Brazil all the way emuforums this days....
Boltzmann said::lol: Now even my country is involved in this stuff?
How can people be so obsessed about it? It doesn't even make sense to begin with.
BTW, do you call this “evidence”? Where are the reports of serious scientists and undeniable experimental results?
Can’t you see that this is just a quixotic quest?
People have been talking about UFOs since the 1950s, and the best “evidence” they have is a bunch of blurry/fuzzy pics/videos, a couple of radar anomalies and lots of anecdotal sightings/close encounters/medical experiments. Not to mention the crop circles and cattle mutilation.
As if aliens would travel millions of light years just to mutilate our cattle and make circles in our crops. Yeah, right
Don't try to compare aliens who are able to build ships which travel faster than light to primitive human scientists. Your argument is completely bogus.Kraelis said:Maybe the cows have something that interests them. Maybe they've been trying to recreate a bovarian ecosystem but seem to fail, so they're doing some sample extractions. In the development of science, scientists have done things which seem ridiculous now, but was perfectly sensible back then. It goes with the problem of expanding our frontiers... we lack knowledge. Eventually, we learn.
So they travel thousands of light years to mutilate cattle and make crop circles? And you call this an intelligent species?Kraelis said:And for them, it might be rather important. Humans go all the way to the deepest, darkest parts of the world for research and experimentation. For them, travel might not be such a bad or difficult idea given their objecttives (which we don't really know, so we can't tell if it's worth it or not)
Ooh... I think I hit a nerve there.Boltzmann said:Don't try to compare aliens who are able to build ships which travel faster than light to primitive human scientists. Your argument is completely bogus.
If they are this advanced and just want to do some experimenting, they'd simply send a probe to retrieve a DNA sample from our cows (no need to waste resources on a manned mission) and clone all the cows they wanted (even allowing for genetic diversity if they wanted it).
The way you put it, you make the aliens look like 18th century human scientists doing experiments on abiogenesis.
So they travel thousands of light years to mutilate cattle and make crop circles? And you call this an intelligent species?
If anything, Independence Day got the right idea. They wouldn't come wanting to mutilate our cattle, or talk about how we should stop manufacturing nuclear weapons. They would come to conquer. This is the simplest instinct in nature, and it's not unlikely to happen somewhere else.
I never said you were attacking it.Kraelis said:No, I wasn't attacking the development of science, bud.
Technology does not increase in a linear progression. It's expansion is exponential (well, sort of). Look at the 20th century if you don't believe me. We develop tools that help us create new tools.Kraelis said:Essentially, you see the progression of technology and intelligence for that matter in a somewhat linear way, assuming that just because a species is so advanced as to be able to travel light speed means every mode of thought is "advanced" as you think.
It's illogical from a game theoretical perspective, and also for engineering reasons. Game theory holds true for everyone in the universe. If a race hasn't discovered it, then they can't do FTL travel... really.Kraelis said:It may seem "illogical", but really, the train of thought you follow is a thought process developed by humans, developed not as an island on its own but also affected by conditions (cultural, biological etc...) unique to humans.
Have you seen manned expeditions to Pluto? Do you know why we never sent anyone there (even though many people would be willing to go)? Because it's too costly. And why would aliens waste their time going to another planet to mutilate cattle and make crop circles? Maybe they're intergalactic pranksters?Kraelis said:Man could've simply waited a bit to develop the most sophisticated tools so there's no need to send a manned expedition out. But in reality, man WANTS to go and experience it, if not only for the difficulty of doing so.
Maybe the need for experience is anthrocentric. But who knows? Maybe it isn't.
I assign a probability of 10^-20 to it. And I'm being generousKraelis said:I'm not saying that aliens did come and create crop circles, nor am I saying they didn't. It's simply more of.. "I won't discount that possibility".
This sounds too raelian to me :lol:Kraelis said:Besides, they could be done with the sampling now and are cloning as we speak :lol:
I can't see why not. It's very hard to get rid of your instincts. Are you jealous of your GF/wife? That's an instinct. Do you like to have sex? That's an instinct too. I don't see we getting rid of any of these instincts any time soon.Kraelis said:But really now... a species that can boast of an incredibly advanced civilization, and that can travel light speed, succumbs to the simplest basic instinct of conquest?
It wasn't me who said that. Personally, I like to have emotions (specially now that I truly understand how emotions and rationality can coexist). The only thing that cannot happen is to let emotions cloud your judgement and act against your goals (killing someone in a fit of rage is one example; going to jail is something that I want to avoid). Other than that I'm fine with emotions.Kraelis said:And I remember someone telling Elly that development is about not falling to the basest, hard-wired instincts of the self (or something to that effect).
Emotional content and intelligence are orthogonal to each other. Study evolutionary psychology, neuroscience and cognitive psychology and you'll see it.Kraelis said:A bloodthirsty species... you call that an intelligent species?
No, I can't.Kraelis said:See how it can go both ways?
I'm already bowing to my cockroach overlords.Suicide_Jaqie said:I believe aliens exist.I mean what is the probability that the little amount of living life on this small planet is the only life in the entire universe(which is never ending?)That's just one point.Then i belive cows will oneday take over the world.So maybe aliens are the ones that enhance their intelligence.Racoons will be joining the cows in world domination,just a side note. Racoons don't need alien help however.They've got humans' trash.It's amazing what people throw away these days.Just think of what a racoon could find in a garbadge bin of a laboratory.
that can be a ball, being dropped from the sky.ShadowDancer said: