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Judge's Offer: Church Or Jail
(AP) A judge has been offering some drug and alcohol offenders the option of attending worship services instead of going to jail or rehab -- a practice some say violates the separation of church and state.

District Judge Michael Caperton, 50, a devout Christian, said his goal is to "help people and their families."

"I don't think there's a church-state issue, because it's not mandatory and I say worship services instead of church," he said.

Alternative sentencing is popular across the country--ordering vandals to repaint a graffiti-covered wall, for example. But legal experts said they didn't know of any other judges who give the option of attending church.

Caperton has offered the option about 50 times to repeat drug and alcohol offenders. It is unclear what effect the sentence has had.

David Friedman, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky, said the option raises "serious constitutional problems."

"The judge is saying that those willing to go to worship services can avoid jail in the same way that those who decline to go cannot," Friedman said. "That strays from government neutrality towards religion."
So much for freedom of religion:wave:
 

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What is this? If I had a choice to go to church instead of jail I would take church any day :nod: How is this going to help?
...to repeat drug and alcohol offenders.
Chances are they back after church anyway. :)
 

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Some judges just love to force their religion upon others. It’s like that Judge Moore guy who wanted to put a monument to the 10 Commandments in his Court. The guy is clearly violating the separation between church and state… but in a country where the president does it all the time this is no surprise at all.
 

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Boltzmann said:
Some judges just love to force their religion upon others. It’s like that Judge Moore guy who wanted to put a monument to the 10 Commandments in his Court. The guy is clearly violating the separation between church and state… but in a country where the president does it all the time this is no surprise at all.
I'm guessing you would choose jail, wouldn't you? :evil:
 

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I'm guessing you would choose jail, wouldn't you? :evil:
I’d flee the country and go to the Netherlands to get all the pot I want to :evil:
 

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I’d flee the country and go to the Netherlands to get all the pot I want to :evil:
You are starting to make me wonder if Cid Highwind smokes pot :lol:
 

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I’d flee the country and go to the Netherlands to get all the pot I want to :evil:
You'd be a refugee, and refugees get sent to places far away from pot. :p

The pot finds its way to them. :/
 

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Being a refugee does not sound too good. Maybe I’d just go to Rio de Janeiro and buy the pot at the first available corner :p

(Speaking of drugs in Rio, I remember what I saw on TV some two years ago, about drug dealers who accepted weed or coke orders by phone and delivered them at your home :lol: )
 

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I wouldn't really have a problem as long as it doesn't have to be Christian worship service i.e. if the person was Jewish or Bhuddist.
 

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Considering that the focus of Christian services is Jesus, there is a vast difference. It's not like saying 'you can have Chewits or Opal Fruits'. It's more like ssaying 'You can have a Milkybar or a packet of Crisps'. Both are snackfood, but they are very different.
 

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The fact is that this stuff really violates the rights of atheists. They're forced to "worship" something, but atheists do not "worship" anything. A lot of Budhists are atheists for all practical purposes as well (they have secular morals, and they perform no "worship services").
 

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You are starting to make me wonder if Cid Highwind smokes pot :lol:
Nope, never tried and I don't feel the need to smoke at all :)

To have the ability to do it legally, doesn't mean I will try it.

But you can always ask Eface :p
 

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other than possible violations of seperation of church and state.. lets face it, the criminal justice system DOESN'T help criminals at all. in fact most often makes them worse. Religion, on the other hand, might turn a person into another fruitball religous nut usually rehibilitates them... or to say he's less likely to kill someone i guess.
 

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Religion doesn’t necessarily make anyone a better (or worse) person. And this judge is enforcing his view that religion is the right path, even though no one should be forced to choose between it and jail.

But yes, the current penal system doesn’t rehabilitate anyone; it has many flaws. But sending people to the Church is not going to make it any better.
 

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I say they should get back the good old cane for the school and wip for repeat offenders, that way people will be literaly afraid of commiting crimes.

But it could be somewhat barbaric that's why I'm against it now ;)
 

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hell they could pretend to worship whatevere just to get themselves fre then go back to being an acholic and get arrested again.
 

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Cid Highwind said:
Nope, never tried and I don't feel the need to smoke at all :)

To have the ability to do it legally, doesn't mean I will try it.

But you can always ask Eface :p
Yup, i smoke pot. Surprised? :evil:
 

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oh yeah baby :D i love humping dead topics :D

Always interesting to search for Eface and see how many topics with my name in it exist :D
 
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