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AN: as taken from http://www.felbers.net/mt/ (and emailed to me by my mother--what a cool chick!) Has this already been a topic? I don't think it has...Sorry if you've all read this before. :D

A Concession Speech

[Former candidate [Adam] Felber, flanked by his family and supporters, steps
up to the podium in the bright autumn sunlight. Cheers and applause are
heard.]

My fellow Americans, the people of this nation have spoken, and spoken
with a clear voice. So I am here to offer my concession. [Boos, groans,
rending of garments]

I concede that I overestimated the intelligence of the American people.
Though the people disagree with the President on almost every issue,
you saw fit to vote for him. I never saw that coming. That's really
special. And I mean "special" in the sense that we use it to describe
those kids who ride the short school bus and find ways to injure
themselves while eating pudding with rubber spoons. That kind of
special.

I concede that I misjudged the power of hate. That's pretty powerful
stuff, and I didn't see it. So let me take a moment to congratulate the
President's strategists: Putting the gay marriage amendments on the
ballot in various swing states like Ohio... well, that was just genius.
Genius. It got people, a certain kind of people, to the polls. The
unprecedented number of folks who showed up and cited "moral values" as
their biggest issue, those people changed history. The folks who
consider same sex marriage a more important issue than war, or
terrorism, or the economy... Who'd have thought the election would
belong to them? Well, Karl Rove did. Gotta give it up to him for that.
[Boos.] Now, now. Credit where it's due.

I concede that I put too much faith in America's youth. With 8 out of
10 of you opposing the President, with your friends and classmates
dying daily in a war you disapprove of, with your future being
mortgaged to pay for rich old peoples' tax breaks, you somehow managed
to sit on your asses and watch the Cartoon Network while aging
homophobic hillbillies carried the day. You voted with the exact same
anemic percentage that you did in 2000. You suck. Seriously, y'do.
[Cheers, applause] Thank you. Thank you very much.

There are some who would say that I sound bitter, that now is the time
for healing, to bring the nation together. Let me tell you a little
story. Last night, I watched the returns come in with some friends here
in Los Angeles. As the night progressed, people began to talk
half-seriously about secession, a red state / blue state split. The
reasoning was this: We in blue states produce the vast majority of the
wealth in this country and pay the most taxes, and you in the red
states receive the majority of the money from those taxes while
complaining about 'em. We in the blue states are the only ones who've
been attacked by foreign terrorists, yet you in the red states are gung
ho to fight a war in our name. We in the blue states produce the
entertainment that you consume so greedily each day, while you in the
red states show open disdain for us and our values. Blue state
civilians are the actual victims and targets of the war on terror,
while red state civilians are the ones standing behind us and yelling
"Oh, yeah!? Bring it on!"

More than 40% of you Bush voters still believe that Saddam Hussein had
something to do with 9/11. I'm impressed by that, truly I am. Your sons
and daughters who might die in this war know it's not true, the people
in the urban centers where al Qaeda wants to attack know it's not true,
but those of you who are at practically no risk believe this easy lie
because you can. As part of my concession speech, let me say that I
really envy that luxury. I concede that.

Healing? We, the people at risk from terrorists, the people who
subsidize you, the people who speak in glowing and respectful terms
about the heartland of America while that heartland insults and
excoriates us... we wanted some healing. We spoke loud and clear. And
you refused to give it to us, largely because of your high moral
values. You knew better: America doesn't need its allies, doesn't need
to share the burden, doesn't need to unite the world, doesn't need to
provide for its future. Hell no. Not when it's got a human shield of
pointy-headed, atheistic, unconfrontational breadwinners who are
willing to pay the bills and play nice in the vain hope of winning a
vote that we can never have. Because we're "morally inferior," I
suppose, we are supposed to respect your values while you insult ours.
And the big joke here is that for 20 years, we've done just that.

It's not a "ha-ha" funny joke, I realize, but it's a joke all the same.

Being an independent candidate gives me one luxury - as well as
conceding the election today, I am also announcing my candidacy for
President in 2008. [Wild applause, screams, chants of "Fel-ber!
Fel-ber!] Thank you.

And I make this pledge to you today: THIS time, next time, there will
be no pandering. This time I will run with all the open and joking
contempt for my opponents that our President demonstrated towards the
cradle of liberty, the Ivy League intellectuals, the "media elite," and
the "white-wine sippers." This time I will not pretend that the simple
folk of America know just as much as the people who devote their lives
to serving and studying the nation and the world. They don't.

So that's why I'm asking for your vote in 2008, America. I'm talking to
you, you ignorant, slack-jawed yokels, you bible-thumping, inbred
drones, you *******, racist, chest-thumping, perennially duped
grade-school grads. Vote for me, because I know better, and I truly
believe that I can help your smug, sorry asses. Vote Felber in '08!
Thank you, and may God bless each and every one of you.

[Tumultuous cheers, applause, and foot-stomping. PULL BACK to reveal
the rest of the stage, the row of cameras, hundreds of unoccupied
chairs, and the empty field beyond.]
Well said, Mr. Felber. Well said. :cry:
 

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__Xzyx987X said:
He's got my vote. :thumb:
He need to, in the words of Bill Clinton, Stop whining....
The attitudes exemplified in that statement, go to the very heart of whats wrong in the US today...You don't see so Called Red state voters criticizing so called Blue state voters. My God the statement reminds me of CBS and 48 hours and their complete and utter BS reports on so called "Hillbilly's"
The So called Blue state voters are , as I am reading it, very, very, very prejudiced against so called red state voters. For example, so called liberals, because a majority of the people do not agree with them, call them unedjucated, dumb, ignorant, etc.....They never stop to think that their OWN view could be completely WRONG... No instead they have the Holier-than-thou attitude that because THEY believe it, no one has a right to disagree, and if they do they are (insert derrogatory adjective here)
To me, IMHO, that makes the so called Blue state voters the Ignorant ones...they fail to accept or acknowledge that their view is in the minority. Take gay marriage for example. Most are not against Gay people or their rights, They are against someone comming in and trying to redefine the defintion of marriage. There is a HUGE difference. People who try to claim it is restricting their rights...well isn't it infringing on Hetero couples rights by trying to change something they hold dear???
Take abortion...the VAST majority of the US is religous...and I don't think you will find anyone who is against prosecuting someone for Murder be it planned, accidental, or not... Since the vast majority deems a fetus as a LIVE person, and the VAST majority deem murder prosecutable...how can ANYONE argue that abortion should be legal?? You can be charged with 2 counts of murder for killing someone that is pregnant...so how is abortion ANY different?

I just don't get the crazy views of some Americans these days....It's like the extremists (Pro abortion, pro killing babies for cells that have never proven to be of any value, pro changing the values of what america was founded on) want to turn the US into France or another Euro country that lost any moral fortitude long ago.
 

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exactly dpense. The cynacism in the Democratic party is staggering. I've become convinced that all they do is complain about the way things are. There are better reasons to say that Bush won and Kerry lost, most of them the democratic parties fault.
1)They thought to elect anyone but Bush. (even though his stances weren't very different from bushes)

2)Kerry had no personality, he spoke like a fricking robot and came out seeming like an idiolog

3)Kerry was catering to Europe.. If anyone has noticed USA interests are drifting to Asia, we are more and more disconnected from europe because our interests are not the same.

4)Who needs Europe on ourside anyway. They all ***** about how they never asked us to be world police but in secret they like it this way. The world is managed by the USA without them having to spend one precious Euro trying to maintain peace and oust dictators.

5)People in this country don't give a single damn to what the elitists think. Professors, acters, scientists. For all their money it doesn't buy one ounce for respect from people.

it's simply too bad that most democrats don't have the grace of John Kerry. His concession speech was wonderful. Not because i was listening to victory (imho) but because he spoke with an american passion that he lacked while campaigning. If he managed to speak like that before he might have carried my vote, and the votes of others. This Mr. Felber seems like what i see wrong in the democratic party. He isn't a positive looker on the future. Bush won't screw up as bad as most of you all think. The world still continues much the way it did before. And to assume that liberals are all intellects is wrong. The big cities that you consider full of intellects are full of ignorant fellons, corporate criminals, and highschool dropouts. It's the big cities that take most of the countries money to fight the poverty, crime and hate. Small communities are general more moral, harder working, understand sacrifice from their somewhat more strict upbringing makes them more conservative by nature. So i wish that you people don't take the elections so damned personal. Do what the rest of the country does. Work harder and smarter than then you did before and learn from your mistakes. Don't ***** about them.
 

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The rebublicans are the only ones doing any flaming here :p. She merely posted an article with a viewpoint that differed from theirs, and look at what happened (don't mind me, just fanning the flames. :evil: )
 

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The rebublicans are the only ones doing any flaming here :p. She merely posted an article with a viewpoint that differed from theirs, and look at what happened (don't mind me, just fanning the flames. :evil: )
Oh no, I'm not criticizing her. I'm openly applauding her actions... I'm just here to fan the flames.

 

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*whew*
I can't believe it. The republican party is SO DAMN ORGANIZED, even down to every little internet forum member. :rolleyes:
You continue to employ your strategy: avoid actually adressing the issues presented to you, attack us, call us "pessimistic," "murderers," "prejudiced."

In case you aren't using these blatant tactics, and you actually somehow managed to miss the points of this speech(oO), why don't you take another shot at it: I'll re-iterate them:

1.
I concede that I misjudged the power of hate. . .The
unprecedented number of folks who showed up and cited "moral values" as
their biggest issue, those people changed history. The folks who
consider same sex marriage a more important issue than war, or
terrorism, or the economy... Who'd have thought the election would
belong to them? Well, Karl Rove did. Gotta give it up to him for that.
[Boos.] Now, now. Credit where it's due.

2.
We in blue states produce the vast majority of the
wealth in this country and pay the most taxes, and you in the red
states receive the majority of the money from those taxes while
complaining about 'em. We in the blue states are the only ones who've
been attacked by foreign terrorists, yet you in the red states are gung
ho to fight a war in our name. We in the blue states produce the
entertainment that you consume so greedily each day, while you in the
red states show open disdain for us and our values. Blue state
civilians are the actual victims and targets of the war on terror,
while red state civilians are the ones standing behind us and yelling
"Oh, yeah!? Bring it on!"
3.
More than 40% of you Bush voters still believe that Saddam Hussein had
something to do with 9/11. I'm impressed by that, truly I am. Your sons
and daughters who might die in this war know it's not true, the people
in the urban centers where al Qaeda wants to attack know it's not true,
but those of you who are at practically no risk believe this easy lie
because you can. As part of my concession speech, let me say that I
really envy that luxury. I concede that.
4.
We, the people at risk from terrorists, the people who
subsidize you, the people who speak in glowing and respectful terms
about the heartland of America while that heartland insults and
excoriates us... we wanted some healing. We spoke loud and clear. And
you refused to give it to us, largely because of your high moral
values. You knew better: America doesn't need its allies, doesn't need
to share the burden, doesn't need to unite the world, doesn't need to
provide for its future. Hell no. Not when it's got a human shield of
pointy-headed, atheistic, unconfrontational breadwinners who are
willing to pay the bills and play nice in the vain hope of winning a
vote that we can never have.
Don't be afraid, go on, have another go at it.
Kisses,
A
 

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I concede that I misjudged the power of hate. . .The
unprecedented number of folks who showed up and cited "moral values" as
their biggest issue, those people changed history. The folks who
consider same sex marriage a more important issue than war, or
terrorism, or the economy... Who'd have thought the election would
belong to them? Well, Karl Rove did. Gotta give it up to him for that.
[Boos.] Now, now. Credit where it's due.
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I don't hate gays my best friend though highschool was gay. I'm against gaymarriage though. And i consider national moriality just as important as the war and economy.


We in blue states produce the vast majority of the
wealth in this country and pay the most taxes, and you in the red
states receive the majority of the money from those taxes while
complaining about 'em. We in the blue states are the only ones who've
been attacked by foreign terrorists, yet you in the red states are gung
ho to fight a war in our name. We in the blue states produce the
entertainment that you consume so greedily each day, while you in the
red states show open disdain for us and our values. Blue state
civilians are the actual victims and targets of the war on terror,
while red state civilians are the ones standing behind us and yelling
"Oh, yeah!? Bring it on!"
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correction. the heartland produces a majority of the wealth and it all gets transfered to blue states. You're tax dollars go to pay for you own inner city social problems, not ours. Red states consider an attack on any part of our nation an attack on the whole nation and we are giving our share to the war.


More than 40% of you Bush voters still believe that Saddam Hussein had
something to do with 9/11. I'm impressed by that, truly I am. Your sons
and daughters who might die in this war know it's not true, the people
in the urban centers where al Qaeda wants to attack know it's not true,
but those of you who are at practically no risk believe this easy lie
because you can. As part of my concession speech, let me say that I
really envy that luxury. I concede that.
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i personally don't believe that. But i parellel this to WWII. Sadam is like hitler and al quada are like the japanese. The sadam loyalists make a lot of noise until you start to break ground on to their land. then they fold up and die. The al queda on the other hand are much more fanatical. Like the japanese they go on kamikaze missions for their beliefs. They fight to the last man and they were the first to attack like the japanese did in pearl harbor. If we went by your standard we should have only focused on japan in WWII and not do anything about Germany because they did nothing to us.


We, the people at risk from terrorists, the people who
subsidize you, the people who speak in glowing and respectful terms
about the heartland of America while that heartland insults and
excoriates us... we wanted some healing. We spoke loud and clear. And
you refused to give it to us, largely because of your high moral
values. You knew better: America doesn't need its allies, doesn't need
to share the burden, doesn't need to unite the world, doesn't need to
provide for its future. Hell no. Not when it's got a human shield of
pointy-headed, atheistic, unconfrontational breadwinners who are
willing to pay the bills and play nice in the vain hope of winning a
vote that we can never have.
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you're wrong if you think that only you are at risk of terrorists the whole world is at risk. I could be dead in the middle of nebraska because a terrorists thought it necessary to blow up the community college i go to. and you should have known by now that our european allies had no intention of ever helping us in iraq no matter who was president. Bush did his best to get support before going to war.
 

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I find it so incredibly awesome that only in America can a serial murderer be seen as a better choice as a parent and spouse than a gay person. Better dead than gay, I suppose. :p I've always found it ironic that for a party that prides itself on being the party of "morality," it seems that Republicans cheer for immoral values as much as, if not more than, the Democrats. And yes, I am simplifying the gap between conservatives and liberals by identifying each with the respective parties. Generalizations and oversimplifications seem to be a requirement to live in America now, so I might as well play along.

And if you don't have an issue with the Republican "morality," maybe you should take off your blind loyalty for a moment and put on your thinking cap. This country is so screwed up right now with its values that I fear Bush only reflects how messed up we are instead of being an exception. Following the way of the Bible indeed - your party just chooses to wear your religion on your sleeve and fail to recognize just how totally off you are. The evangelical Truth is based on a select few passages while ignoring the vast majority of the Truth, which is not the way that all should aspire to be.

Such things as the contradiction between abortion and capital punishment...if you cannot see all the contradictions such as these in your "morality," I fear for what sort of country this will be in a few years. Perhaps a theocracy, a revival of sorts of the Holy Roman Empire, but one which follows this ideal more than the historically accurate version.

As for the speech itself, it's mostly nonsense, but I knew the second I saw all the Ditto-Heads jumping onto this thread that one of those rare voices calling for individual reflection rather than parroting needed to pop in and say a thing or two. Use your head, not your party platform. Don't you see that you are exactly what you consider your rival party? You ARE your own worst enemy!
 

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Yes, you're right. This us vs. them, with us or against us, all or nothing crap has to stop. Still, it's difficult to find an agreeable middle ground when the veiwpoints of both parties are so different. I think that there are a few things that we all need to keep in mind though.

First of all, to the democrats: like it or not, the majority of people in this country want the republican agenda pushed. Now we may not have to like it, but we at least have to respect the will of the people, because democracy is what this country is all about.

Second of all, to the republicans: just because there happen to be roughly %2 more of you than there are of us in the country, does not give you the right to trample all over our veiwpoints. Over the past four years, I have seen the republicans make few to no consessions to the democrats, and this isn't going to get us anywhere. You've got to learn to compromise, or this partisan bickering will never end.
 

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Good thread, Aerith. Needless to say that I agree with your points. It's too bad that republicans have so much distaste for "intellectuals" (as Seta-San pointed out in his post).
 

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i remeber that before the 9/11 attacks, bush populary was below the 50% then raised again to 75%, the atacks was the reason of bush popularity (Duh!) not by his merits
PD:i love a good flame war in the morning .
 

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dpence said:
(...)pro killing babies for cells that have never proven to be of any value(...)
dpence, your scientific ignorance never fails to stagger me. Is it a sympton of the strong anti-intellectual sentiment going on in America?

I can accept that many people do not have the brainpower to understand the FRW equation or quantitative genetics, but this trend is going too far. You don't have to be a a genius to understand stem cells and their possible applications.

A quick search through PubMed will show you hundreds of papers concerning stem cells, and a quick browsing through the latest issues of Nature magazine will show you amazing progress being made in the research of stem cell therapy.

It's people like you who hamper progress in the sciences, and threatens to plunge mankind into a new dark age of fear and ignorance.

Of course, to say something "intellectual" is unfashionable. Saying big words about "moral values" is much more "cool", and wins more votes :rolleyes:
 

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I fail to see why do you take the time to reply to them, Boltzmann. When i read posts like "europe says they don't want us to be the police, but they secretly like it" - that's facts, of course :rolleyes: Or that, "they aren't spending an Euro, and get peace and dictators aout of the way", more or less - Could you Seta-San please kindly remind me who armed Saddam, who payed him to fight Iran on a war? Wasn't it the USA (read ir A-ME-RI-CA, i know you there can't remember that name is used for a whole continent and not a country)? Who started the last two wars in the world (Afghanistan and Iraq)? Did Europe start them? Maybe my liberal standpoint obnubilites me so i can't see the truth. Sorry, but i really can see why argue about this. Nothing will change, no one will convince me, and i won't convince no one. And it's late now. People voted and now Bush is there again for four years. Will it be worse? No, i don't think so. Could it be much better? By far.
 

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Who needs Europe on ourside anyway. They all ***** about how they never asked us to be world police but in secret they like it this way. The world is managed by the USA without them having to spend one precious Euro trying to maintain peace and oust dictators.
Seta-San said:
i parellel this to WWII. Sadam is like hitler and al quada are like the japanese.
Seta-San said:
People in this country don't give a single damn to what the elitists think. Professors, acters, scientists.
Sometimes, I think the internet is only good for reminding me what kind of people actually exist out there. Your ignorance and arrogance are astounding.
 
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