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Priest unrepentent after crucifying of nun
By Laura Chiriac

Tanacu, Romania - A Romanian Orthodox priest who ordered the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the devil" and now faces murder charges was unrepentant on Saturday as he celebrated a funeral mass for his alleged victim.

"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil," Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in north-eastern Romania, said before celebrating a short mass "for the soul of the deceased", in the presence of 13 nuns who showed no visible emotion.

He insisted that from the religious point of view, the crucifixion of Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified", but admitted that he faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good lawyer".
Cornici was found dead on Wednesday, gagged and chained to a cross, after fellow nuns called an ambulance, according to police.

Mihaela Straub, spokesperson for the police in the province of Vaslui, said Daniel and four other nuns had claimed Cornici was possessed and should be exorcised.

Before being crucified she had been kept shut up for several days, her hands and feet tied and without food or drink, he said.

Cornici had entered the monastery just three months before, after visiting a friend who was a nun there, police said.

As her coffin entered the church of the monastery Saturday no church bells were sounded while nuns cast distrustful glances at the strangers, including two AFP reporters, present at the ceremony.
Claps of thunder from an approaching storm were sometimes the only sounds to break the silence.

"This storm is proof that the will of God has been done," Daniel said.

"You see it?" said the priest, gesturing at the body, lying in an annexe and still showing the marks of the gag. One of the nuns, Sister Martha, added, "She can't be laid in the church because she was possesed."

Daniel has lived for the past four years in the isolated monastery located in the hills of one of the poorest regions of Romania, without running water or electricity.

"Over there, in your world, the people must know that the devil exists. Personally I can find his work in the gestures and speech of possessed people, because man is often weak and lets himself be easily manipulated by the forces of evil," said the bearded young priest.

"I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practise in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests," he said.

A 34-year-old parishioner who had come to defend Daniel and gave her name as Dora, said Sister Irina " had to be punished, she had an argument with the Father during a Sunday mass and insulted him in front of the congregation."

Sociologist Alred Bulai said that corporal punishment was still commonly used in certain Romanian monasteries.

"It's happening particularly in the isolated monasteries, where the superiors have difficulty understanding the current realities and adapting themselves to modern life," Bulai said.

Since the fall of the communist regime in December 1989, the Orthodox Church, which represents 85 percent of Romania's 22

million inhabitants, is rated in many opinion polls as the most trusted institution in the country.

Vitalie Danciu, the superior of a nearby monastery at Golia, called the crucifixion "inexcusable",k but a spokesperson for the Orthodox patriarchate in Bucharest refused to condemn it.

"I don't know what this young woman did," Bogdan Teleanu said. - Sapa-AFP

More ammo for liberls

 

[Boltzmann]

Maybe we should ban the Bible now, since it incites violent behavior

But really, even though my dislike for religion is well-known, I don't think that this particular case is a good argument against it.

If I took this opportunity to say that religion creates murderers, then I'd be incurring in the same mistake as people who say that GTA creates robbers/murderes.

The guy had a warped mind, especially living all alone in a monastery on the hills of Romania.

 

[culubalo]

Consequently the IKEA catalogue out numbers the distribution of the bible 5 to 1. Perhaps the crucifix was from Ikea.

I must say I have my doubts on this one...

 

[Cloud Strife 7]

Yeay, long live Romania:yawn: (in a sarcastic, almost bored voice). Seems here "miracles" happen everyday, althought religious related ones a little seldom. I`ve heard about that on TV, and couldn`t even imagine something like this happening. Well, here`s my comments:

"This storm is proof that the will of God has been done," Daniel said.

More like the anger of God had been awaken :evil:

."I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practise in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests," he said.

Here`s a priest that watched to many movies. And from what I can tell, he`s really paralel with reality. From what I`ve seen and heard, exorcism here (we don`t call it that way, but whatever) is non-violent (well, at least the priests are non-violent:evil: ).

she had an argument with the Father during a Sunday mass and insulted him in front of the congregation

And I thought that religion teaches you to forgive other people :innocent: .

It's happening particularly in the isolated monasteries, where the superiors have difficulty understanding the current realities and adapting themselves to modern life

Well, kinda agree about the adapting part (althought I know usually see priests with cool cars and cell-phones , so they look prety adapted to me) but if these events happend often, I`m sure we would already know about it (you don`t want to know how the romanian press itches for a good story ).
Well, I hope you weren`t bored by reading my comment. If you ever want to come to Romania (very,very,very not possible) I`d suggest you buy yourself some machineguns, and be prepared for some "miracles" to happen(j/k ) .

 

[culubalo]

Look this just gets cheezier and cheezier, if I was a starving script writer I would have a great story to write...

" had to be punished, she had an argument with the Father during a Sunday mass and insulted him in front of the congregation."

The reason I say I find it hard to believe is the lack of media covergae, why if it where a 'muslim' who had commited some sort of execution it would have recieved wide coverage. Which is what I'm worried about, it could have happened

 

[Xymet]

You know this whole thing about Priests? They are called "DIVINE". I really don't get it you know. I hear a lot of stuff, like Priests have the Power to make a person free of sin??? I mean what the heck is that all about? Why would a priest have power to forgive on behalf of god? Thats totally insane. Coz hes an ordinary human being who chose exile from worldly happiness and devote himself to god... So whats so special about that?

Another point.. This priest may have lost his head you know. I mean " POSSESSED BY DeViL" uhh!! Thats crazy, coz even if DEVIL did so, you could treat that. Isnt this possession more like getting mad? I dont get why people call maddness "possession by DEVIL"...

The thing with that nun having a row with that priest. Sounds as if the Priest did something wrong.

Duh! Storms raging coz Gods' will have been executed? This is rather fictious.. Its more like a movie than reality. I mean, you could get a weatherforecast and understand that a storm is coming. Could even be coin cidence.. Someone check that date and the weather report. And whats that priest like.... More like he should be crucified too rather than that Nun.. Anyways...

 

[culubalo]

You know this whole thing about Priests? They are called "DIVINE". I really don't get it you know. I hear a lot of stuff, like Priests have the Power to make a person free of sin??? I mean what the heck is that all about?

There is a branch of christianity which opposes this belief...

The priest appears to have used the devil possesion as an excuse because she had openly villified him in church...

 

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It is amasing how people will accept a book written by humans a few thousand years ago as fact over results of experimentation recently, how can you be sure that your belifs are true? if by true you mean fits your preception of reality then by all means you are right

 

[Cloud Strife 7]

They are called "DIVINE". I really don't get it you know. I hear a lot of stuff, like Priests have the Power to make a person free of sin??? I mean what the heck is that all about? Why would a priest have power to forgive on behalf of god?

Well, in the Bible it says that God cures/forgives people throught priest, but nowadays priests say "What the heck? I don`t need God to cure her!! I can cure her on my own!!! Actually, I`m the only one that is perfect and that can cure her!!!". I don`t have something with religion, I just have something with people taking religion into their own hands and interpreting it on how it fits their needs.

 

[ShadowDancer]

It is amasing how people will accept a book written by humans a few thousand years ago as fact over results of experimentation recently, how can you be sure that your belifs are true? if by true you mean fits your preception of reality then by all means you are right

It's called having faith. I rather believe this and go to heaven (although just not believing it automatically gets me there) then not believing it and go to hell. What do I have to lose by having faith?

But that's besides the point since this thread has nothing to do about whether or not to believe in religion. You asked, I answered.

 

[culubalo]

PLEASE PEOPLE LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO AN ENDLESS AND POINTLESS DEBATE.

However I must add that the reason behind religion is simply faith, plus the fact that so many will not and cannot believe that the solution to many of life's unanswered questions is another little tid bit created by man - science.

Lets not go into an online religious war as the person above me has suggested.

 

[Xymet]

It's called having faith. I rather believe this and go to heaven (although just not believing it automatically gets me there) then not believing it and go to hell. What do I have to lose by having faith?

But that's besides the point since this thread has nothing to do about whether or not to believe in religion. You asked, I answered.

Thats why I too have faith in GOD> however...

Lets not go into an online religious war as the person above me has suggested. [/QUOTE}

hehe... too right you are.... :lol: hehe

maybe someone ought to start a forum based on Religion :lol: but thats not really that funny either... We should learn more about that riddle too.....oO

 

[Hannibal]

Religion is not the problem. The problem are the people. Religion did not kill the woman a person did. Just as when the priest abused the children here in the USA it was not religion that did it but persons.

 

[Xymet]

all but true... nevertheless, why the heck would anybody do such a thing? maybe this priest was way off his rocker. i mean maybe he was insulted cos he did something wrong to this nun? i mean he was on the prime of his days and that nun seemed kinda young too. maybe he forced/ did something to make her all roaring like fire?? and he tried to hide the fact before it surfaced ? i mean demon stories are on the air on cartoons and movies but in reality ???

 

[Boltzmann]

It is amasing how people will accept a book written by humans a few thousand years ago as fact over results of experimentation recently, how can you be sure that your belifs are true? if by true you mean fits your preception of reality then by all means you are right

This is simple irrationality. When people deny evolution, regardless of all the positive evidence, they’re being irrational. When people claim that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, they’re being irrational, since this position is untenable.

Disregarding experimental evidence in favor of pre-existing beliefs is irrational, no matter if the pre-existing is religious or not.

BTW, I absolutely abhor the line of thinking that goes “oh, what I’ve to lose if I’ve faith?”. I can only believe in something if I’ve evidence for my belief, there’s no excuse that would make me (or any rationalist) change my mind. Saying that I would face Death Sentence would still not be enough reason for me to believe in the Bible (even though I might pretend to believe in order to go on living ). Promises of eternal damnation for disbelievers are not enough, either.

And what amazes the most is how belief in the supernatural is still so strong in modern society. A new Gallup poll found that in America 25% of the Americans (plus or minus 3%) don't believe in anything paranormal. That means, of course, that about three-fourths of the Americans believe in things like ESP, ghosts, astrology, channeling, and communicating with spirits. Belief in demonic possession hasn't changed much in the past ten years. It's hard to believe that in the 21st century in the most technologically advanced country in the world this belief is still strong. Four out of every ten adults in the US believe in possession by the devil. According to Gallup, "Christians are a little more likely to hold some paranormal beliefs than non-Christians (75% vs. 66%, respectively), but both groups show a sizeable majority with such beliefs." More than half of the Americans believe in psychic healing. About a fourth of the Americans believe "that the position of the stars and planets can affect people's lives" and "that extra-terrestrial beings have visited earth at some time in the past." One-fifth of the Americans still believe in witches.

No wonder intelligent design is considered a viable option by many people.

 

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And what amazes the most is how belief in the supernatural is still so strong in modern society. A new Gallup poll found that in America 25% of the Americans (plus or minus 3%) don't believe in anything paranormal. That means, of course, that about three-fourths of the Americans believe in things like ESP, ghosts, astrology, channeling, and communicating with spirits. Belief in demonic possession hasn't changed much in the past ten years. It's hard to believe that in the 21st century in the most technologically advanced country in the world this belief is still strong. Four out of every ten adults in the US believe in possession by the devil. According to Gallup, "Christians are a little more likely to hold some paranormal beliefs than non-Christians (75% vs. 66%, respectively), but both groups show a sizeable majority with such beliefs." More than half of the Americans believe in psychic healing. About a fourth of the Americans believe "that the position of the stars and planets can affect people's lives" and "that extra-terrestrial beings have visited earth at some time in the past." One-fifth of the Americans still believe in witches.

In other words: If I offered a "Old Chinese Acupressure" by poking most Americans in random spots rather than the right spots they will still pay me (the placebo effect is enough)

 

[Boltzmann]

In other words: If I offered a "Old Chinese Acupressure" by poking most Americans in random spots rather than the right spots they will still pay me (the placebo effect is enough)

Exactly. You should set up a clinic once you get there :lol:

(And you don't even need a license, since you wouldn't be a doctor.)

 

[Cloud Strife 7]

News flash guys: It seems the priest is gonna be arrested and kicked out of church (no more exorcism for him). Also, that church is gonna be closed, and all the nuns that worked there will be kicked out of church life as well. Seems to me like a mistake as probably not all the nuns particapated in the "exorcism" (but I don`t know anything about that)...oh well...
Strangely enough, although the priest has been forbiden to hold any religious ceremonies, he ignored that order and helt one, and what is more strange is that all the people of that village were there crying for him.oO People sure are strange...
Sorry I can`t post any URL, this was on TV.
Btw, you should make a clinic here, you`d be amased how easily people believe that you can make miracles.

 

[culubalo]

Well since this priest was in a villiage it appears that everyone there has been cut off from ther est of the world and fallen into the brink of insanity. As a starving creative writer this makes a great premise for a good movie...

The reason why accupuncture and other non orthodox treatments is becoming so popular is because (well here in australia atleast) the health insurance companies are tight buggers, and for the basic package you can't see a proper doctor, instead it covers accupuncture and stuff like that.

 

[Kazuya]

It's called having faith. I rather believe this and go to heaven (although just not believing it automatically gets me there) then not believing it and go to hell. What do I have to lose by having faith?

But that's besides the point since this thread has nothing to do about whether or not to believe in religion. You asked, I answered.

What's the point in believing something and behaving accordingly if you do it just because you don't want to go to hell. Fear of punishment. If there is an all-loving god do you really believe he will punish you for not believing in him while you tried to make this world a better place?

There are other religions that won't punish you eternally for not believing (budhism comes to mind).

If by not believing in Jesus you are casted to hell then what about the 3/4 of the world who have a different religion? What about all the GOOD people in all the story of the humankind? Will they be in hell for not believing even if they were good?
What about the people who lived before the bible? In hell too?

Think about it. Just behave in this world and forget about non-sense.