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Did they not try this years ago?


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Germany already has some of the strictest prohibitions on videogame violence; but that's not enough for some politicians. Led by Andreas Scheuer from the Christian Social Union, a coalition of Germany's major political parties have proposed a law that would ban violent videogames completely. In an interview with Der Spiegel magazine Sheuer said these games "have no place in Germany's bedrooms."

The opposition disagrees. Politician Grietje Bettin of the Grun party took issue with the redundancy of the law, saying that the regulation already in place are strict enough. The head of Germany's interactive software association, Olaf Wolters, added, "As far we are concerned, there are no such things as killer games, but adult games."

If the law goes through the vote, it will take effect in March, 2008.
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I bet they're just fed up with all those WW2 games we've seen the last couple of years :p

*Cid looks at his sig*

What's German for douchebag? :rolleyes:
 

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I bet jack thompson is creaming all over that.. omg the image! ARGHG!

Yeah like Cid wrote, Theres so many WW2 wars and many of them includes germans and the cliche nazis.I bet they had something to do with Bloodrayne the movie not having any of them.
 

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okay, just to clear that up for you guys. right now germany got the BPjS, whenever they see too much violence in a game it gets BANNED, which means its not really sold in german stores. for example, HL2 suffered that fate if i remember correctly. Them considering to stricten the law is... well, really funny... although to be fair, many games are considered children friendly just by changing the bloodcolor from red to green or some stupid crap like that!
The incident in greece was a different story btw, there they wanted to prohibit gambling, but defined the law so dumb that it meant videogames as well. a few months after they corrected it.
 

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Cid Highwind said:
I bet they're just fed up with all those WW2 games we've seen the last couple of years :p
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Only WW2? Command and Conquer Generals was banned as well, not because it was violent (it was a RTS game), but rather politically incorrect, as it featured an assault mission on Baghdad (Irak), and put the muslims in a 'faction' (GLA) you could consider as the 'United Terr0r1st States'. AND was released before the actual war.

Urban violence already spurted once. Remember the german kid who killed 13 classmates and teachers? he even admitted on his journal he did it to reenact his parties of Counterstrike (50 hours of Counterstrike EACH week). Well too bad the dude killed himself afterwards.

It's not just about violent games or politically embarrassing issues. The actual tendency in Germany is NOT to limit the number of games entering the german market, but rather to contain (or suppress) the IMMORALITY in some of them.

Example:

- Command and Conquer Generals: first version is still banned in Germany. Reason? too realistic warfare. Only the second version is legal using e.g. robots.
- Manhunt (self-explanatory)
- Quake 1, 2, 3 (yes it was)
- Return to Castle Wolfenstein (English version) was banned in Germany. A localised version with no svastikas and a heavily changed story was released though.
- Ethnic Cleansing (for neo-Nazi propaganda, extreme racism and numerous depictions of crimes against humanity). No comment needed, I believe.


The actual reasons (or excuses) for the law changes are that the game producers cause harm to the society by accustoming gamers to enjoy killing (not only, but this is revealing enough).

FPS games are particularly targeted because they are all the same. ONLY ABOUT KILLING. During heights of the video game controversy FPS were described as "murder simulators", because it hardens gamers emotionnally to acts of mass murder, anarchy, genocide, hate, you name it...
Some games people would have found utterly shocking 5 years ago are now seen as 'boring' by hardened hardcore gamers. Remember, kids are the most particularly affected in their mental growth. Adults are not in particular, unless unstable/violent by nature.

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In Germany, video games, as with other media, are subject to censorship, or "decency standards", that are strict by the standards of other European nations. For video games there is the index, which is a list of video games, movies and other media considered having BAD INFLUENCE on children and therefore unsuited for anyone under 18. Articles not suited for anyone under 18 cannot be sold through mail order in Germany. Games showing the killing of humans with blood or severed body parts involved, or in general showing cruelty to humans, are examined by the BPjM (Bundespr?fstelle f?r jugendgef?hrdende Medien) and then in some cases placed on the index, at which point it becomes illegal to advertise the games, display them on store shelves, or sell them to anyone under 18. This of course dramatically impacts sales, so most video game companies selling games into Germany elect to create a special German version that narrowly avoids the index by changing the graphics. Instead of red blood coming out of a wound, green blood is shown, implying that aliens are being killed and not humans; or gears and springs are shown coming out of the wound, implying that the victims are robots. For example, the Contra series, known as Probotector in Europe, repeatedly replaced the heroes and many enemies throughout the series with robots.

The problem with the index is that games cannot be examined by the BPjM prior to their release, even if requested by the manufacturers, as that would be considered censorship by German standards, which is clearly illegal by the German constitution. However, this has lead to many publishers thinking with "scissors in their heads" and removing more content than would have been necessary.

Recently, the index has become a little redundant regarding video games, as the USK's (unabh?ngige Selbstkontrolle = independent Selfcontrol) ratings have been made obligatory and only games, that didn't receive a rating can be placed on "the index". Before 1.4.2003 these ratings had been merely suggestions for gamers.

Also, because of Germany's law banning public displays of Nazism and the swastika, several games have been banned for using these symbols, even if the rationale behind their use is clearly critical of the Nazi philosophy. Games such as Wolfenstein 3D and its sequel Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which involve American soldiers on missions to kill Nazi soldiers, are banned, and such software often reminds the player of its illegality in Germany. The display of Nazi symbols in an accurate historical context is permitted nevertheless. Films, including World War II films of German origin, have proven this point, although the situation with video games is less clear-cut. There are few World War II video games that are deemed to be historically accurate, but the backgrounds of titles such as Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and Commandos: Beyond The Call of Duty do operate on a historically true background, even if the stories central to the games are exaggerated or fictional for purposes of entertainment. Nonetheless, the symbols were removed, although all other references to the Nazis were kept.
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By the way, did you know Pokemon was modified for the western market because of swastikas? Even tough these were only religious symbols in buddhism.

Germany is not trying to limit the number of games available, in fact it wants the violent/controversial ones altered in a 'moral way'. But yeah, FPS games are still too difficult to turn positive unless they feature killing aliens or destroying robots.

Doom 3 anyone? 1 and 2 were banned there but the 3 is not.
 

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Did you guys know Resident Evil 1, 2, 3 and Code Veronica are still banned in Germany but 4 isn't? altough heavily edited/censored.

Game editors will adapt to any new code, but its the german videogame industry that will suffer the most. Hardcore gamers will just get theirs from Austria (in German too) or England.
 

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There are just too many idiots in german politics.
Especially in the Christian Social Union.

I think Doom 3 and RE 4 were not banned because they were already rated as adult games, and after a game has been rated it can't be banned any more.
 
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