[runawayprisoner]

Up for the task of elaborating on that, without going wrong?

Mind explaining why you need a Core 2 Quad in a Linux computer for casual usage? Has Linux got that bloated already?

So what you're saying is, prebuilt PCs are more about being no frills and needing less direct involvement from the end user, and most non-enthusaists don't put as much money into OEMs as enthusiasts put into custom built PCs? That's kind of stating the obvious.

But isn't that the truth now? You did admit it's "obvious", right?

You seem to be painting them as more of a "waste" per se, and that I don't fully agree with. Everyone has hobbies where they put more money into something than someone else who just wants enough to get by. If it wasn't PCs, it'd be something else.

Ah, no, that's not what I meant. I'm just painting them as exactly what they are to anybody and not exactly to enthusiasts.

If you ask me personally as an enthusiast, I'd always say that the performance and stability of a "properly" overclocked platform is well worth every penny spent, and every drop of sweat shed. But... like you said, that's my hobby. I have to admit it when people around me who are less knowledgeable say that I'm wasting too much money... That's just reality. Like... do you think someone collecting stamps is wasting his time? That's what it is. You can brag about having the best computer in the world that has like... quad-SLI and a 8-core i7 running at 5GHz with RAM enough to make a ram drive and store 10 years worth of pr0n... but when asked what the system is for, what are you going to say?

Also, as for point number two, so far as I know, most (maybe all) OEMs won't void your warranty if you simply open the case, or replace or add parts. They won't cover the part you added obviously (it's own warranty will), or any possible damage done by you in the process (if they find out, which is the key part), but most are pretty lenient in that regard.

Well, the "know" part is the problem. It's just like the thing with Microsoft and the 360. Sometimes they charge, sometimes they don't. I think it's more of a lottery... like if your PC gets sent to a repair center where the staff is lenient then they'll do it. Otherwise you get your @$$ charged the hell out of (down to every ridiculous service fee imaginable). I've got mixed reports, but most are negative... and that's why guys who open computer repair shops still make a living these days. If warranties were covered perfectly without fees anywhere for most OEMs all over the world then private repair shops would be dead. You really should cruise around San Jose and Santa Clara sometimes.

 

[Purkinje]

Sure Macs are better, except for when they aren't...

 

[Princess Garnet]

But isn't that the truth now? You did admit it's "obvious", right?

That's exactly my point. You're making a big point about the extremely obvious. Most of here know that, yet we're still enthusiasts, so I'd say we don't care. "Reality" is a subjective thing. We (at least, I, but I assume most of us) don't care if some non-enthusiast calls what we do a waste. What do I care if "the real world" outside of my "real world" thinks this or that? Seriously? That is what is just a waste. A hobby is a hobby, and anyone not in that hobby will see it as more of a waste. Maybe it bothers you a little, but whatever floats your boat. It'd be the same story no matter what the hobby was. I do what I enjoy and get with others who enjoy it. Nothing else matters. I know there are people less into the subject who don't go as far into things with it, but telling us the obvious about it seems pointless, no?

If you ask me personally as an enthusiast, I'd always say that the performance and stability of a "properly" overclocked platform is well worth every penny spent, and every drop of sweat shed. But... like you said, that's my hobby. I have to admit it when people around me who are less knowledgeable say that I'm wasting too much money... That's just reality. Like... do you think someone collecting stamps is wasting his time? That's what it is. You can brag about having the best computer in the world that has like... quad-SLI and a 8-core i7 running at 5GHz with RAM enough to make a ram drive and store 10 years worth of pr0n... but when asked what the system is for, what are you going to say?

When it comes to my family, who aren't enthusiasts, I just say it's a really powerful PC (even though it's not very top of the line anymore), such as, gaming, and most of them acknowledge it, even if they aren't "into" it, although they are impressed that I can help them with most things PC related. They like hearing about the next OS, or cheaper places to get RAM than Best Buy, or that you can add more hard drives, or online games, or internet packages/speed/details, or whatever.

My girlfriend has the same view I just explained to you about the matter (not about PCs specifically, but about "doing excessive things that may be waste"). It's my hobby, and she accepts that it's my thing. She therefore doesn't think it's "pointless" or a "waste". She's not super into it, but she does enjoy it quite a bit.

For any random person, I could care less? As I said, they're entitled to their opinion.

Others thinking it's "pointless" isn't going to make me doubt or shame on myself for it. I don't know why you seem to imply that you feel even a bit that way. I think the real issue here is that you're doubting yourself because of what others think about the matter, but, I don't really have room to speak there from lack of information on you and the situation. I'm just going on the doubt you seem to be expressing here.

 

[Phil]

Macs use the same Intel chips as most PC's do. So I really do not see why there is an argument going on, some things a MAC is better at (graphic design) while a PC is has a wider scope of use. Apple played it smart and went the Ferrari way of marketing, making their product desirable (use of aluminum, clever ergonomics and ease of use). A Ferrari is not mod-able a Honda, but which one gets more looks? Apple knows this, (the Macbook Air for example) and that's why you never see an Apple with a low price. On the other hand, a Nissan GTR can be modded to beat a Ferrari, but which would you have in your garage

And Rap, I do not want to hear it. Until you reveal the specs of your desktop, ill state that your masculinity has been totally ruined by that travesty to computing known as the EEE -PC.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

For me cutom bulit pc>anything else......if i buy anything else down the market it wont have that personal feeling attached to it.........

 

[Spyhop]

For me cutom bulit pc>anything else

Only if the parts are good and the person building it knows wtf they're doing.

 

[Phil]

Very true.

 

[gamefreak94]

I think only 5% of the computer using population can put together a good combo of components which are compatible with each other and more cost-effective then a pre-built machine.

 

[P_RePTiLe]

Mind explaining why you need a Core 2 Quad in a Linux computer for casual usage? Has Linux got that bloated already?

Not _need_, and not quad-core specifically.

But The same reason for having a new and powerful rig in any os?
They way you went a little wrong was implying that you cannot do the same things in linux than you can i windows (like the old games-debate for instance).

It is actually even more interesting to have new hardware in linux since it is a more modern and much more updated os than windows for instance, especially when you use one of the more "bleeding edge" distributions.

I can even run DX10 games in my linux

But anyways, the way you phrased, limiting linux to some obscure science-prject-thing, is just far from the truth, that is all.

 

[Fadingz]

The main difference between MAC and PC is industry design, period.
If you like one, you like it; if you don't, then you don't.

Their function and lifetime expectancy are almost identical.
Core components are from the same manufacturer.
Only mobo, psu, and etc are made by each prebuild corps.

Regardless, the argument should be:
--Dell vs HP vs MAC vs etc. in hardware
--M$ vs MAC in OS

 

[tuanming]

There was an article surveying with polls and it turned out 'quite' interesting results. So much for loyalty or die-hard fans =) It's funny how the population of Mac users which 80 percents of its users have boot camp to a "Windows OS". I guess Mac users still feels the needs to have a Windows environment to do other tasks, not just making image or picture all day long! lol.

 

[Fadingz]

I do images 2d/3d, I do programming, I do simulation, but I still use Windows lol.
I actually hate MAC OS with passion lol...

 

[tuanming]

People say Macs are great for pictures and video but the same can be said to Windows too! Not to mention PCs are always the first to have the latest and greatest bleeding-edge technology and hardware, so my question is why do people still say that Mac is better, lol?

Everything a mac can do, a pc does it better in my opinion.

 

[Fadingz]

I don't get a lot of things actually...
PC and MAC share same GPU and CPU... so duh....
software you can find on MAC can be found on PC too, so... (More on PC, believe it or now lol)

WHAT EXACTLY IS THE DIFFERENCE?!
It's all about preference of interface...

It's almost like:
Do you like Coca-Cola or Pepsi?

 

[Spyhop]

I don't get a lot of things actually...
PC and MAC share same GPU and CPU... so duh....
software you can find on MAC can be found on PC too, so... (More on PC, believe it or now lol)

WHAT EXACTLY IS THE DIFFERENCE?!
It's all about preference of interface...

It's almost like:
Do you like Coca-Cola or Pepsi?

Macs and PCs do share the same CPUs, and GPUs. But PCs vary in parts quality for everything else. Cases, power supplies, ram, motherboards, drives, peripherals. Apple generally maintains their build quality. PCs range anywhere between total pieces of crap to higher build quality than apple.

 

[Fadingz]

Macs and PCs do share the same CPUs, and GPUs. But PCs vary in parts quality for everything else. Cases, power supplies, ram, motherboards, drives, peripherals. Apple generally maintains their build quality. PCs range anywhere between total pieces of crap to higher build quality than apple.

As I said, it's not about PC, it's about Dell, HP, custom built, and etc.
Why do you think Dell offers 4 different prices for 'same specs'?

 

[tuanming]

I actually think Macs are harder to use because it is not intuitive or user friendly like most Windows Operating System. Windows 7 is currently the most easiest, user friendly, and intuitive approach to work, use, and play on.

And you always get the feeling that you are enclosed in a limited space box. At least that how my perspective goes when it comes to mac...

 

[SupaDupa420]

just to but in if you wanna run Mac OS X Snow Leapord on a PC all you have to do is set your SCSi drive to use AHCI or ACPI and it should auto boot any Mac OS X Retail DVDS (DL) you put in it..

that being so.. I dual boot Mac OS X Snow Leapord 64 bit with Windows 7 32 bit (soon to be 64) havent had any problems just upgraded to a BFG 9800 GT I have to say though some games are a **** of alot faster on Mac OS X , Windows games can't seem to win when it comes to old games I played Worms 3D on OS X the other day and was pulling 1200 FPS I mean no PC on the market would have frame rates like that.. and WoW for example has been designed to be standalone on Mac OS X so it actually runs way faster then Windows in fact there's not really any issue with loss of memory lack of processing power I mean the mac is designed to edit and change things constantly look at the fabric of iMovie for example I mean even Final Cut Pro was first out on a Mac.. it's an editing os..

PS: It's not designed for games and hasn't ever been designed for games.. but they said that about Linux , you can't play this game you can't play that game.. it's an exe what do I do!?! and what did it take like a day and a half for 95 percent of the games to be ported to that os.. lol

 

[tuanming]

LOL. Playing pc games via bootcamp using mac hardware :lol: and then say it was "slower". How about playing the same game on both platforms with similar specs, then we'll see who the real winner is.

Kind of ironic when you think of it...A mac hardware that try to run windows based applications. How about this, why do we compared the top of the line hardware for PC and Mac and see who the real champ? I already knew the outcome.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Not _need_, and not quad-core specifically.

But The same reason for having a new and powerful rig in any os?
They way you went a little wrong was implying that you cannot do the same things in linux than you can i windows (like the old games-debate for instance).

It is actually even more interesting to have new hardware in linux since it is a more modern and much more updated os than windows for instance, especially when you use one of the more "bleeding edge" distributions.

I can even run DX10 games in my linux

But anyways, the way you phrased, limiting linux to some obscure science-prject-thing, is just far from the truth, that is all.

You "can" run games in Linux, and even DX10 games, yeah. But what's keeping you from buying a Windows copy?

The weird thing is... you can spend thousands on your computer but not $100 on a new Windows license.

That's point one.

Point two: Linux can do lots of things. True. But when it comes to expensive components running Linux (like Xeon servers and stuffs), it's mostly for scientific and business stuffs... Unless you're totally broke after buying all of your other PC components and cannot afford a copy of Windows. This is just repeating point one from a different angle... but again... free softwares for the most powerful computer you can possibly afford just doesn't sound right. Unless you're putting it to entertainment purposes... then that's a different reason altogether, and please do mind that the majority of computers in the world (Mac and PC included along with other kinds) are for business and other purposes than entertainment... mainly.

Point three: does Linux run ALL DirectX 10 games PERFECTLY the way they should run on Windows? And I'm not going to mention DirectX 11. And games should be the least on my list though it's one of the reasons. The problem is that under Linux, no matter how good the distribution, it would be very troublesome if drivers don't keep up. You can modify the drivers yourself but that's getting a bit too advanced, beyond the "bleeding edge" and into the "pioneer" level. Same goes for softwares though again, you can add support for something yourself. Same thing holds for Windows but you do not have to worry about adding the support yourself. People do it for you. Linux softwares are more frequently updated, but the quality might not be able to keep up with some softwares on PCs which only have occasional large updates instead of small updates that may potentially break other stuffs. I don't wanna go in-depth about the new kernels of Ubuntu... :innocent: but trust me... they ain't been great.

Last point: how many "casual" users in the world do you think... is using a "bleeding edge" distribution of Linux? :innocent: