No, I wasn't attacking the development of science, bud.
I never said you were attacking it.
Essentially, you see the progression of technology and intelligence for that matter in a somewhat linear way, assuming that just because a species is so advanced as to be able to travel light speed means every mode of thought is "advanced" as you think.
Technology does not increase in a linear progression. It's expansion is exponential (well, sort of). Look at the 20th century if you don't believe me. We develop tools that help us create new tools.
But I really made a small assumption. I assumed that any race that developed FTL travel must be a curious race, so that they would do research on all fronts, biology included. And cloning is a small feat compared to FTL travel. See, we already can make clones but we're not even close to FTL travel. But all of this is unecessary, really.
If they're so interested in biology as to come to a far away planet and take samples from their cattle, then their technology is surely advanced enough to include cloning (see my point above about cloning being way easier than FTL travel).
You can argue (as I did in another thread
) that curiosity is not necessarly needed for technological development. But if a race does not possess this curiosity, they wouldn't be doing experiments with Earthly cattle, would they?
It may seem "illogical", but really, the train of thought you follow is a thought process developed by humans, developed not as an island on its own but also affected by conditions (cultural, biological etc...) unique to humans.
It's illogical from a game theoretical perspective, and also for engineering reasons. Game theory holds true for everyone in the universe. If a race hasn't discovered it, then they can't do FTL travel... really.
Spending more resources than what is needed to accomplish your goals is always illogical. Unless the aliens have Bush among them, and they want to send a manned mission just for political reasons
Anyway, mutilating cattle would still be stupid and unecessary. If we puny humans can see it, why a mighty alien race wouldn't be able to do the same?
Man could've simply waited a bit to develop the most sophisticated tools so there's no need to send a manned expedition out. But in reality, man WANTS to go and experience it, if not only for the difficulty of doing so.
Maybe the need for experience is anthrocentric. But who knows? Maybe it isn't.
Have you seen manned expeditions to Pluto? Do you know why we never sent anyone there (even though many people would be willing to go)? Because it's too costly. And why would aliens waste their time going to another planet to mutilate cattle and make crop circles? Maybe they're intergalactic pranksters?
I'm not saying that aliens did come and create crop circles, nor am I saying they didn't. It's simply more of.. "I won't discount that possibility".
I assign a probability of 10^-20 to it. And I'm being generous
Besides, they could be done with the sampling now and are cloning as we speak :lol:
This sounds too raelian
to me :lol:
But really now... a species that can boast of an incredibly advanced civilization, and that can travel light speed, succumbs to the simplest basic instinct of conquest?
I can't see why not. It's very hard to get rid of your instincts. Are you jealous of your GF/wife? That's an instinct. Do you like to have sex? That's an instinct too. I don't see we getting rid of any of these instincts any time soon.
Anyway, this advanced species of yours wants to mutilate alien cattle and make crop circles. Is that really better than conquest?
And I remember someone telling Elly that development is about not falling to the basest, hard-wired instincts of the self (or something to that effect).
It wasn't me who said that. Personally, I like to have emotions (specially now that I truly understand how emotions and rationality can coexist). The only thing that cannot happen is to let emotions cloud your judgement and act against your goals (killing someone in a fit of rage is one example; going to jail is something that I want to avoid). Other than that I'm fine with emotions.
A bloodthirsty species... you call that an intelligent species?
Emotional content and intelligence are orthogonal to each other. Study evolutionary psychology, neuroscience and cognitive psychology and you'll see it.
See how it can go both ways?
No, I can't.