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**hushypushy** · January 21st, 2004, 15:38

well, alright. it's just that everyone is making it seem like the Mini DVD is not so small.

clements, yes of course 50 ocarina of times can fit on it, because it was on the original, quite small, N64 cartridge. of course, maybe this wouldnt be the case if nintendo had opted for CDs back then. maybe FF would still be on nintendo

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**Chrono Archangel** · January 21st, 2004, 19:31

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Originally Posted by hushypushy

well, alright. it's just that everyone is making it seem like the Mini DVD is not so small.

clements, yes of course 50 ocarina of times can fit on it, because it was on the original, quite small, N64 cartridge. of course, maybe this wouldnt be the case if nintendo had opted for CDs back then. maybe FF would still be on nintendo

they are small compared to DVDs -_-....there just not THAT small. (most game could fit, even games that are release for all the other consoles except the gc)

I doubt that the reason FF isnt with Nintendo anymore is because of the cartidges used with the N64. I think Sony and Squaresoft made an agreement. Thats why now a completly different FF is beeing made on the GC

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Rosemon · January 21st, 2004, 20:26

Square only made the agreement with Sony because of Nintendo's stubborn attitute regarding CDs. Secret of Mana was originally going to be a 'SNES CD' title, but had to become a regular SNES title after the idea was abandoned. When Square saw that the Nintendo 64 was still going to use cartridges, they told Nintendo exactly where to stick it and went to find another console.

After considering the Saturn, they eventually decided the PlayStation was where they should develop. Others followed, Square made deals with Sony and history was made.

**hushypushy** · January 21st, 2004, 23:22

chrono, most games can fit on a DVD. in fact, there are a bunch of PS2 games on CD. (yes that's true). however, would a game like MGS: substance be possible without dual layer DVD? maybe on 4 GC discs. you could put enter the matrix on 1 DVD....not 2 mini DVDs.

and could they have fit FF7 on a cartridge? definitely not (considering what they wanted to do)

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**GiGaHeRz** · January 22nd, 2004, 01:22

it's not easy to fit a 4cd game (pc version has 4 cds, not sure about psx one) into... 64mb max? (most n64 cartridges i've seen have 16 or 32mb roms), but you could fit it easily in a mini-dvd.

More realism means more data, and this data needs more space to ve saved, so you must find better ways of saving it.

Back to the topic: GC have "strange" discs to avoid piracy, but piracy would make them sell a lot more consoles and accessories and it seems that nintendo hasn't noticed that yet.

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**Chrono Archangel** · January 22nd, 2004, 13:35

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Originally Posted by hushypushy

chrono, most games can fit on a DVD. in fact, there are a bunch of PS2 games on CD. (yes that's true). however, would a game like MGS: substance be possible without dual layer DVD? maybe on 4 GC discs. you could put enter the matrix on 1 DVD....not 2 mini DVDs.

and could they have fit FF7 on a cartridge? definitely not (considering what they wanted to do)

man......you are arguing me like I was denying that DVDs have more space -_-

Of course it would've been better if Nintendo had used CDs for the N64 and of course it would've been better if the GC used DVDs. But what im trying to say is that : even if they used media that had less space to work with, it doesnt mean that games cant be as good, as nice and as long.

all stop arguing also cuz we seem to be getting nowhere

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madmonkeyboy · January 23rd, 2004, 00:10

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Originally Posted by GiGaHeRz

Back to the topic: GC have "strange" discs to avoid piracy, but piracy would make them sell a lot more consoles and accessories and it seems that nintendo hasn't noticed that yet.

???????????????
do you know that most consoles are sold at a loss?
they are sold in the knoledge that the games will earn the manufacturer money, therefore a system with pirated games makes NO MONEY, and as we all know, none of these companies are charities!
iirc sony had to lay off hundreds of jobs last year due to losses, blaming it mainly on PS2, which we all know is easy to pirate!
i.e. whats good for you, (v.cheep games) is not good for sony/m$/nintendo.

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**hushypushy** · January 23rd, 2004, 00:29

chrono...all im saying is that the gamecube DVDs suck. MGS:substance (my favorite PS2 game) would never have been able to be on GC. and that's not because of the crappy controller either

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madmonkeyboy · January 23rd, 2004, 00:53

and whats wrong with games on multiple discs?

all the psx ff games were more than 1 disc, but i dont see people complaining about it! and if they made the fmv sections more compact, there wouldnt be such a problem anyway!

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VDDZ · January 23rd, 2004, 02:04

I think that only XBox was loseing money on the system...

So, a GCCD is just a mini-DVD with a crazy format that can not be read by a PC drive, but can be copyed 1-to-1.

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madmonkeyboy · January 24th, 2004, 01:54

iirc nintendo was the only company making money from their consoles, and that was before the recent price cut! (i will try to find something about it to post)
btw does anyone know if GC can use double layerd mini-DVDs?

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**hushypushy** · January 24th, 2004, 03:02

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I think that only XBox was loseing money on the system...

well, when ALL systems come out they lose money. now, a few years later...i dont they are losing much money now...

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hbk0259 · January 27th, 2004, 05:11

hi i am new to gc emulation. i was wondering if gc disks are readable by dvd-roms

**n_w95482** · January 27th, 2004, 05:27

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Originally Posted by hbk0259

hi i am new to gc emulation. i was wondering if gc disks are readable by dvd-roms

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Originally Posted by Clements

GC Mini-DVDs cannot be read by a PC drive (Nintendo did this a a piracy measure)...

Does that answer your question?

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Sir Key · January 30th, 2004, 01:02

@hushy i think the original xbox controller sucked bad... the gamecube controller fits me just great... ofcourse the ps2 controller is great too but they never tried inventing something new they sticked with the old one knowing everybody's fine with it but i tried playing some first person shooters with it and i think that's one little backdraw... anyways thats just opinions... everybody got his own and thats the beauty of it... btw i think it's good the gamecube discs have the encryption and all that stuff... i got 7 games atm and i'll be getting more... imo the gamecube and it's games are worth the money... the xbox games all come out for my pc too and playstation 2 emulation is growing steadily... soon i'll be able to play those games on the pc too (yeah ofcourse i got the original system and the games

) so the ony thing left for not missing some great games is the gamecube...

**ChaosCode** · January 30th, 2004, 01:35

You guys are a little off topic? :-p Might wanna close this one down before it become a AIM convo hehehe....

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VDDZ · January 30th, 2004, 02:03

what does "atm" stand for?

@n_w****, you mean you can't play the cd, but you can make an image of it, right?

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Xinu0 · January 30th, 2004, 02:26

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Originally Posted by VDDZ

what does "atm" stand for?

@n_w****, you mean you can't play the cd, but you can make an image of it, right?

No! You can only make images of GC discs using the PSO hack.

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what does "atm" stand for?

stands for 'at the moment'

VDDZ · January 30th, 2004, 04:00

thanks RF.

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January 21st, 2004, 15:38	#21
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,979	well, alright. it's just that everyone is making it seem like the Mini DVD is not so small. clements, yes of course 50 ocarina of times can fit on it, because it was on the original, quite small, N64 cartridge. of course, maybe this wouldnt be the case if nintendo had opted for CDs back then. maybe FF would still be on nintendo __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

January 21st, 2004, 20:26	#23
Rosemon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 35	Square only made the agreement with Sony because of Nintendo's stubborn attitute regarding CDs. Secret of Mana was originally going to be a 'SNES CD' title, but had to become a regular SNES title after the idea was abandoned. When Square saw that the Nintendo 64 was still going to use cartridges, they told Nintendo exactly where to stick it and went to find another console. After considering the Saturn, they eventually decided the PlayStation was where they should develop. Others followed, Square made deals with Sony and history was made.

January 21st, 2004, 23:22	#24
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,979	chrono, most games can fit on a DVD. in fact, there are a bunch of PS2 games on CD. (yes that's true). however, would a game like MGS: substance be possible without dual layer DVD? maybe on 4 GC discs. you could put enter the matrix on 1 DVD....not 2 mini DVDs. and could they have fit FF7 on a cartridge? definitely not (considering what they wanted to do) __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

January 22nd, 2004, 01:22	#25
GiGaHeRz B( o Y o )BS! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 895	it's not easy to fit a 4cd game (pc version has 4 cds, not sure about psx one) into... 64mb max? (most n64 cartridges i've seen have 16 or 32mb roms), but you could fit it easily in a mini-dvd. More realism means more data, and this data needs more space to ve saved, so you must find better ways of saving it. Back to the topic: GC have "strange" discs to avoid piracy, but piracy would make them sell a lot more consoles and accessories and it seems that nintendo hasn't noticed that yet. __________________ "There's only one absolute truth in our world: shït happens." - Gigaherz (whoever decided "s-h-i-t" is a obscene word needs to grow up a few years) The Book and other stories: Tears of Fantasy - An Online Book... by ME! MetaLife, Inc. (intro) SubGaea (intro) Crow Blade (intro for now) Memories - Prayer from the fallen hearts. My weblog... not like if there was too much to read on it tho. For anyone interested, there's a mirc script which converts "/me 's" into " * nickname's whatever" and adds a nice "/my" command.

January 23rd, 2004, 00:29	#28
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,979	chrono...all im saying is that the gamecube DVDs suck. MGS:substance (my favorite PS2 game) would never have been able to be on GC. and that's not because of the crappy controller either __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

January 23rd, 2004, 00:53	#29
madmonkeyboy Old Gitt!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ipswich, England Posts: 338	and whats wrong with games on multiple discs? all the psx ff games were more than 1 disc, but i dont see people complaining about it! and if they made the fmv sections more compact, there wouldnt be such a problem anyway! __________________ sig removed, please refer to the new sig regulations next time

January 23rd, 2004, 02:04	#30
VDDZ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in a box under the stairs in the corner of the basement half a block down the street from Jerry's Bait shop, You know the place. Posts: 505	I think that only XBox was loseing money on the system... So, a GCCD is just a mini-DVD with a crazy format that can not be read by a PC drive, but can be copyed 1-to-1. __________________ Image made by someone at deviantART.com, I lost their name, sorry...

January 24th, 2004, 01:54	#31
madmonkeyboy Old Gitt!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ipswich, England Posts: 338	iirc nintendo was the only company making money from their consoles, and that was before the recent price cut! (i will try to find something about it to post) btw does anyone know if GC can use double layerd mini-DVDs? __________________ sig removed, please refer to the new sig regulations next time

January 27th, 2004, 05:11	#33
hbk0259 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 234	hi i am new to gc emulation. i was wondering if gc disks are readable by dvd-roms

January 30th, 2004, 01:02	#35
Sir Key Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Nirvana Posts: 1,947	@hushy i think the original xbox controller sucked bad... the gamecube controller fits me just great... ofcourse the ps2 controller is great too but they never tried inventing something new they sticked with the old one knowing everybody's fine with it but i tried playing some first person shooters with it and i think that's one little backdraw... anyways thats just opinions... everybody got his own and thats the beauty of it... btw i think it's good the gamecube discs have the encryption and all that stuff... i got 7 games atm and i'll be getting more... imo the gamecube and it's games are worth the money... the xbox games all come out for my pc too and playstation 2 emulation is growing steadily... soon i'll be able to play those games on the pc too (yeah ofcourse i got the original system and the games ) so the ony thing left for not missing some great games is the gamecube...

January 30th, 2004, 01:35	#36
ChaosCode disassembler Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewere Posts: 1,056	You guys are a little off topic? :-p Might wanna close this one down before it become a AIM convo hehehe.... __________________ CPU: Intel Core2Duo E8500 VIDEO: GeForce 8800GT RAM: 2 gigs DDR2 800 Onboard Sound HHD: 4 of verious sizes Dolphin's webmaster and admin http://www.dolphin-emu.com/ For latest news

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VDDZ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in a box under the stairs in the corner of the basement half a block down the street from Jerry's Bait shop, You know the place. Posts: 505	what does "atm" stand for? @n_w****, you mean you can't play the cd, but you can make an image of it, right? __________________ Image made by someone at deviantART.com, I lost their name, sorry...

January 30th, 2004, 04:00	#40
VDDZ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in a box under the stairs in the corner of the basement half a block down the street from Jerry's Bait shop, You know the place. Posts: 505	thanks RF. PSO? Arrr...google, here I come. __________________ Image made by someone at deviantART.com, I lost their name, sorry...