believed there would be nothing. I felt comfortable with that. However, lately i'm want to find out if there is more. It's what one might call belief, i guess
But we're working on itEface said:
If someone already knows it then it's not undiscovered. And if this hypothetical person already knows, why can't he/she prove it?Eface said:
From all that I've learned from history, everyone who claims to know things outside of science is a crackpot. They ditch the scientific method so they don't have to offer proof for their claims. It's sad but true.
I really don't understand this. Science is also about learning how to see things. Nobody every suspected the existence of electrons, until physicists hypothesized it and proved it afterwards. There was no mysticism involved, just the plain old scientific method.Eface said:
Normal man? Are you implying that are better kinds of man out there?Eface said:
I can tell you that a perpetual motion machine is not possible. If you can prove me wrong then I'll give up on science :lol:Eface said:
BTW, now that I've read my last post again, I want to apologize. I won't turn this thread into another debate about science. My views about science are spread all over the place, and there's no need for me to repeat them here.
Sorry for almost turning this into an off-topic discussion
Sorry for almost turning this into an off-topic discussion
Thanks Boltz.... Was about to douse you two with ice cold water there
Don't really care. I ceased to live for the past and the future that'd be a long time ago... cheers for a today without tomorrows...
Well, if you don't believe in an afterlife and you enjoy your life here, then you should care. That's why I mentioned Cryonics in my first post. It's actually something you can do, even though it's not guaranteed to work (well, it's a better chance than a regular burial - if you die in the usual way there's no chance of coming back).N1ghtw0lf said:
I'm still not sure whether I care enough about my life to want to more, though. I'll decide whether to sign up for a neuro-cryonical preservation when I'm older - around 35.
Only you can decide whether this life is worth it or not. And I think it's a damn hard decision...
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen
"I sometimes hear people say, "Wouldn’t it be boring to live forever?" But would it be more exciting to be dead?"
- Nick Bostrom
"I don't know if I want to live forever. I'll decide in a thousand years."
- Bruce J.Klein
Fortunately I caught my own mistake first :heh:Kraelis said:Thanks Boltz.... Was about to douse you two with ice cold water there
No, no and.... umm.... nope. We die, we rot, we decompose and if we are lucky we will transform into grass that will be eaten by a Holstein cow.
... now as of why... ok. Up to now there hasn't been a single reliable and comprobated proof for life after death, such as there haven't been proofs for cold fussion, the Atlantis, green dwarfs, unicorns and the imaginary friend my little cousin was talking the other day about.
Now the only thing I have to do is to apply the Generic Access Control List rule for routers for this case: "Everything that is not permitted is denied by default"
... now as of why... ok. Up to now there hasn't been a single reliable and comprobated proof for life after death, such as there haven't been proofs for cold fussion, the Atlantis, green dwarfs, unicorns and the imaginary friend my little cousin was talking the other day about.
Now the only thing I have to do is to apply the Generic Access Control List rule for routers for this case: "Everything that is not permitted is denied by default"
Wow, the poll is pretty even so far.
Brainwave can just stop... It's like fire can stop burning... When brain dies the stuff it's made of still exists, but they are just not producing brainwaves anymore
And there's always the possibility we'll never reach the technology to restore people treatech with cryonics. Just because technology grew exponentially in the 20th century doesn't mean it'll continue to do so. I was waiting (more than 10 years ago) for the moon base which is suppose dto be built around the year 2000 :lol:
Brainwave can just stop... It's like fire can stop burning... When brain dies the stuff it's made of still exists, but they are just not producing brainwaves anymore
And there's always the possibility we'll never reach the technology to restore people treatech with cryonics. Just because technology grew exponentially in the 20th century doesn't mean it'll continue to do so. I was waiting (more than 10 years ago) for the moon base which is suppose dto be built around the year 2000 :lol:
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