[RedLion]

Rejoice, the RTX Ray Tracing is the new PhysX/HairWorks!

I'm not really surprised.

Edit:

This is gold, Nvidia Pascal GPUs will get ray tracing drivers in April

So basically, the whole "hardware RTX thing" was just mainly bullshit ?

 

[Outerbeast]

Bullshit insofar as the real time usability of raytracing in games using RT cores
but those RT cores are real- real garbage.

 

[u3L05 vh9jV]

I'm not a fan of NVIDIA, mainly because promoting harmful practices among developers by violating standards and then being praised for a final product will only work properly on their hardware.
The few open source projects that they have are hard to maintain and are then replaced by "better" proprietary software, such as VDPAU for giving an example.

In fact, their hardware it's actually very good. But their practices are the worst, let Linus Torvalds tell us why:

RTX/OptiX for gaming is a dick move, that's all, nothing more. Said functionality belongs to Quadro and Tesla GPUs.
In video games you can do things that look better with few resources, even if they are not 100% realistic.

 

[RedLion]

Nvidia goes Super. They are ( already ? ) refreshing their RTX line and the new names are the following: RTX 20x0S ( replace the x with 6, 7 or 8 ). Maybe they are feeling Navi is the GPU that will actually burn their greedy arses. Back on topic, the RTX 2060S will have 8GB of ram with the ( rumoured ) performance of a current RTX2070, so that's the only refresh I find actually interesting.
Source: https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...looking-increasingly-less-Super.423124.0.html

Speaking of Navi, The first GPUs are reported to be launched in July. The first one should be named RX5700 and AMD claims it's 10% faster than a RTX2070. However, no other Navi GPU has been announced and no laptop variant too. So, like the Radeon VII, it looks like it will be a single GPU launch ( *sigh* ). AMD NEEDS to stop that. It makes it look like they are releasing in a rush unfinished products, or at least, unfinished products lines.
Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-claims-navi-based-radeon-rx-5700-is-10-percent-faster-than-an-rtx-2070/

 

[-StrikE-]

Well the Radeon VII more or less was an unfinished launched product.... Hopefully they will learn with NAVI, that said performance similar to an RTX2070... Its quite different from what they said as in navi being midrange, i really hope its not another Radeon VII mess all over again...

 

[snickothemule]

Radeon VII in my conspiracy brain was a testing product of the new node. They paid for the silicon and did a few shakedown runs, might as well sell it off to keep shareholders looking like they are doing something.

5700XT looks interesting, somewhat. Let's see where the R&D went.

 

[-StrikE-]

Radeon VII was one of their business/production cards stripped down so that they show people they are still alive till navi, i don't think any share holder was pleased since it was sold almost at a loss.

 

[guest.r]

Navi is a modern card, has a lot of candies like input lag reduction, sharpening, target frame rate power saving, signal compression for high resolutions/refresh rates, decoding/encofing support, PCIe 4.0 etc.

I would prefer it to the GTX 10x0 series, definetelly. If the price will be right might catch one. OTOH nVidia might deliver price drops with their rumored "Super" refresh. This summer will be interesting.

 

[RedLion]

Navi is a modern card, has a lot of candies like input lag reduction, sharpening, target frame rate power saving, signal compression for high resolutions/refresh rates, decoding/encofing support, PCIe 4.0 etc.

I would prefer it to the GTX 10x0 series, definetelly. If the price will be right might catch one. OTOH nVidia might deliver price drops with their rumored "Super" refresh. This summer will be interesting.

You know, I have no problem with AMD proposing interesting architectures. What bothers me is their half-assed product lineups. They need to correct that. And to propose solid laptops versions of their GPUs. For the moment, Nvidia has the upper-hand, especially when you talk mobility.

 

[Outerbeast]

Meanwhile the folks that had already jumped on the RTX hype train and bought the stock RTX 2000 series cards will be very pissed to hear that the Super versions will go for around the same price...
This couldn't have been the best answer to AMD's Navi, could it? I don't have a problem with the refreshing the series, it's the fact it's screwing over folks that were eager to buy the RTX cards at launch. The cards are direct replacements of the non-super one's, making them obsolete. This was a dick move on Nvidia's part, really is a big fuck-you to the folks already stuck with the normal RTX cards since they payed full price for them- which is more or less the same price as the better Super cards are now. If anything, this will anger enough people to refuse buying the cards, which will hurt Nvidia in the long run- although they do have the die-hard Nvidia fuccbois who are willing to throw money at anything Nvidia makes. It's almost as if they knew that they could get away with a refresh because such a fandom exists.
Funny that, just a few years ago, AMD were being grilled for doing pretty much the same thing with the RX 400/500 series cards and everyone was quick to point that out...

This is why you should never buy things in or around the launch time of products. Why are people so impatient and not wait at least 6-8 months? Same can be said for the i9 9900k circlejerk- and that cpu is pretty much fucking dead now.

Anyways, good job AMD, full credit to them.

 

[-StrikE-]

This is why you should never buy things in or around the launch time of products. Why are people so impatient and not wait at least 6-8 months? Same can be said for the i9 9900k circlejerk- and that cpu is pretty much fucking dead now.

Because that's when i had money to upgrade and the RTX 2060 was quite more nicely priced then the 1070, so of course you'd buy the better performing RTX card, this "Super" move is indeed questionable to a degree by nvidia, but things aren't black and white as a customer, by the time "Super" would have been out i wouldn't had the money to upgrade for example. So i don't regret my decision, and even with 6 Gb of Vram, the 2060 honestly answers very well to my expectations. The RTX lineup at the start of the year was just more nicely priced compared to the older 1XXX generation, of course people would start buying them if needed to upgrade, its not about waiting or not, its about getting the best bang for your buck at that period of time, when the newer generation of cards performs better then the old one and is priced the same or better of course you'd buy them.

PS: though i do feel it would only be proper for NVIDIA to allow me to download more VRAM as compensation.

 

[cikos649]

I use the GT640, very outdated, but still spinning In any case, would choose Nvidia.

 

[Thanakil]

The RTX 3090 will supposedly be able to do 8K @ 60fps for multiple games. But it has the cost of an entire computer on its own.
The RTX 3080 is supposedly twice as fast as the regular RTX 2080. That's a pretty big boost, for a price similar to the Super RTX 2080, 700$.
The RTX 3070 is supposedly faster than the RTX 2080 Ti while being released for 500$.
The cards also come with a new design for the cooler, which is meant to be both significantly cooler and quieter.
In terms of "TFLOPS", the numbers appear to be: 20, 30, and 36.
They also made improvements to their hardware support for DLSS and Ray Tracing. Those cores should now get better performance than the previous generation of cards.

Pretty expensive, but the jump in power is thankfully quite considerable.
AMD next generation of cards should be revealed soon too, with a launch before the end of the year, but they might be aiming for a more economical mid-range goal instead of the intense power of the 3080/3090.

 

[lagunareturns]

The RTX 3080 is supposedly twice as fast as the regular RTX 2080. That's a pretty big boost, for a price similar to the Super RTX 2080, 700$.

So far it has confirmed 2x only when ray tracing is used... Still that is the area it is lacking so good but it is trick their shareholders that it is much more powerful.

 

[Thanakil]

So far it has confirmed 2x only when ray tracing is used... Still that is the area it is lacking so good but it is trick their shareholders that it is much more powerful.

That does make more sense, since I think the difference in raw tflops is 20 to 30. So I imagine around 1.5 times more powerful without RT, 2 times more powerful with RT.

 

[@ruantec]

That does make more sense, since I think the difference in raw tflops is 20 to 30. So I imagine around 1.5 times more powerful without RT, 2 times more powerful with RT.

DF got a 3080 earlier and they released a video today showing performance between 60-85% over the 2080 which is quite remarkable to me. I was planning to get the 3090 but after seeing the size and no real performance comparison except for 8k I think the 3080 may be the one for me. I can also wait a little until the 3080ti eventually drops and get that one instead.

So far Nvidia kill it in my opinion andI can't wait to get my hands in one of those. I think it was a great idea to skip the 2080ti after all.

 

[Thanakil]

DF got a 3080 earlier and they released a video today showing performance between 60-85% over the 2080 which is quite remarkable to me. I was planning to get the 3090 but after seeing the size and no real performance comparison except for 8k I think the 3080 may be the one for me. I can also wait a little until the 3080ti eventually drops and get that one instead.

So far Nvidia kill it in my opinion andI can't wait to get my hands in one of those. I think it was a great idea to skip the 2080ti after all.

I might go for something more budget, since the current plan is to build a mid-range PC for my girlfriend while upgrading mine. So maybe 3070 for me and give her my 1080 for now.
I think AMD will be going after the 3070 and the midrange, so I'll wait and see what they've got to offer, but Nvidia did surprise me. This is bigger than I expected after some of their more recent cards, I like the improvements.

 

[@ruantec]

I might go for something more budget, since the current plan is to build a mid-range PC for my girlfriend while upgrading mine. So maybe 3070 for me and give her my 1080 for now.
I think AMD will be going after the 3070 and the midrange, so I'll wait and see what they've got to offer, but Nvidia did surprise me. This is bigger than I expected after some of their more recent cards, I like the improvements.

So far Nvidia's claims seems to be true so the 3070 is faster than the 2080ti which we know is a damn good card but you get that power for a far lower price. That being said even going for the lower one of the 3 you are still over the top of last gen cards. Nvidia suprised me a lot with their presentation but more so with the raw performance that DF show in their video.

The bigger surprise for me is the huge leap in performance that I wasn't expecting to see since the 2xxx series are stunning performers by themselves even if the leap between 2xxx and 1xxx wasn't that huge.

I was checking my case and I have enough room for the 3090 and even a bigger card lol so even if I choose the top one I will be fine.

 

[JohnKlein94]

Nvidia goes Super. They are ( already ? ) refreshing their RTX line and the new names are the following: RTX 20x0S ( replace the x with 6, 7 or 8 ). Maybe they are feeling Navi is the GPU that will actually burn their greedy arses. Back on topic, the RTX 2060S will have 8GB of ram with the ( rumoured ) performance of a current RTX2070, so that's the only refresh I find actually interesting.
Source: NVIDIA's mysterious GPUs are looking increasingly less "Super"

Speaking of Navi, The first GPUs are reported to be launched in July. The first one should be named RX5700 and AMD claims it's 10% faster than a RTX2070. However, no other Navi GPU has been announced and no laptop variant too. So, like the Radeon VII, it looks like it will be a single GPU launch ( sigh ). AMD NEEDS to stop that. It makes it look like they are releasing in a rush unfinished products, or at least, unfinished products lines.
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Totally agree with your reasoning.