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Kaizen · December 12th, 2011, 05:01

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Originally Posted by blueshogun96

Interesting words coming from the someone who's doing it wrong! You don't even know who we're imitating.

Of course he does

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ElijahTW · December 13th, 2011, 04:40

What's the cheapest motherboard that's halfway decent & compatible with an AMD Phenom II X6 1090T? Via a friend I came into this processor, along with some RAM and a case, and being the businessman I am, I want to make a profit selling this as a performance computer.

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Strike105X · December 13th, 2011, 05:04

Depends what kind of DDR, for DDR2 i'd say mine Gigabyte MA770-UD3, DDR3 the cheapest good quality one you could get i think its MA770T-UD3P though that doesn't have USB3.0 for that you'd need a MA870-UD3 (with or without the "P"). The cheapest overall board for that CPU though would be the Asrock M3A770DE.

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Princess Garnet · December 13th, 2011, 07:51

The CPU likely isn't going to fetch too much, reason being that it's not much of a performance chip. Everyone pretty much wants Intel for performance. Those who do want it will more be those who want the chip alone because it'd be a drop in and cheap replacement to upgrade their existing AMD setup/board, so you're actually probably better off not getting a board, and it's only going to fetch so much.

The RAM I'm more sure won't fetch much, at least if it's DDR3. When 16GB of DDR3 can be had for $60, and although that's a sale price, unless you have a lot of it (like 8GB to 16GB of it), you're better off holding onto it because it'd get you so little comparatively. If that's like 4GB or something, it's literally probably worth like $15 (unless it's serious performance stuff). DDR3 RAM is kind of next to worthless in the used market. If it's DDR2 and you have what would be a lot of it for DDR2 (like 8GB), it's worth a small bit, but most RAM has become next to worthless with the way excessive amounts of it are so cheap in the new market.

Don't let me tell you it can't be done though. Good luck with it.

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ElijahTW · December 13th, 2011, 08:03

I don't expect to get a whole lot out of the computer, but considering all I need is a motherboard and graphics card, if I spend $100 on that, and $65 on a GeForce GTX260 someone is selling me, and sell it for $500 (doesn't seem unreasonable), I'm still making a decent profit.

Princess Garnet · December 13th, 2011, 08:15

Oh, well you made it sounded like you'd need a graphics card, PSU, hard drive, etc., etc. Perhaps in that case, go for it. That's not a bad price on the video card and since you have much of it free/lying around, you'll probably make a good return anyway.

If you do go that route, I advise to stay away from MSI boards. They have really infamous issues with their VRMs going up on the AMD side, and with a high draw Phenom II X6, especially if it gets overclocked, that spells disaster. It's almost guaranteed to happen. It's not only MSI boards you have to watch either, though you greatly lessen your chances with other brands, although anything budget level with lower end phase/VRMs is less able to handle higher draws. I'd suggest to get something with cooling on the MOSFETS/VRMs (around the CPU socket area) to be safe.

I wouldn't pair that CPU and GPU with any old budget PSU you have kicking around either...

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Strike105X · December 13th, 2011, 10:40

You wont really find a cheap board with mosfet cooling, the ones that have that are 890 cips and above, actually there is one cheaper, the GIGABYTE 970A-UD3, but other then that all are more beefy in price, with the gigabyte boards i listed in my earlier post you can get a decent OC even if the mosfets don't have cooling but if you want to provide something safer and go cheaper then just get one of the gigabyte boards in the above post and buy a Ezotech mosfet radiator for them, since its quite cheap (wont work with asrock, asrock like i said its quite low quality, i said it only if you want to just trow in something cheap with some decent OC abilities and be done with it, since its going to have warranty anyway and you wont worry about it).

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ElijahTW · December 13th, 2011, 18:57

I don't plan to overclock. Remember, I'm not a huge fan of building computers anymore. I don't plan to sell it to tech gurus, but rather some kid who'll believe it's uber high end. (Simply saying "six-core" should suffice)

Strike105X · December 13th, 2011, 19:05

Well like i said if you do want to provide some quality at a very good/smallest price, then trow in one of the Gigabyte MA770T-UD3/P boards (870 for USB 3.0), if you don't give a smack then go with an Asrock M3A770DE, cheap board that handles itself good but not recommended for the long run or better said long run OC due to the fact that its not with solid state caps or with quality parts, just has good chips (still the motherboard warranty will clear you of any issue).

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aceloop · December 13th, 2011, 22:25

When I die, I want to die like my grandmother, who died peacefully in her sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in her car.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · December 13th, 2011, 23:27

Ugh, I hate fresh installs. There goes the internet. And my time.

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aceloop · December 13th, 2011, 23:32

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Ugh, I hate fresh installs. There goes the internet. And my time.

fresh install of OS?

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · December 13th, 2011, 23:49

Yes.

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Princess Garnet · December 14th, 2011, 00:01

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Originally Posted by ElijahTW

I don't plan to overclock. Remember, I'm not a huge fan of building computers anymore.

Which is why I initially suggested just selling the CPU. You may get less, but throwing it together with some cheap board and who knows what you have laying around to someone who doesn't know any better sounds like a recipe for disaster. You might not try overclocking, but the seller may, and any lower end board won't have the power circuitry to hold up.

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Ugh, I hate fresh installs. There goes the internet. And my time.

I know that one. I'm still not totally set up, but as of about a week or so ago, I mostly have been.

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**@ruantec** · December 14th, 2011, 00:55

I will leave this here since the guy speech have some truth in it:

I usually do not agree with that kind of people but when someone say something that makes sense then that person should be credited for that.

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verboten999 · December 14th, 2011, 04:43

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ElijahTW · December 14th, 2011, 04:51

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Originally Posted by Strike105X

GIGABYTE 970A-UD3

Is the GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 the same thing? $90 on newegg sounds like a good deal. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128521

Princess Garnet · December 14th, 2011, 06:55

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Originally Posted by ElijahTW

Is the GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 the same thing? $90 on newegg sounds like a good deal. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128521

They're not the same thing. The "UD" series is the "Ultra Durable" series. The GIGABYTE 970A-UD3 is a board with 8+2 phase with passive cooling, while the board you listed is a 4+1 phase with no cooling at all.

Generally, those are boards you want to avoid. Referencing OCN, it doesn't appear in the list compiled here about real world failures. On the list detailing the specifics of the power capabilities, they say overclocking is okay if passive cooling is added, and it's supposedly rated for support up to 140W (at stock, I think that's a 125W TDP CPU).

In other words, it's a so-so mid range board, but if pushing a six core overclocked Phenom II is the goal, I'd watch it and follow the recommendation there. I would advise the buyer about this because this sort of stuff has led to fires. If they're going to run it at stock though, it'll be fine.

Edit: This board is $5 more and has passive MOSFET cooling. It's 4+2 phase with passive cooling. It's still got the same 140W rating, but it has throttling in place to help the VRMs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131767

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Strike105X · December 14th, 2011, 07:45

I have to say go with the one Garnet posted for 5 dollars extra its way better, usually asus is way more expensive that board is quite good.

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ElijahTW · December 14th, 2011, 08:30

Ordered that one, along with 8GB of G.SKILL DDR3-1333 RAM (matches what I already have). Will sound more impressive to say 6-core / 16GB ram than 8GB RAM.

(Amazing how cheap you can get 16GB of ram for nowadays.)

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December 13th, 2011, 04:40	#15822
ElijahTW Need more coffee. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,086	What's the cheapest motherboard that's halfway decent & compatible with an AMD Phenom II X6 1090T? Via a friend I came into this processor, along with some RAM and a case, and being the businessman I am, I want to make a profit selling this as a performance computer. Last edited by ElijahTW; December 13th, 2011 at 05:03..

December 13th, 2011, 05:04	#15823
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,674	Depends what kind of DDR, for DDR2 i'd say mine Gigabyte MA770-UD3, DDR3 the cheapest good quality one you could get i think its MA770T-UD3P though that doesn't have USB3.0 for that you'd need a MA870-UD3 (with or without the "P"). The cheapest overall board for that CPU though would be the Asrock M3A770DE. __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

December 13th, 2011, 07:51	#15824
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	The CPU likely isn't going to fetch too much, reason being that it's not much of a performance chip. Everyone pretty much wants Intel for performance. Those who do want it will more be those who want the chip alone because it'd be a drop in and cheap replacement to upgrade their existing AMD setup/board, so you're actually probably better off not getting a board, and it's only going to fetch so much. The RAM I'm more sure won't fetch much, at least if it's DDR3. When 16GB of DDR3 can be had for $60, and although that's a sale price, unless you have a lot of it (like 8GB to 16GB of it), you're better off holding onto it because it'd get you so little comparatively. If that's like 4GB or something, it's literally probably worth like $15 (unless it's serious performance stuff). DDR3 RAM is kind of next to worthless in the used market. If it's DDR2 and you have what would be a lot of it for DDR2 (like 8GB), it's worth a small bit, but most RAM has become next to worthless with the way excessive amounts of it are so cheap in the new market. Don't let me tell you it can't be done though. Good luck with it. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

December 13th, 2011, 08:03	#15825
ElijahTW Need more coffee. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,086	I don't expect to get a whole lot out of the computer, but considering all I need is a motherboard and graphics card, if I spend $100 on that, and $65 on a GeForce GTX260 someone is selling me, and sell it for $500 (doesn't seem unreasonable), I'm still making a decent profit.

December 13th, 2011, 08:15	#15826
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	Oh, well you made it sounded like you'd need a graphics card, PSU, hard drive, etc., etc. Perhaps in that case, go for it. That's not a bad price on the video card and since you have much of it free/lying around, you'll probably make a good return anyway. If you do go that route, I advise to stay away from MSI boards. They have really infamous issues with their VRMs going up on the AMD side, and with a high draw Phenom II X6, especially if it gets overclocked, that spells disaster. It's almost guaranteed to happen. It's not only MSI boards you have to watch either, though you greatly lessen your chances with other brands, although anything budget level with lower end phase/VRMs is less able to handle higher draws. I'd suggest to get something with cooling on the MOSFETS/VRMs (around the CPU socket area) to be safe. I wouldn't pair that CPU and GPU with any old budget PSU you have kicking around either... __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

December 13th, 2011, 10:40	#15827
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,674	You wont really find a cheap board with mosfet cooling, the ones that have that are 890 cips and above, actually there is one cheaper, the GIGABYTE 970A-UD3, but other then that all are more beefy in price, with the gigabyte boards i listed in my earlier post you can get a decent OC even if the mosfets don't have cooling but if you want to provide something safer and go cheaper then just get one of the gigabyte boards in the above post and buy a Ezotech mosfet radiator for them, since its quite cheap (wont work with asrock, asrock like i said its quite low quality, i said it only if you want to just trow in something cheap with some decent OC abilities and be done with it, since its going to have warranty anyway and you wont worry about it). __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

December 13th, 2011, 18:57	#15828
ElijahTW Need more coffee. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,086	I don't plan to overclock. Remember, I'm not a huge fan of building computers anymore. I don't plan to sell it to tech gurus, but rather some kid who'll believe it's uber high end. (Simply saying "six-core" should suffice)

December 13th, 2011, 19:05	#15829
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,674	Well like i said if you do want to provide some quality at a very good/smallest price, then trow in one of the Gigabyte MA770T-UD3/P boards (870 for USB 3.0), if you don't give a smack then go with an Asrock M3A770DE, cheap board that handles itself good but not recommended for the long run or better said long run OC due to the fact that its not with solid state caps or with quality parts, just has good chips (still the motherboard warranty will clear you of any issue). __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

December 13th, 2011, 22:25	#15830
aceloop Me > You Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hotel Dusk Posts: 1,512	When I die, I want to die like my grandmother, who died peacefully in her sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in her car.

December 13th, 2011, 23:27	#15831
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,320	Ugh, I hate fresh installs. There goes the internet. And my time. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

December 13th, 2011, 23:49	#15833
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,320	Yes. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

December 14th, 2011, 00:55	#15835
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,096	I will leave this here since the guy speech have some truth in it: I usually do not agree with that kind of people but when someone say something that makes sense then that person should be credited for that. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

December 14th, 2011, 04:43	#15836
verboten999 soshin Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,591	I just realized that Spyhop is banned. I need to visit this forum more often.

December 14th, 2011, 07:45	#15839
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,674	I have to say go with the one Garnet posted for 5 dollars extra its way better, usually asus is way more expensive that board is quite good. __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

December 14th, 2011, 08:30	#15840
ElijahTW Need more coffee. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,086	Ordered that one, along with 8GB of G.SKILL DDR3-1333 RAM (matches what I already have). Will sound more impressive to say 6-core / 16GB ram than 8GB RAM. (Amazing how cheap you can get 16GB of ram for nowadays.)