[70597]

In my Hackintosh. :lol:

Btw, Macbooks and Pros use DDR3, and the new Mac Pro uses Nehalem[core i7].

 

[Phil]

Why does a 1tb hdd cost 119 for a PC, but $400 for a Mac?

 

[-StrikE-]

Cause with Mac you get an apple, remember the old saying an apple a day keeps the doctor away (still darn expensive apple i my add)

 

[Norlick]

The reason people keep using PC's is because they stick to what they know.
To the average joe, Linux is a cluster**** of Ubuntu's and Fedora's and GNU's and KDE's and sudo's and is only there for nerds to get a hard-on over, while Mac is a rip-off of Windows thats used for graphics designers only.

And thats only for the people that've heard of Linux and Mac -- the average user couldnt give a **** and just wants to check their emails and send IM's and check their Facebook and view some awesome streaming porn.

 

[70597]

Because Apple's a hardware company, thus they have to overprice some stuff. :lol:

Anyway, you can use standard PC parts[HDDs, DVD drives, RAM.]. No need to buy their overpriced ****.

 

[Norlick]

What are the retail prices for a Mac anyway? I could never be bothered checking.

 

[masta.g.86]

Why does a 1tb hdd cost 119 for a PC, but $400 for a Mac?

Apple is well aware that most of their customers have this perception that all of their products are premium quality and thus, the premium price is justified.

iPod is a "premium" portable MP3 player.

iPhone is a "premium" cellular phone.

Macs are "premium" PCs. (PC+ as I've heard one of them put it )

So going by this mentality, $400 must be going toward a premium 1TB HDD that is somehow better than a "typical" 1TB HDD.

I think Apple's slogan should be: iMac - the idiot's PC. I just can't justify paying a large sum of money for an inferior product. Since I generally build my own systems, I really can't justify purchasing a Mac.

 

[70597]

I would say that their worthless products are iMac and Mac Mini. The Mac Pro is pretty decently priced for what it's intended for[high end workstation stuff], as Dell/others have similarly priced rigs. Their laptops aren't that much more expensive either.

 

[S.SubZero]

Actually, Mac Mini uses a mobile socket for its CPU. So technically it isn't exactly what PCs are using. And yeah, they are variant, but some stuffs are different. For instance, Mac uses EFI as opposed to conventional BIOS.

1. The Mac Mini (and the iMac) use PC laptop form-factor parts. That doesn't make them "not PC" parts. I'm not sure if you noticed, but lots of PC laptops are sold. In fact they are currently more popular than desktops.

As for EFI, the majority of PC makers simply don't care about it. There's a little interest, in fact my home desktop has UEFI and Vista x64 set up to use it for a while now. But for the compatibility concerns and OS support, there's not a lot of point in changing over from a plain BIOS. Apple could do it because they were in the process of completely changing hardware platforms (for the second time in 10 years) so they went with the "cool new thing". It also was meant to curtail things like OSx86, which of course didn't have much effect.

Would you like to talk with Schumi about how his rig (a Core 2 Quad coupled with a GTX 260) lagged horribly in Need For Speed Underground 2 and Most Wanted? He just asked about that a few days ago.

Sure. NFSU2 probably can't support four cores, so that's a good part of the problem there. It's relatively common knowledge that a fast dual core is better than a slower quad for gaming. The second point I was going to make here, about lumping every single possible PC and game under one person's particular problem is already covered by another person.

And your laptop video chipset is a 1900XT? Mind you, I just linked above that a Mac Pro (current) might well have a HD4870.

My Sager laptop uses an 8800M GTX. Apple does not produce a laptop that can compete with it. And Sager's using even faster chips since then. There's also PC laptops with SLI. Not "junk 9400M and mediocre 9600M" hybrid, but true "two 9800M GTXs" SLI. You have to bump a Mac Pro's graphics option up a few (expensive) notches to get that performance, and a PC notebook does it in a portable package.

The Mac gaming arena is little, and Macs are well-known to be mediocre gaming rigs. One of the reasons so many Mac games seem to "run well" (when they aren't horrid Cider ports anyway) is because a software developer has a much stronger grasp of the OS and the hardware since on a Mac it's all so limited. Developing for a Mac is closer to developing for a console.

 

[Phil]

Apple is well aware that most of their customers have this perception that all of their products are premium quality and thus, the premium price is justified.

iPod is a "premium" portable MP3 player.

iPhone is a "premium" cellular phone.

Macs are "premium" PCs. (PC+ as I've heard one of them put it )

So going by this mentality, $400 must be going toward a premium 1TB HDD that is somehow better than a "typical" 1TB HDD.

I think Apple's slogan should be: iMac - the idiot's PC. I just can't justify paying a large sum of money for an inferior product. Since I generally build my own systems, I really can't justify purchasing a Mac.

Please don't get me started on the iPhone. I sold mine within 2 weeks......my 3 year old xv6700 could do more then that worthless piece of *&%$

 

[runawayprisoner]

1. The Mac Mini (and the iMac) use PC laptop form-factor parts. That doesn't make them "not PC" parts. I'm not sure if you noticed, but lots of PC laptops are sold. In fact they are currently more popular than desktops.

And more expensive. Might I add.

Of course there are those parts, but they are still considered to belong in the "mobile" section of components rather than desktop components. If we talk about things as broad as being a "personal computer" component, then arguably, Mac is also a personal computer of sort.

That aside, a Mac packaging is sometimes (or maybe all the time) more elegant and compact than a desktop due to them having mobile parts. That's one thing to consider.

Aside from Mac Pros having big cases, your average iMacs are quite compact.

As for EFI, the majority of PC makers simply don't care about it. There's a little interest, in fact my home desktop has UEFI and Vista x64 set up to use it for a while now. But for the compatibility concerns and OS support, there's not a lot of point in changing over from a plain BIOS. Apple could do it because they were in the process of completely changing hardware platforms (for the second time in 10 years) so they went with the "cool new thing". It also was meant to curtail things like OSx86, which of course didn't have much effect.

OSx86 is hacking out support for traditional desktop counterparts of components in Apple for potential support. It does not mean the desktop counterparts are completely supported due to differences in configurations.

Well, yeah, Apple does take advantage on that, but... well, so does Dell or HP against your average users. I think it's just the common issue with enterprises.

Sure. NFSU2 probably can't support four cores, so that's a good part of the problem there. It's relatively common knowledge that a fast dual core is better than a slower quad for gaming. The second point I was going to make here, about lumping every single possible PC and game under one person's particular problem is already covered by another person.

I never had such lagging issues with my Q9450. If it was specifically a quad-core problem then it would have escalated to a patch of some sort. Or disabling cores in BIOS would have helped.

But that's beside the point. I just want to say that Windows gaming is bugged. And if not for you (yeah, you can run Crysis smoothly... I think I've heard that enough), then maybe for someone else.

My Sager laptop uses an 8800M GTX. Apple does not produce a laptop that can compete with it. And Sager's using even faster chips since then. There's also PC laptops with SLI. Not "junk 9400M and mediocre 9600M" hybrid, but true "two 9800M GTXs" SLI. You have to bump a Mac Pro's graphics option up a few (expensive) notches to get that performance, and a PC notebook does it in a portable package.

Yeah... the price is high. I get the idea. Never said otherwise.

But I hope you remember the fact that those are portable desktops you are talking about there. And battery life is terrible on those...

I mean... if you end up having to plug it in all the time when you want to use it, then the novelty of it being a mobile device is kinda lost. I like the idea for that it offers high performance for a more compact package, but I don't like how it's not as "mobile" as it should be.

A Macbook or otherwise any other PC laptops/notebooks with configurations lower than those would perform almost similar, but give much better battery life under normal usage. So a Macbook and an average laptop/notebook are more like mobile devices to me.

Those desktop replacements should be called compact desktops rather than notebooks or laptops.

The Mac gaming arena is little, and Macs are well-known to be mediocre gaming rigs. One of the reasons so many Mac games seem to "run well" (when they aren't horrid Cider ports anyway) is because a software developer has a much stronger grasp of the OS and the hardware since on a Mac it's all so limited. Developing for a Mac is closer to developing for a console.

Yes, it's little. But I just want to say that it does exist.
Or actually, it's not that little once you bootcamp Windows.

Edit:

But Phil... what about... the Apple? ;p

 

[S.SubZero]

Of course there are those parts, but they are still considered to belong in the "mobile" section of components rather than desktop components. If we talk about things as broad as being a "personal computer" component, then arguably, Mac is also a personal computer of sort.

In layman's terms, it is. As you have mentioned a few times already, it can run Windows. What about it makes it "not a PC" if it can run Windows?

That aside, a Mac packaging is sometimes (or maybe all the time) more elegant and compact than a desktop due to them having mobile parts. That's one thing to consider.

"Elegance" is strictly subjective. And for that compactness the user loses expandability, speed (since mobile parts arguably do not perform as well as their desktop counterparts) and their iMac becomes little more than a consumer electronics device. When it gets old, chuck it and get a new one, monitor and all.

But that's beside the point. I just want to say that Windows gaming is bugged. And if not for you (yeah, you can run Crysis smoothly... I think I've heard that enough), then maybe for someone else.

Hear it? See it. YouTube - Crysis Smooth and Maxed
Mind you, the PC in that demo is nine months ago technology.

But I hope you remember the fact that those are portable desktops you are talking about there. And battery life is terrible on those...

Battery life on a Mac Pro or an iMac is not much better. 8P

 

[Phil]

Edit:

But Phil... what about... the Apple? ;p

Rap, the Iphone cant even send a multimedia message. An Iphone cannot download YOUR OWN FRIGGIN CONTENT. I download songs and apps for FREE, i download rom upgrades for FREE....and you know what the best part is.....?

I CAN USE MY PHONE AS A TETHERED MODEM....so I can make the most out of my $80 phone bill.

And the bill for my iphone was $147.86 btw.

Just live with it....a Mac is like a real apple, when you first get it, its all nice, delicious and shiny, but one you leave it out for a few hours it will start to brown.......as in all those little annoyances come up and bite you in the ***.

 

[-StrikE-]

About the issue with NFS 2 il rather blame the game then the OS & i doubt that they still make updates the last one was in march 2005.. but still this is my opinion..

 

[Silenus]

Rap, the Iphone cant even send a multimedia message. An Iphone cannot download YOUR OWN FRIGGIN CONTENT. I download songs and apps for FREE, i download rom upgrades for FREE....and you know what the best part is.....?

I CAN USE MY PHONE AS A TETHERED MODEM....so I can make the most out of my $80 phone bill.

And the bill for my iphone was $147.86 btw.

Just live with it....a Mac is like a real apple, when you first get it, its all nice, delicious and shiny, but one you leave it out for a few hours it will start to brown.......as in all those little annoyances come up and bite you in the ***.

Uhm...

My Iphone 3g has Multimedia Message.
I can tether it to use it's internet connection on any pc/laptop.
The appstore has free lite games to let you test the game before buying the full one.

What else?
Uhm recently I can download songs and import them to the music library without a pc or itunes.

Another so called "flaw" that I remedied is I have Copy and Paste. :lol:
By the way Bluetooth transfers are on the way too.

True that some of this things I only have it because I jailbreake it.
Not like apple is doing anything for it.

 

[Phil]

The thing is, when you jailbreak it, you basically have to reflash the rom so you dont get i-bricked during a firmware upgrade

 

[Silenus]

Yeah when you Jailbreak the firmware updates are slower because you have to wait for quickpwn or pwnagetool (jailbreak apps) to support the new firmware.

If you update you always lose your jailbreak, the same with the psp.

 

[Phil]

I know. I sold my iphone anyway, as even though the iphone is 3G now, its still painfully slow compared to EVDO Rev. A

 

[runawayprisoner]

In layman's terms, it is. As you have mentioned a few times already, it can run Windows. What about it makes it "not a PC" if it can run Windows?

It's called a Mac rather than a PC. PC is pretty much tied with Windows. Weird... that's the mindset nowadays. Layman? Sure... ask anyone who doesn't know how a computer mouse works, and they'll surely tell you that anything with Windows on it is a PC. Everything else is just either Linux or Mac.

Have we touched component compatibility yet?

"Elegance" is strictly subjective. And for that compactness the user loses expandability, speed (since mobile parts arguably do not perform as well as their desktop counterparts) and their iMac becomes little more than a consumer electronics device. When it gets old, chuck it and get a new one, monitor and all.

Expandability is debatable. Some Mac systems are updatable and do contain server-class components as opposed to desktop-class components. Mac Pro for instance. They do use Xeons in Mac Pro. Also since Mac Pro uses CPU socket, you can also update the CPU to some extend.

Better yet, some Mac Pro have PCI-E 2.0 and you can "try" plugging in a high-end card. Whether it works or not is up to Apple, but seriously, you can do that. Upside? It reduces the price for the same component purchased from Apple... significantly.

So expandability is debatable.

Speed? Same reason as above.

iMac is actually quite a compact package. You might not like it, but like... the rest of the population who can't figure out if that monitor is the computer or that big block is the computer is going to take it up for a decent price.

Truth is Sony and HP are already taking that into account, and they are integrating displays and the rest of the components into one package.

Sad thing is... Apple would have dominated the market a few years back if they priced their components right.

Hear it? See it. YouTube - Crysis Smooth and Maxed
Mind you, the PC in that demo is nine months ago technology.

I played it. 2 years ago. I have tried this game on god knows how many configurations and god knows how many times. You can ask around because I even have benchmarks and pictures of it running at way over 60fps.

Recently tried it on a 4GHz Q9450 system with 4GB of DDR2 RAM (needless to say, all of the sticks clocked to death), and an overclocked HD4870.

But it stutters and hiccups anyway, no matter the configuration. Blame the developers for that.

Actually, ask Phil. I'm probably the one who talked about this game the most in the forums whenever I test it on a new configuration. And you might not believe this, but I tested that game on a lot of OSes, too. XP, Vista, and Server 2008... 32-bit or 64-bit... you name it. The game just works the same on all of them. Not the slightest difference. Slight hiccups and pauses now and then. Cause? Could never find it. Happens on all configurations, so...

Battery life on a Mac Pro or an iMac is not much better. 8P

Mac Pro is a workstation...
iMac is a desktop computer.

But that aside, Macbook Pro's battery life is up to 3 times that of the Sager.

Say... Sager is rated for about 2 to 2 and half hours, right? Macbook Pro is rated for up to 8 hours.

Apple - MacBook Pro - Technical Specifications - All the specs for both 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pro notebooks

Even the Macbook Air lasts for a good 3 to 4 hours.

Just live with it....a Mac is like a real apple, when you first get it, its all nice, delicious and shiny, but one you leave it out for a few hours it will start to brown.......as in all those little annoyances come up and bite you in the ***.

But that's the apple part. :lol:

Anyway, yeah... I can see the decision. iPhone just isn't really... how should I put it? Not exactly "it"? Apple did try to innovate, but it doesn't really work out too well.

Plus fees are insane.

 

[Gossamer]

Hear it? See it. YouTube - Crysis Smooth and Maxed
Mind you, the PC in that demo is nine months ago technology.

Crysis came out a 1 1/2 years ago.
So what if it is?