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hmm.. apperently she forgot to mention the palestinian "tactics" on us. check the news at any time to understand what i mean.

there was little or no coverage of Israeli land confiscation, demolition of Palestinian homes, wanton arrests and torture of Palestinian civilians.
i know everyone gonna jump and say that i am wrong.. we were over this already. so i'll say it again! the so called "confiscated" land was bought by israel or conquered during the wars (6 day war, yom kipur). i hope a country is allowed to do whatever she wants with her territory (and by saying "whatever she wants" i don't mean genocide, torture or unreasonable arrests mainly because those didn't happen).

I also linked this query with my findings that The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post - and most of our nation's print media - are owned and/or controlled by Jews supportive of Israel. It was for these reasons, I deduced that they send so many reporters to cover Israel - and to do so largely from the Israeli point of view.
if she weren't dead i would have killed here myself. to think that all those jewish owners do it on purpose. after all.. the middle east is a hot subject. in her mind she thinks that jews make USA do as they say. haven't i heard that before? sounds familiar.. if i am not mistaken.. it was in germany.. nazi germany.. am i right?



insight my ass.
 
I personally have never heard anything much about the Palestinian end about deaths, except about "palestinian terrorist"" who are in fact truly defending themselves.
For your information the number of deaths in the palestinian side is really really small. before you tell me that the media hides information i'll tell you that a couple of soldiers i know told me about it.
that frase: who are in fact truly defending themselves is really not true. first of all: how they defend themselves against innocent civilions? that's called an aggresive action.
 
Well I may not want to make friends with a Jew, but I certainly don't want to make enemies with a Jew like that lady who wrote this article.
that just proves that you are an ignorant rasist (no insult intended)

Sorry ArchiBald, guess you may not be the happiest person viewing this article. But ever since the prophet Muhammed preached Islam, Jews were against the Muslims. And about this Holy Land, many sources leads me to say that God banished the Children of Isreal from the said land after they refused to wage war alongside with Prophet Moses on the Palestinians who were there at the tme
jews were against the muslims? i want to see proof.
wage war against the plishtim (not palestinians.. those are not the same people) with moses?! are you kidding me?! those are not the same times AND the jews did wage war against them (with solomon as their king) and won!
xRock - what would you do? Killing of innocent people - i dont know about that, but what I do know is that a tanker against stone? is that what you call self-defense on the part of isrealis? in case you already dont know stones are weaker than missiles.
you really don't know? 2000 innocent israelis didn't die? sorry.. my bad.. i bet the bombing that was RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE WAS JUST A FAKE!!

Why dont you all understand? Its like swatting an insect. The Americans on their part, provide weapons to the Israelis, why dont they just take away all of it. America is supposed to be the most powerful, so take away all arms from everyone. Then atleast the killings would be minimised?
you know that russia began providing weapons to arabian countries right? oh that's a lie too? that was not on the news? how do you think arabian countries got a hold of their weapons during the 6 day war or the war of "yom kipur"? out of the plane sky?

Why the f[]ck dont the Christians, Jews, Indians and others hate us so much? NO APPARENT REASON.
actualy it's pretty apperent with their explotions.. and terrorism around the world..
i really don't know what islam preaches.. but i do know that the arabians declared jihad.. holy war on the world. isn't that enoght?!

Nuclear power, when Iran started to generate Electricity through Nuclear Energy, America started getting upset, they are being forced to close down the facility while getting some puniy bribes on their part. Why do Americans have nuclear energy. Even America spend more money than any other country in this world for nuclear warheads, for weapons, for killings. WHY is that so, while others cant even have nuclear energy for electricity. Is this Just?
it's not just. i totally agree. i don't want iran to have nuclear energy.. nor US. no one should have such power. and i think you are alittle nieve about iran's intentions.. you do know that iran made/makes threats about using nuclear weapons right?

As for the part of Islams, we dont hate anyone. We dont make wars with others. In case you already don't know, even the America-Iraq, America-Afghanistan, Israel-Palestine, these wars were started by Americans and Israels.
yes.. those wars were started by americans. no doubt about it. but the palestininan-israeli war was started by the palestinians. it began in the early 20's with bands of arabians started to attack innocent jews and later the great riots in the 30's. don't tell me that the jews took the lands by force and that's why they began attacking. all the lands were bought with the concent of the arabians that owned the land ...with money that was collected in europe by the zionists. the lands were accouired with the supervision of the utmanian (sp?) empire.
 
Well, there have been casualties.....I don't deny. But tell me, when did a palestinian fighter shelled one of your towns? All in all, I only have to say that at worst its even. But the ratio is much more than 1:1. On one side you have tanks and heavy fire power against the innocents. On the other hand, you've got suicide bombers against the innocents. Both sides have innocents dying and the count doesn't matter. Even a single one shouldn't die......
amm.. i'm pretty positive that that the tanks are used for clearing way for the troops that try to find labaratries and suspects. but i bet that's highly since a soldier that was actouly their told me (i'm sorry if i sound sarcastic.. but it just really eritates me..)
when you say shelled you mean shot at a town? plenty town.. shlomi, gush katif.. other settelments.. jerusalem.

I think your thinking patterns are strictly under influence from the news media. Or may be you were never explain what Jihaad means. Holy War on the World, that's quite an immature statement. Now before you go on sayin anything regarding Jihad.....I suggest you do some homework. If you want, I'll help you with your homework here. Or, you can read the first page of my website too. It has a hint of Jihaad in it. I am on Jihaad myself. (and I am NOT talking about playing CS online).
i already told you i don't really understand the ways. but that's what the palestinian leaders say on the news. crystal clear.

Oh c'mon. I am almost about to check your profile for your age. Its simple.....USA can't risk an Islamic country going all independant. It wants to remain a super power and one of the most dangerous super powers (dangerous for USA) can be the USI. It may sound like bull to you, but I suggest a visit to an ear specialist if it does.
what you say is right, ofcource..
amm.. just out of curiosity.. would you let a country like iran become so strong? (nad lets leave usa out of it ok?)

do you think that it is ok for the palestinians to use such methods like suiside bombings on innocent people?
 
Jihad != holy war. Jihad = to exert more effort (phyically, mentally, finanually) than usual in order to obtain/reach a goal.

psst, they're called "arabs" btw...
like i said.. i don't really know about those things. i just tell you what i learned.

Huh? The british occupied the land after the arabs revolted on the turks. The british then handed the land to the jews in complience to balfour's declaration. The problem broke out after this, with the palastenians being forced out of their homes by Zionist militants. Up till this date, there are palastenians refugees dispered in lebanon, syria, jordan and eygpt. Till this day, Isreal refuses to aknowledge their problem and insists that they shouldn't return back.
hmm. zionist militants? look, from what i have learned every peace of land was bought by the jews. most of those negative thisng you hear about the jews during those times are provocations of arabs. i wont deny the fact that there was agrresive action from groups like organization b and "ezel" but you must understand that up until the declaration most of the jews ("hagana" if you know what it is) kept a strategy of defence rather then ofence.


So ArchIBaLD your post looks like a person brainwashed into thinking that Isreal can never be worng typed it as far as I can see,
if i wasn't living here i might have agreed with you. but i do. i don't need to be brainwashed to see what's going on.


amm.. maybe you answered this question already but can someone tell me why do arabs understand the qoran diffrently?
 
Care to explain that a bit more?
oh god.. did you fall of mars or something? until the declaration of indipandance in 1948 all of the territories were bought by the jews!! the Golan, Sinai and such territories were infact conqoured during the 6 day war and the yom kipur war. back then our government offered the arab countries those conquered territories in exange for peace. they didn't accept (only later :)).

i really hope you understand.
 
You're so sure because a soldier who had been there told you that.
I am driving a tank. I saw a possible terrorist. I see him going behind the wall. I fire and blew the chunk out of that wall thinking I got my man. I get off, I walk to that wall. I can no longer think about my target, I see a sad sight. The rubbles crush a little child. He may the target's relative. He may be just a run away from home. But he was innocent. I fired, he died.

I come back to my place. Having talks with my friend, in a group. Will I ever say that I killed a child? And if it was a soldier explaining some events to some kid, will he EVER say that I killed a child? NO. Try to rise above yourself, and try to visualize and realize the whole reality
Fortunatly you can't hide such things and the people that do those things are being put to trial. no one gets away (and some of my freinds even laught at this because our government is so self righteus). i know it sounds REALLY cruel and horrible but some of those kids help the hamas and hisbala according to the army. yes i know, maybe it's a blunt lie but i see no reason to tell about such things to the media..

And by Sheeling I meant to ask if a Palestinian Apache was ever spotted firing rockets in any of these cities. Anyways, leave that.
obviusly they don't apache but the do have catushiot (i really don't know how to spell that in english, sorry) that the fire at settelments and cities like ashkelon and shderot.

Please, you've got a whole life to live. Don't take anyone's word for granted......don't let your conscience go silent. You don't understand the ways because you never tried to understand them
i really don't know what you mean. they don't talk about idioligy or somthing like that that can be misinterpitened im my eyes. they clearly say that they will continue to explode and kill jews. maybe you can explain those extremely voge things they say.

What do you mean by a country like Iran? What "kind" of a country is Iran? Personally, I think everyone should have nuclear capabilities. If there has to be something as f|_|cked up as a nuclear war, then I suggest make it the last war ever. . . .
well, over the years they did threaten us with their nuclear weapons. it's no secret. what kind of country is iran? how about offencive to israel? or any other country. it doesn't metter.

Tell me, do you really take that image of a senseless leader running lunatic with a nuclear bomb? If you can take it in case of Iran.....then a person like me (who may suck at visualization) don't even have to visualize anything. I can already see a running example. Its not Iran, its the states. "image of a senseless leader running lunatic with a nuclear bomb" - lol. *cries*
if you can visualize bush with a nuke then i can do the same with the leader of iran.

I am more interested into knowing what motivated you into asking this?
oh that's easy. you are muslim and i thought you can inlighten me on the subject since it's really hard for me to understand how can intaire nation condone (sp?) such actions and even support it openly.

What if the Imaam of my mosque is being framed by another terrorist organization as the terrorist? Fake proofs, fake everything. I know the Imaam, I spend the whole days with him under his guidance. Now when the authorities come to take him away, I will protest. I will hide him. I will call him my brother.
first of all there is no such thing as framing. never was (only framing of jews, not between themselves) and never will be, i guess. i think you are approching this the wrong way. most of the cases (yes, your scenario may be true but highly unlikly) are arranged in different ways. the terrorist that is running from authority hides in a designated place with a member of the hamas for example. this is how cells work, not only in israel, in us too. its not made up, it's a whole strategy that has been used for years.

Also the fact that there are MANY variations of bibles....man made alterations
this is so not true. there were scripts found in the dead sea. 7 insignificant changes. for you information the old bible and the modern one has a difference in about 12 places.

if you are reffering to the mishna, yes it is edited, many times. but it was written many years after the bible and descusses the traditions and the ways of the jewish people. that's as far as i know.


boy.. that was endeed a long post :| better go eat :)
 
yes i do!! what so bad about being patriotic?! you know, exactly 2 meters from where i live there is an arabic naihborhood and you know? i know exactly how the second side feels right after a terrorist attack: music, fun, gun shots whatever. you know, from one side everyone tells me how bad it to listen to media since it's lying yet you use multiple sources. i see everything first hand. yes, i know how they suffer near settelments and in gaza. but during the years israel offered them countless times the territory in exchange for peace. they are shooting themselves in the leg.

btw, since i do see everything first hand i can tell you that your sources are sometimes wrong.

and i like to change the caps on my nicks :)
 
@proto

Of course it is better said than done. However, a first step is to stop thinking of the other side as "those sore losers who don't know how to die in the hole they belong to" and instead start thinking along the lines of "those HUMAN BEINGS (yes!, believe it or not they are human beings too :p) that feel the same pain than me, that may be feeling the same anger than me, and that (surprise!) pertain to my very same race. I race I'm deciding to destroy"
human beings explode themselves in the streets? do human beings gloat (sp?) and celabrate the death of people?

look, i'm not saying they are not human and i'm defently not saying "those sore losers who don't know how to die in the hole they belong to"
what i'm saying is that their fighting should stop, and that they have to learn to live in peace with us. i'm saying that all those things written in that damn artical are wrong.
and i'm saying that i support my country and the military.

not all may have connection to patriotism but it's what i feel. :)
 
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