[Xymet]

NO offence but why does America always pick on Muslim countrys and the Nuclear possessing countrys? I mean is this a father-son job? First Father Bush lines up and had a war with Iraq. Now Son Bush comes and busts Iraq just because of Saddam Hussain. saying all this nonesense about Nukes and mass destruction weapons? where are all these weapons and nukes? did they find any? none right?

Now Son Bush is going to have a row with Iran? Is that because that it proves as a threat? What Threat? Will they have all the Islam Countries down to the brink of destruction?????? I wonder where all this will lead to......

 

[Cloud Strife 7]

I wonder where all this will lead to......

Probably to a flame war...oh well...
Has anyone thought that Iraq has lots of oil (petroleum)?That could be a reason because if the americans are over their head, they (the americans) could steal the oil without the iraqiens saying anything (to who could they complain? the americans?). Also, this war with Iraq has definately changed the price of oil on the market...I`ll let you figure it out...
Personally, I think the americans have no guilt... after all, it wasn`t them who decided, it was Bush, so more likely it is Bush who should be blaimed... And I don`t know why the americans responded so fast to a threat (possibly a bad joke) made by Saddam Hussain (if it was ever made by him and not some other people...). I`ll let you get the picture...
Sorry if this post offended anyone, I didn`t intended to.

 

[Boltzmann]

Yep, most likely this thread will develop into a flame war.

We've discussed this over and over a few times, and the threads always end up closed because people become too emotional.

Anyway, I think that Bush's actions are not justified, and his administration is simply not being held accountable for their acts.

The long-term prospects? Nano-technological war, IMHO.

 

[culubalo]

Probably to a flame war...oh well...

So true, (I won't be a part of it mind you).

To discuss this in full one must fully digest and understand the state of the world and write about it, an entire encyclopedia series of it would probably be enough. Till then it is impossible to fully explain these things because no one in the world has and probably ever will sit down and do the extensive research necessary...
To that end I personally believe this thread should be locked before it unfolds into a pointless endless unsbustantiated debate which would lead to flames and what not (but hey thats an admin/moderators choice right?).

The long-term prospects? Nano-technological war, IMHO.

Argh! Little robotic spiders trying to go up to my brain through my ears!

 

[Cloud Strife 7]

I agree with that. I say "let History (and God) decide if someone`s actions were good or not".

 

[_E_]

NO offence but why does America always pick on Muslim countrys and the Nuclear possessing countrys? I mean is this a father-son job? First Father Bush lines up and had a war with Iraq. Now Son Bush comes and busts Iraq just because of Saddam Hussain. saying all this nonesense about Nukes and mass destruction weapons? where are all these weapons and nukes? did they find any? none right?

Now Son Bush is going to have a row with Iran? Is that because that it proves as a threat? What Threat? Will they have all the Islam Countries down to the brink of destruction?????? I wonder where all this will lead to......

Advantages of taking over Iraq :
1. Removes one of the major threats on Israel's existance and a ex-rival in it's nuclear program
2. The costs of obtaining oil from Iraq is much cheaper than it's oil exporting countries counterpart.
3. Iraq is a very strategic location. It lies between Syria and Iran, another two major threats on Israel.
4. Since the gulf countries are getting fed up from the U.S marines sitting in their bases, practically doing nothing and getting payed for it ( till the extent that Saudia Arabia - one of the world's largest oil exporter - is under debt ), it's basically time to move on to a new country.

Now I dunno why does the United States keep supporting Israel in one way or the other ( which was the policy since Israel was first established), but one thing is for sure. This policy is turning against it - Terrorists are using this reason to justificate their acts.

Yours,
-Elly

 

[Xymet]

Now I dunno why does the United States keep supporting Israel in one way or the other ( which was the policy since Israel was first established), but one thing is for sure. This policy is turning against it - Terrorists are using this reason to justificate their acts.

Yours,
-Elly

Hmm.. good point.. ever since Iseral was located at Palastine, all this havoc started out, and maybe US is really under these crooked minded Isrealies? (not all - mind you)

 

[The General]

I luv the thread title lol.

Anyway, i think you need to use a different thread title. Because you mention americans,
but then you only mention bush and his father, well thats only 2 americans. And the last time i check, not all americans are seeking war against "Some of the middle east lands"

The question you ask, really does not make any sense, so i cant give you a answer. WTF is this american and islam relationship lmoa, Islam is not even people, its muslims. UGH. I understand what you saying in a way, but again, the question was not risen up right.

 

[The General]

And besides the last time i checked, america is " NOT " the greatest land , nor is it righteous. Bush and other people, are doing what they want to do tho, war is for the weak, war can be dodge if the right people are talking.

 

[Boltzmann]

Now I dunno why does the United States keep supporting Israel in one way or the other ( which was the policy since Israel was first established), but one thing is for sure. This policy is turning against it - Terrorists are using this reason to justificate their acts.

My father says that the Jews took over the US Government, as they have done with almost every other country on Earth. And no, I’m not joking – he really thinks that this is true.

When my father is not blaming the Jews for something, he’s blaming the communists (he even asked me once if I was a communist; just because I’m an atheist :???: ).

Anyway, terrorists are really justifying their actions based on the interventionist policy of the US (and especially the fact that it backs up Israel). I don’t know whether they would stop if the US ever withdraws their support of Israel, though.

 

[Samor]

so, if I get it right, people blame each other for their own actions.
you see, I do X, but that's because you did Y.
But you say, you did Y because I did Z.
But I did Z because of your.... etc. etc.

Side note: the danger of "I" and "You" in my example is that they're also generalising entire populations, or identifying one group as being another. Even within a specific group (or culture or whatever), there can be sub-groups with tremendous differences.

You see, like kapitalists = christians or islam = terrorism or that every liberal thought is automatically anti-religious or every religious thought anti-liberal or americans = patriotic nutcases or ...hey, I think I can go on for a while.
But we like to be a narrow-minded bunch. eh? Yes, we love generalizations.
X = crap, Y = bad. Z sucks. Mind you, its rarely positive either.

Ok, done rambling

 

[Player-X]

I just have one thing to point out: Islamic people are called Muslims not Islams

 

[Seta-San]

i wish we were stealing oil. The cost of gas is killing us. It's tripple what it used to be before Sharon was a moron and went to the top of the Temple Mount. The state of middle east has only declined since then.

Probably to a flame war...oh well...
Has anyone thought that Iraq has lots of oil (petroleum)?That could be a reason because if the americans are over their head, they (the americans) could steal the oil without the iraqiens saying anything (to who could they complain? the americans?). Also, this war with Iraq has definately changed the price of oil on the market...I`ll let you figure it out...
Personally, I think the americans have no guilt... after all, it wasn`t them who decided, it was Bush, so more likely it is Bush who should be blaimed... And I don`t know why the americans responded so fast to a threat (possibly a bad joke) made by Saddam Hussain (if it was ever made by him and not some other people...). I`ll let you get the picture...
Sorry if this post offended anyone, I didn`t intended to.

 

[Cloud Strife 7]

Well, you`re not the only one feeling the pain in you pockets because of that. Even without these things Romania`s economy is pretty much squashed to the ground. Now everything has to be more expensive (from food to gas) because of this. I`m just thinking one thing: they steal oil, then they sell it (at a higher price of course);they buy (or "borrow") cheap because of this, then they sell it for astronomicall prices.
And because Bush steals oil doesn`t mean that all americans have to benefit of this. He could preety well keed it to himself (well, actually the goverment keeps it to itself), and not share the "prize" at all.
Oh well, his power will soon end:evil: .

 

[ChankastRules]

My father says that the Jews took over the US Government

Acctually there are many Jews in high places, they're both intelligent and willing to work a lot for what they want, if there was a test of the IQ average I think the jews would probably rank highest of close to all people. Hitler probably hated them because he felt they were superior in many ways.

 

[Boltzmann]

Acctually there are many Jews in high places, they're both intelligent and willing to work a lot for what they want, if there was a test of the IQ average I think the jews would probably rank highest of close to all people. Hitler probably hated them because he felt they were superior in many ways.

I don’t deny that there’re many Jews in positions of power, but my father actually believes in a Jewish world conspiracy hell-bent on taking over the world. And I repeat: I’m not kidding.

 

[Hannibal]

Poor Jewish people. They were slaves in Egypt. The land in which they lived is almost all desert-like. One of the few countries in Middle East with no oil. They were capture and send to Babylon. Then the Romans destroy their state. Spread around the world. The christians persecuate them. Hitler kills half of them. The United States makes a home for them in the Middle East. The whole Arab world attacks them. Every then and now a new war with Arabs. Suicide Bombers here and there. I also feel sorry for Palestinians must suck not having a country. Also those kurds in turkey. they are many displace people in the world. Must be hard being them.

 

[_E_]

Poor Jewish people. They were slaves in Egypt. The land in which they lived is almost all desert-like. One of the few countries in Middle East with no oil. They were capture and send to Babylon. Then the Romans destroy their state. Spread around the world. The christians persecuate them. Hitler kills half of them. The United States makes a home for them in the Middle East. The whole Arab world attacks them. Every then and now a new war with Arabs. Suicide Bombers here and there. I also feel sorry for Palestinians must suck not having a country. Also those kurds in turkey. they are all of displace people in the world. Must be hard being them.

The United States didn't make a homeland for them, the UK did. And they started the war afaik ( when they first came in and killed/removed the original settlers. The arabs did indeed start the later wars though, except for the 6 day war - which was a suprise Israeli attack ).

Yours,
-Elly

 

[Hannibal]

If only we could all get along without killing each other. Is it so hard not to do that?

 

[Rhombus]

Acctually there are many Jews in high places, they're both intelligent and willing to work a lot for what they want, if there was a test of the IQ average I think the jews would probably rank highest of close to all people. Hitler probably hated them because he felt they were superior in many ways.

I'm Jewish (by "ethnicity" only... I don't believe in Judaism) and I hate these kinds of stereotypes. "Positive" or "negative", stereotypes are offensive and narrow-minded. Jews aren't naturally more intelligent or whatever than any other group... however due to a history of anti-semitism and insular thinking, the Jews realized long ago that the key to success in a largely biased and non-Jewish world (for some reason people consider Judaism one of the world's major religions despite the fact that less than 2% of the world population is jewish) was hard work and self-sufficience. And that long-term success and prosperity is best achieved through a focus on learning and higher education - hence these are probably the most valued ideals of the Jewish "race".