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hello pcsx2 team can any suggest any games for pcsx2 that will give cpu a challenge beacause so far this computer emulates pcsx2 at full speed any sugestions about games that require more cpu power.

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cpu 7750 Phenom amd athlon processor 0verclocked to 3.1 GHz using the overclock tuner that came board very stable. OFF AIR

mobo-ASROCK built for "true overclocking"

ram- 2 gigs

video- geforce 9800 GTX+ 500MG easily overclock to 1 gig

processor extra specs-original clock 2.7 ghz. superioir architecture.
3.0mb total L2+L3 Cache socket AM2+

plz everyone my cpu needs a challenge. Thanks
 

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Try FFx2. Gt4. RE4.

Post some screens of the games you maxed.

Btw my Cpu (e8400) can blow yours out of the water, and I can't max out all games (unless overclocked past 4ghz)

BTw 2. ASRock are not known for clocking kind sir.
 

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Try FFx2. Gt4. RE4.

Post some screens of the games you maxed.

Btw my Cpu (e8400) can blow yours out of the water, and I can't max out all games (unless overclocked past 4ghz)

BTw 2. ASRock are not known for clocking kind sir.
ahhh im sorry i forgot add that im running my cpu at the max multiplier which is 13.5 and my voltage is still at stock voltage of 1.32. and my pci is locked at 100.

screen shots no problem.
 

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Beat those with your superior architecture kind sir :p

Im not going to show you what i run at 4.3 with hacks. Go Phenoms!!
 

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Try FFx2. Gt4. RE4.

Post some screens of the games you maxed.

Btw my Cpu (e8400) can blow yours out of the water, and I can't max out all games (unless overclocked past 4ghz)

BTw 2. ASRock are not known for clocking kind sir.
snapping shots but i just get pictures and its not showing frames?

games that im beta testing
grandia 3 55~65fps
Battle stadium Don. 68~75fps
king of fighters maximum impact 2 reg A. 77~80fps
namco x capcom 69~77fps
God of war 2 60~72fps
FF12 67~79fps
tekken 5 59~67fps
Odin sphere 65~75fps
Suikoden 5 56~64fps
these are my beta testing results.
 

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ahhh im sorry i forgot add that im running my cpu at the max multiplier which is 13.5 and my voltage is still at stock voltage of 1.32. and my pci is locked at 100.

screen shots no problem.
Are you sure you're not confusing "Auto" with "stock" like many new to overclocking do?

I find it hard to believe that this thing does 5GHz on air (let alone 5.7GHz on water) and yet you're boasting how it does 3.1GHz on stock voltage and how it has 3MB L2 cache. If you're boasting about such a low clock on such a "true overclocking" motherboard (yeah right), then it dashes all belief that it "easily" does so much higher.

Ughm, I hate to burst your bubble, but I have as much L2 cache per core as you do on your entire CPU, and better yet, it's all L2 cache (no slower L3), and I also get 4.0GHz at less voltage than you're getting 3.1GHz.

5GHz engh? Well, it's not 5GHz, but I do have proof of my claim (here's some backup Phil).



Now where's yours? Where's the 5GHz on air Phenom II settings (that I get the feeling you were implying were practical for 24/7 use if water allows it an extra 700MHz and were recommending it to someone for that reason)?

These settings aren't really practical for 24/7 use, so I admit they don't "count" (and world records don't even more so, so I'm not sure what that had to do with this), so here's some that are practical.



Note that it ended up needing a bit more voltage though (a little less than ~1.4V). Failing that, ~4.3GHz isn't uncommon for 24/7 use on even the E0 stepping Core 2 Duo E8400/E8500s.

Now, let's see those 5GHz on air, realistic, practical settings. Oh, wait, that's right. Does it even 4.5GHz on air with such good temperatures, and then does it have the DAZ performance, amount of cache (yes, this does matter for PCSX2! ...and on that, the L3 cache for the Phenom II is slower than L2 cache), and clock for clock rate the Core 2 does? No? Then now you know why I recommended what I did, as the question specifically stated "for PCSX2".

Learn to read, people, instead of touting your favorites. I recommended what I did and gave reasons for doing so. I see no proof otherwise, and only reasons stating "Phenom FTW"...

And is it just me, or did you just claim you overclocked your 512MB video card to 1GB of RAM!? Ungh, I think the writing is on the wall here about your experience and knowledge of these things. Enjoy your CPU, as it's a real gem for AMD, but you're really letting this go to your head. It's not the be all end all you're acting it out to be.

A plugin author or PCSX2 coder (or whatnot) even advised the Core 2 if it's for PCSX2.

Edit: Got a bit sidetracked there and thought I was in the other thread where a user was asking between an E8400 and a Phenom II. Ah well, most of my argument still has it's place,

And to answer your question, try running Final Fantasy X in single core mode (i.e., without the MTGS option checked), and no, don't use speed hacks of any kind either. See how well that goes for your CPU.
 

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Are you sure you're not confusing "Auto" with "stock" like many new to overclocking do?

I find it hard to believe that this thing does 5GHz on air (let alone 5.7GHz on water) and yet you're boasting how it does 3.1GHz on stock voltage and how it has 3MB L2 cache. If you're boasting about such a low clock on such a "true overclocking" motherboard (yeah right), then it dashes all belief that it "easily" does so much higher.

Ughm, I hate to burst your bubble, but I have as much L2 cache per core as you do on your entire CPU, and better yet, it's all L2 cache (no slower L3), and I also get 4.0GHz at less voltage than you're getting 3.1GHz.

5GHz engh? Well, it's not 5GHz, but I do have proof of my claim (here's some backup Phil).



Now where's yours? Where's the 5GHz on air Phenom II settings (that I get the feeling you were implying were practical for 24/7 use if water allows it an extra 700MHz and were recommending it to someone for that reason)?

These settings aren't really practical for 24/7 use, so I admit they don't "count" (and world records don't even more so, so I'm not sure what that had to do with this), so here's some that are practical.



Note that it ended up needing a bit more voltage though (a little less than ~1.4V). Failing that, ~4.3GHz isn't uncommon for 24/7 use on even the E0 stepping Core 2 Duo E8400/E8500s.

Now, let's see those 5GHz on air, realistic, practical settings. Oh, wait, that's right. Does it even 4.5GHz on air with such good temperatures, and then does it have the DAZ performance, amount of cache (yes, this does matter for PCSX2! ...and on that, the L3 cache for the Phenom II is slower than L2 cache), and clock for clock rate the Core 2 does? No? Then now you know why I recommended what I did, as the question specifically stated "for PCSX2".

Learn to read, people, instead of touting your favorites. I recommended what I did and gave reasons for doing so. I see no proof otherwise, and only reasons stating "Phenom FTW"...

And is it just me, or did you just claim you overclocked your 512MB video card to 1GB of RAM!? Ungh, I think the writing is on the wall here about your experience and knowledge of these things. Enjoy your CPU, as it's a real gem for AMD, but you're really letting this go to your head. It's not the be all end all you're acting it out to be.

A plugin author or PCSX2 coder (or whatnot) even advised the Core 2 if it's for PCSX2.

Edit: Got a bit sidetracked there and thought I was in the other thread where a user was asking between an E8400 and a Phenom II. Ah well, most of my argument still has it's place,

And to answer your question, try running Final Fantasy X in single core mode (i.e., without the MTGS option checked), and no, don't use speed hacks of any kind either. See how well that goes for your CPU.




know lord zedeck i think boastings hardly the issue here of course your rig and phils rig beats my computer into the ground by 1000 fold. but the question is what are the games that are most demanding for hardware.

however you was right about me being new to overclocking i give you that zedeck. im not saying my rigs better than anybody elses rig. i just want to see how far my computer can go in pcsx2 emulation.
 

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Try Grant Turismo 4, it seems that game is the most demanding so far.

Zedeck went a bit crazy there, I almost went under my bed reading all that:lol:, Damn I wish he lived around here so I could mug him, this damn E8200 is holding me back, the max I could get is 3.6GHz but the temps were just a bit too much so 3.4GHz it is for now. I'm in need of a major upgrade.
 

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I also have an E8400 I'm not using. It's a C0 stepping (not E0), but it's a decent one for a C0.

The bad part is, I think it seemed to run a bit warm like yours sounds (or more likely, had temperature sensor issues like alot of the first E8x00s did, and I have alot of reasons I think so). I can't remember the supposed numbers. It's been a while. I think it was the mid to upper 30s that the CPU itself reported for idle (the cores were a fair bit warmer) at 3.6GHz on an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro (which I also have sitting aside unused).

Voltage wise it was pretty good for a C0 stepping chip. I never put that E8400 over 1.4V like I have with my E8600, so I'm not sure of it's limits, but I know for a fact that it did 4.05GHz (450x9) at ~1.384V or so, and 3.6GHz (400x9) at ~1.24V (these are values without loadline calibration, which would net lower voltage values, but isn't recommended due to the way it works).



Notice the same 480MHz (1920MHz) FSB limit as my maximum E8600 overclock. That's my RAM holding me back at that point.

I doubt it's stable. Again, I just didn't want to put it over 1.4V but yet wanted to see how far it could go. The following, however, is stable.



These E8x00 CPUs are great for PCSX2. The E8200 and E8300 sort of fell into obscurity like the GeForce 4 Ti4400 (which was overshadowed by the Ti4600 and especially Ti4200), but the E8400 and above, C0 or E0, are great. They're magic for PCSX2 at 4GHz and above.

Kenshin Ryoudo, I wasn't trying to send the message of "My CPU and/or PC is better than yours". As I mentioned with the edit, I thought I was still in the other thread, so my post was intended to give reasons why I think the Core 2 is better overall than the Phenom II/Phenom II based Athlon for PCSX2, but it still kind of fit here considering how this thread and others you've recently been posting in have been going anyway. However, if I was building a secondary PC right now, I'd likely go with the Phenom II based Athlon (ala, Kuma). For first and best choice, though, I still think the Core 2 is unbeaten for PCSX2.

P.S. As I said, try Final Fantasy X with MTGS unchecked/disabled and without speed hacks. I really am curious as to the results.
 

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Cool over 100 fps in ff 12, without native resolution I think.

My best was so 50 fps (with limiter) in full screen with 1280x960 and without native resolution.

Anoher game that uses an good bunch o cpu is Okami wich still doesn't run perfectly on my pc when there is much shown on the screen and the speedhacks can help in getting speed of course.

Edit: just noticed that i had forgotten to use the cycle hack, my bad^^
 

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Can you guys with over 4Ghz play any game with say 1280 x 1024 full screen and 8X FSAA? I guess this also depends on the video card but can you guys pull it off?

I have a Q9550 @ 4.11Ghz with 483Mhz FSB. I wish I had an unlocked multiplier like you guys and I have a GTX 280 OCX as well. I'm planning on doing some PS2 emulation to test my CPU as well :). Can I run any game full speed or not even at 4.8ghz can this be done? Does cache make a difference?

So far the shots posted are just in windowed mode and I'm not sure if you guys are using FSAA.
 

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With my current gpu, I don't need to overclock anthing cause it would not change much when it comes to speed, I#m happy enough that I can now play other games good enough aside from Atelier Iris 2 wich realy has low specs.
 

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Can you guys with over 4Ghz play any game with say 1280 x 1024 full screen and 8X FSAA? I guess this also depends on the video card but can you guys pull it off?

I have a Q9550 @ 4.11Ghz with 483Mhz FSB. I wish I had an unlocked multiplier like you guys and I have a GTX 280 OCX as well. I'm planning on doing some PS2 emulation to test my CPU as well :). Can I run any game full speed or not even at 4.8ghz can this be done? Does cache make a difference?
Okay, let me try and answer all of that.

Resolution and AA are dependent on the GPU only. CPU clock speed is irrelevant.

AA isn't truly used in the usual sense. You give it an internal resolution to draw at, and then a lower external resolution to have the screen set to, and if the internal one is higher, it will mimic AA. This actually is a form of AA (called Supersampling, contrare to the more common multisampling), but unless the internal resolution is at least twice the external one, you're not even getting 2xAA, and super sampling is much more performance hungry than "normal" multisampling AA.

Our multipliers aren't unlocked (referring to those of us in this thread with Core 2 CPUs).

As for getting your Q9550 to 4.8GHz, good luck. I got my E8600 there, but temperatures and voltage were well over safe limits.

At 4.1GHz, your CPU will do fine, but do note it will do just as those with dual cores at 4.1GHz. PCSX2 does not benefit from more than two cores. It does benefit from two cores versus one, but the best combination possible of IPC and frequency of any given CPU is honestly probably the real key to performance (even though having two cores is still quite required).

Yes, cache matters. It depends on the game situation, but it's been tested by one member, and confirmed by some people involved with the development, to matter. I'm not sure how it works, but since PCSX2 uses only two cores, and your CPU has two blocks of shared cache (but the two blocks themselves are unshared), I'd think it only count the one block (each two cores has one block). If you don't understand, it has to do with how the Core 2 Quad was built as two Core 2 Duos stuck together, rather than built up to have a cache system as a quad core CPU. I think (but could be very wrong, as I don't know PCSX2 is programmed for this) the amount of cache per core is what matters here, so divide the total by the amount of cores four, and that's your amount. In any case, your CPU should be fine. Though cache matters, it doesn't as much as clock speed or architecture of the CPU.

Lol you tried it too ? :p
Of course, and as I've said before, I almost get consistent full speed. It is full speed at least 3/4 of the time though.

Budokai Tencaichi 3 does run full speed 99% of the time in single core mode even just @4GHz though (not counting split screen modes, which need dual core enabled and ~4GHz just to do so).
 

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Okay, let me try and answer all of that.

Resolution and AA are dependent on the GPU only. CPU clock speed is irrelevant.

AA isn't truly used in the usual sense. You give it an internal resolution to draw at, and then a lower external resolution to have the screen set to, and if the internal one is higher, it will mimic AA. This actually is a form of AA (called Supersampling, contrare to the more common multisampling), but unless the internal resolution is at least twice the external one, you're not even getting 2xAA, and super sampling is much more performance hungry than "normal" multisampling AA.

Our multipliers aren't unlocked (referring to those of us in this thread with Core 2 CPUs).

As for getting your Q9550 to 4.8GHz, good luck. I got my E8600 there, but temperatures and voltage were well over safe limits.

At 4.1GHz, your CPU will do fine, but do note it will do just as those with dual cores at 4.1GHz. PCSX2 does not benefit from more than two cores. It does benefit from two cores versus one, but the best combination possible of IPC and frequency of any given CPU is honestly probably the real key to performance (even though having two cores is still quite required).

Yes, cache matters. It depends on the game situation, but it's been tested by one member, and confirmed by some people involved with the development, to matter. I'm not sure how it works, but since PCSX2 uses only two cores, and your CPU has two blocks of shared cache (but the two blocks themselves are unshared), I'd think it only count the one block (each two cores has one block). If you don't understand, it has to do with how the Core 2 Quad was built as two Core 2 Duos stuck together, rather than built up to have a cache system as a quad core CPU. I think (but could be very wrong, as I don't know PCSX2 is programmed for this) the amount of cache per core is what matters here, so divide the total by the amount of cores four, and that's your amount. In any case, your CPU should be fine. Though cache matters, it doesn't as much as clock speed or architecture of the CPU.

Of course, and as I've said before, I almost get consistent full speed. It is full speed at least 3/4 of the time though.

Budokai Tencaichi 3 does run full speed 99% of the time in single core mode even just @4GHz though (not counting split screen modes, which need dual core enabled and ~4GHz just to do so).
Oh I don't plan on pushing my CPU any higher. In fact I might be able to hit 4.2Ghz but that's it. I'm at 4.12Ghz right now.

So what you said is that at this clock, playing any game full speed should not be a problem?

And that I can use 4X FSAA at 1280 x1024 with my video card?

I do have a GTX 280 OCX which clocks much higher than a regular GTX 280.

I understand that FSAA is GPU dependant but I wasn't sure if pushing FSAA would also have some CPU performance hit and then the games would not be able to run full speed even at 4.12Ghz.

The bottom line is that the only reason I would play PS2 games on the PC, would be to have much better graphics. So for me playing at a high resolution with FSAA is a must. That's why I questioned why you guys were posting screenshots with low resolutions and in windowed mode?
 

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Okay, let me try and answer all of that.
AA isn't truly used in the usual sense. You give it an internal resolution to draw at, and then a lower external resolution to have the screen set to, and if the internal one is higher, it will mimic AA. This actually is a form of AA (called Supersampling, contrare to the more common multisampling), but unless the internal resolution is at least twice the external one, you're not even getting 2xAA, and super sampling is much more performance hungry than "normal" multisampling AA.
The latest GSDX version lets you use Multisampling AntiAliasing in the .ini file. I can use 4xMSAA combined with a internal resolution 1600 x 900 in Resident evil 4 on my Radeon 4850 with the old Catalyst 9.2 drivers so it seems like they are really advancing with the emulators performance.


Budokai Tencaichi 3 does run full speed 99% of the time in single core mode even just @4GHz though (not counting split screen modes, which need dual core enabled and ~4GHz just to do so).
I think I can run that fullspeed on my i7 stock clock with single thread mode. I can't completely remember. I'm going to do more testing. I really want to see how the i7 does clock for clock vs the core 2 duos. I heard that the i7s get a huge boost from Denormals are Zero.


EDIT: Oh wait I can only do full speed with Budokai Tenkaichi 3 when I use speed hacks in single threaded mode. With no speed hacks I get upper 30 FPS to 60fps fluctuations but it stays at 30-49 for the most part.
 

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The latest GSDX version lets you use Multisampling AntiAliasing in the .ini file. I can use 4xMSAA combined with a internal resolution 1600 x 900 in Resident evil 4 on my Radeon 4850 with the old Catalyst 9.2 drivers so it seems like they are really advancing with the emulators performance.




I think I can run that fullspeed on my i7 stock clock with single thread mode. I can't completely remember. I'm going to do more testing. I really want to see how the i7 does clock for clock vs the core 2 duos. I heard that the i7s get a huge boost from Denormals are Zero.


EDIT: Oh wait I can only do full speed with Budokai Tenkaichi 3 when I use speed hacks in single threaded mode. With no speed hacks I get upper 30 FPS to 60fps fluctuations but it stays at 30-49 for the most part.
What's the clock speed of your i7? and you have not overclocked this beast yet?
 

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Try Kill Zone with 2 players playing on Split screen expect around 10 FPS.
 
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