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Today the Kyoto Protocal went into effect across the world. Too bad it's pointless because the USA didn't sign into it because it's economic suicide. Plus China and India the biggest upcoming greenhouse gas polluters are completely uneffected. For those of you who have to do such rediculus things such only being able to drive every other day or something like that i hope you're feeling morally superior. Especially since the beginning of the industrial revolution we've only managed to raise the world temperature by a couple of degrees. Nevermind everybody has overlooked at the good sides of global warming such as less severe winters. Again happy kyoto day.
 

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Seta-San said:
Today the Kyoto Protocal went into effect across the world. Too bad it's pointless because the USA didn't sign into it because it's economic suicide. Plus China and India the biggest upcoming greenhouse gas polluters are completely uneffected. For those of you who have to do such rediculus things such only being able to drive every other day or something like that i hope you're feeling morally superior. Especially since the beginning of the industrial revolution we've only managed to raise the world temperature by a couple of degrees. Again happy kyoto day.
......and?
1) lets get the things clear, The usa in not hole world!

Especially since the beginning of the industrial revolution we've only managed to raise the world temperature by a couple of degrees.
2) lets wait until the becomes a giant fireball

Nevermind everybody has overlooked at the good sides of global warming such as less severe winters.
3) i live in a tropical country and believe me we dont need this place hotter
than alredy is.
edit: you are right on that unicro
 

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i live in a very cold place so i could use a little warming and besides since the USA gives off about 20-25% of emmisions it's more than important for us to participate to give any other countries sacrifice any credibility whatsoever. And, no, the world won't become a giant fireball. The effects of global warming are overhyped by environmental extremeists and hollywood. Furthermore we don't even totally know if the climate change is a natural pattern or that humans have much to do with it. We've been keeping temperature readings for how long? The past 100 years perhaps? That's hardly enough to study off of or predict the cause and effect of natural weather patterns. I'm still waiting for weathermen to be consistantly correct on WEEKLY forecasts and environmentalists are telling us that it's going to be the end of the world in a couple YEARS. At anyrate Bush's Social Security plan has will have a higher rate of succeeding at saving peoples retirement than the kyoto protocol saving this world. By the way i have no confidence in Social Security at all. None what so ever. Even if i am a bush fan boy i have no confidence he or anyone else can fix it. Btw global warming will affect the northern part of the northern hemisphere before it ever touches the tropics.
hellmasterx said:
......and?
1) lets get the things clear, The usa in not hole world!


2) lets wait until the becomes a giant fireball


3) i live in a tropical country and believe me we dont need this place hotter
than alredy is.
edit: you are right on that unicro
 

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Seta-San said:
Nevermind everybody has overlooked at the good sides of global warming such as less severe winters.
You have GOT to be kidding me. Less severe winters may sound good to you, but another implication is much hotter summers. Do you even know how many people die from heat each year, only because they aren't used to the changing climate caused by global warming? These same people are used to the winters and summers they were born with. Forget "less severe" seasons, and think of the more severe ones. Sure, many poor russians might agree with the less severe part, but the way I understand it, the toll of death by temperature alone has already exceeded any previous toll.



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..and environmentalists are telling us that it's going to be the end of the world in a couple YEARS.
I repeat: you have GOT to be kidding me. To whom have you been listening? Research has pointed out that if the process of global warming isn't being countered within 10 years, it might become too late to change anything before the pole caps melt. And that doesn't mean they'll melt right away after 10 years. That's what people say who've spent years of time and effort in funded research to make educated claims.

Do us all a favor and shoot the people who scream "end of the world". ;) Their behaviour is contagious and damaging, and brings forth un- or half-truths.
 

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Seta-San said:
Today the Kyoto Protocal went into effect across the world. Too bad it's pointless because the USA didn't sign into it because it's economic suicide. Plus China and India the biggest upcoming greenhouse gas polluters are completely uneffected. For those of you who have to do such rediculus things such only being able to drive every other day or something like that i hope you're feeling morally superior. Especially since the beginning of the industrial revolution we've only managed to raise the world temperature by a couple of degrees. Nevermind everybody has overlooked at the good sides of global warming such as less severe winters. Again happy kyoto day.
I don’t get it... is it “cool” to be uninformed?
Because saying that less severe winters are a “good side” of global warming is a symptom of utter disinformation. Earth’s climate hangs on a delicate balance, with hundreds of factors affecting it at any one time. That’s why weather forecast seems to be so imprecise… we just don’t have the computational resources needed to accurately predict the weather (and even then, chaotic effects would get in the way, as Lorentz demonstrated back in the 1960s). It’s precisely because of this balance that when you have a “less severe winter” somewhere, you may be screwing up half of the world (with erratic weather patterns, severe droughts, floods… you name it). There’re no good sides to global warming, except for the increased risk of a runaway greenhouse effect.

BTW, no serious researcher is claiming that the world will end in a couple of years. Of course you’ll find a few nutty environmentalists claiming this, but they usually have no scientific background, nor credibility. If you look at the works of serious scientists, you’ll see that the amount of time for everything going FUBAR is far greater (something around 50-100 years, maybe more).

But the window of opportunity in which we can still do something to reverse the current trends is far smaller (something around 10 years), hence the Kyoto Protocol. If the polar ice caps start melting, there’s no going back. Weather patterns will go crazy, coastal areas will be flooded. The Netherlands will have the same fate as Atlantis (ok, I’m joking about the Atlantis part, I know it didn’t exist :p ).

But the way I see the world today, I know that not even Kyoto will be enough to save our environment, specially since the USA didn’t sign it. Maybe there’ll be time to set things right again if:

a) we develop mature nanotechnology in the next 20-25 years (a likely possibility, according to Drexler);
b) we don’t kill each other with it (a less likely possibility, given the vast warfare power of MNT and the existence of trigger-happy presidents like Bush and crazy terrorist types like Osama [and yes, MNT will be available to everyone… it’s ludicrous to try to keep it down]).

Maybe Sun’s former CEO, Bill Joy, was right when he claimed in an article to Wired magazine that “the future doesn’t need us” (although his idea about relinquishment is more dangerous than he seems to realize).

Or, if the Singularity happens before this, we’ll be able to avoid it as well (but I don’t want to get started on AI right now).
 

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Boltzmann said:
But the window of opportunity in which we can still do something to reverse the current trends is far smaller (something around 10 years), hence the Kyoto Protocol. If the polar ice caps start melting, there’s no going back. Weather patterns will go crazy, coastal areas will be flooded. The Netherlands will have the same fate as Atlantis (ok, I’m joking about the Atlantis part, I know it didn’t exist :p ).
At least here's the money and knowledge to at least protect us for a while, but think of other low-level countries such as Bangladesh, who are already having problems with flooding each year...
 

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I agree with Bush when he said "Kyoto doesn't go far enough if the PR China and India are not included." But the fact that was just an excuse makes me hate him.

China use the "we're a developing nation" excuse far too much. For the 2nd largest economy (PPP) they really need to take responsibility.
 

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Bush's scientists were investigating the effects of global warming before assessing a proper response to the situation. I'm sure they'll give no less than a proper report or else they'll be looking at lost funding.

(I do think the Kyoto Protocol is bunk though. It's nice to chip in for the planet and all that rubbish, but it wasn't the most feasible plan in doing so.)
 

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Bush's scientists were investigating the effects of global warming before assessing a proper response to the situation. I'm sure they'll give no less than a proper report or else they'll be looking at lost funding.
Are you serious?? Bush’s administration handling of scientific issues is the worse in history. They’ve distorted scientific data in several issues, just to bend backwards for the big corporations who fund their campaign.

You don’t have to take my word for it, of course. Check out the real scientists who wrote a report on this. Take a look at the Union of Concerned Scientists, for instance. But I’ll give you all the links anyway… draw your own conclusions:

You can download the whole UCS report on the link I provided, in PDF format.

Anyway, when 62 scientists, including Nobel laureates and National Medal of Science recipients sign a report criticizing the Bush administration, I think that there’s a very strong case against Bush. It’s a strong sign that something is very wrong here.

BTW, I’ve recently read an article concerning new evidence for the global warming and it’s deleterious effects. It can be found here.
 
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