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For many years, this was believed to be science fiction. Some people still believe it isn't possible, as do I. We have all seen "Cryogenic Freezing" of a human body in videogames. Well, there is this company called Alcor- http://www.alcor.org/ which will Cryogenically Vitrify your body(or if you don't have a lot of money - they can scoop off your head). Vitrify means to put the organs of the body at temperatures of about -120 degress F without them freezing. This is all done as a last resort for some people who can't have their diseases cured. People do this, hoping that one day, Scientists will have learned how to thaw you out of your vitrified state, and cure your sickness. Imagine that...
 

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I always knew i'd end up dying in a frozen block of ice.
 

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actually u have to be legally dead before they freeze you. and they still havent sucessfully unthawed anything yet lol.
 

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whats the point of unfreezing you then? OMG LETS UNFREEZE A DEAD BODY, KLOL!

it's not like that could help in any way unless they find a way to wake the dead.
 

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whats the point of unfreezing you then? OMG LETS UNFREEZE A DEAD BODY, KLOL!

it's not like that could help in any way unless they find a way to wake the dead.
Did u accualy read it? Its ment to preserve your body after you are said to be dead based on "cardiac death". This means the hearts dead. If, say, in the future you could fix that, then technicly they could bring you back to life.
 

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Yeah I did read it but there is also the fact that if you're clinicaly dead and they revive you an hour later you could turn into a vegetable or so I've heard.. I can't quite possibly imagine after 4 or 5 years of frozen state
 

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I don't really know, I think it's best not to mess with the natural order of things.
How can a system that has killed millions of species in the evolution process be any better than whatever we can come up with? :)

In my case, I would like to be cryogenically frozen in 40 or 50 years, and then be defrozen 500 or 600 years in the future and see how things are going. Although probably by then the singularity will have taken place, and the state of the world in that moment will be beyond my comprehension... aw well
 

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Guys, this is not freezing, it's something entirely more advanced called Vitrification. In the case of freezing, your frozen - not much molecular movement. However, with vitrification, your body and organs can reach temperatures of -180 degrees F without their cells being frozen.
 

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Xeven said:
I don't really know, I think it's best not to mess with the natural order of things.
Best get down the hospital then and tell them cancel all those cancer treatments and hole in the heart operations.

Nearly every medical procedure we do is against the "natural" order of things and no-one complains about them.
 

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Xeven said:
I don't really know, I think it's best not to mess with the natural order of things.
So are you saying its against the nature of life to perform CPR? Or to jump start the heart with electricity? Thats all this is doing, but its freezing you in that time when you're body is 'turned off', but still has the ability to start up again. Though I admit freezing yourself for 100 years and then coming back would still be 'strange'.
 

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Saving someone is different from preserving the DEAD :)

but still has the ability to start up again
That's nothing but conjecture.

Best get down the hospital then and tell them cancel all those cancer treatments and hole in the heart operations.
Yeah, let's do that. Let's let all the LIVING PEOPLE die from diseases and vitrify them ;) Far as I'm concerned, vitrification or crynological preservation are MOSTLY for cowards who can't accept their inevitable deaths. Course, it's their money, it's their life and their choice.
 

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Xeven said:
Saving someone is different from preserving the DEAD :)

That's nothing but conjecture.


Yeah, let's do that. Let's let all the LIVING PEOPLE die from diseases and vitrify them ;) Far as I'm concerned, vitrification or crynological preservation are MOSTLY for cowards who can't accept their inevitable deaths. Course, it's their money, it's their life and their choice.
Alot of people are afraid of death. In fact, you could probably consider it natural. After being on this planet for so many years, spending your life, making a difference, some people would like to wake up in the year 4000 and see where technology has taken us. My guess is by 4000 humans will be extinct..but you never know.

Chances are these people aren't going to wake up again.
 

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Far as I'm concerned, vitrification or crynological preservation are MOSTLY for cowards who can't accept their inevitable deaths. Course, it's their money, it's their life and their choice.
I don't remember signing any contract that said that in order to die with pride I should just face death as if nothing though :p
 

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Xeven said:
Saving someone is different from preserving the DEAD :)
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Cryonics cannot work for anyone who is truly brain dead.

I've never looked into it, but I'm curious what the aspired nano-technology would do for aging though. Things always tend to break down through use, and one day, the brain diminishes to an unuseful state as well. If there would be ways to preserve other parts of the body virtually indefinitely.. or perhaps the brain is too delicate to interfere with in such a way, even for nano-machinery.

Even though I have once expressed the thought that I wouldn't want eternal life or longer than normal life for reasons that I consider possibly evolutionary in their roots (i.e. the length of our capacity to maintain a stable mental state, etc), I must say that I'm intrigued for cryonics and other such technologies IF, and ONLY IF, there is reason to believe the brain can be preserved for at least another lifetime of use.

..but I still shudder at the thought of anything externally messing with my precious genius brain. :p



Proto said:
I don't remember signing any contract that said that in order to die with pride I should just face death as if nothing though :p
Well, he didn't claim his point-of-view was a legal fact, now did he? :p
 

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Saving someone is different from preserving the DEAD

But that isn't what you said.

You said preserving someone cyrogenically was against the natural order of things.

Well so is repairing a hole in the heart. It is the natural order of things for that person to die and remove that genetic defect from the human genome. It is against the natural order for a doctor to repair that hole in the heart and give that defect a chance to continue on.

But even if we go with preserving the dead, perhaps this could be considered the modern version of mumification.
 

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preserving someone cyrogenically is against the natural order of things.
This isnt nessecarily true. Some frogs do it all the time in the wild, naturally.
 

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You said preserving someone cyrogenically was against the natural order of things.
Yes, it's my opinion that preserving yourself in the hope of rising from the dead is stupid and consider this unnatural. How you arrived to equate this statement to me being againts everything "natural law breaking act" (good or not) of humanity is beyond me. :???:
 

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Yes, it's my opinion that preserving yourself in the hope of rising from the dead is stupid and consider this unnatural. How you arrived to equate this statement to me being againts everything natural law breaking act (good or not) of humanity is beyond me. :???:
This is nothing like that. This is done for a reason. If your medical disease cannont be cured in todays medical science, your body is vitrified, in the hopes that one day medical science will have advanced far enough to cure you of your disease and thaw you out. Theres a difference between being dead and legally dead. There may still be hope. People want to fulfill their life as long as possible, and this may be a chance for them. And what natural law breaking act? The laws of nature are very flexibile, we are not entirely limited to what happens naturally on our planet. I look at nature as a resource for us. We can use those resources to do more than nature itself in some cases. If we learn how to harness them(as we are doing every day), we can do amazing things.

Some may vitrify themselves just to live to the year 4000, but I don't believe that is nesecarily the case. Your gonna die eventually, everybody will.
 
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