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ninja · January 23rd, 2009, 20:34

Mine has MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, and EM64T.

What should I choose? I try SSE 3 and 4 plugins and my picture goes all wobbly!

redlofredlof · January 23rd, 2009, 21:52

post a screenshot of that. probably vu skip of frame skip is causing the wobble. Do you have the latest drivers installed.

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ninja · January 23rd, 2009, 21:56

I can't really post a shot of the wobbling, it'd just look motionless in a screenshot. My drivers are not very old, I think it's ForceWare 175.16. Recent nVidia drivers cause major problems and cause the system not to boot.

ninja · January 23rd, 2009, 22:23

Aha... it was due to the interlacing. Weave BFF works pretty well.

roguethunder · February 7th, 2009, 04:43

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Originally Posted by cottonvibes

I believe Gabest was asked about this along time ago, and he mentioned that SSE3 doesn't have any useful instructions for GSdx.
so that's why there's no SSE3 build.

I also want to add that only Intel CPU's support SSSE3, and SSE4.

so anyone with an AMD cpu, should stick to GSdx SSE2 for now.

Ummm. Phenom and Kuma core Athlons support SSE4a, a version of SSE4. But yeah, still not SSSE3. (In fact, probably never will.)
Not that Ive seen a Kuma core yet myself. I guess they're out now tho. (dual-cores of similar design to phenoms, aka K10)

Tho, I guess that's semi-off-subject. As this threads REALLY for a SSE3 and SSSE3 clarification.

Squall-Leonhart · February 7th, 2009, 05:55

SSE4 is NOT a version of SSE4. last i checked, only 1 of the extensions was from SSE4,

roguethunder · February 8th, 2009, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

SSE4 is NOT a version of SSE4. last i checked, only 1 of the extensions was from SSE4,

There are currently 3 subversions of SSE4. SSE4a, SSE4.1 and SSE4.2...

SSE4 is a set of 54 bloody instructions... SSE4a IS listed as a subset... so...

Squall-Leonhart · February 9th, 2009, 00:11

4.1 and 4.2 are subsets, 4a isn't even a Set, its 1. 1 extensions from SSE4, and a bunch of useless others of AMD's design.

IOmega666 · February 10th, 2009, 17:50

I can say i got rly a great plus of performance between using SSE2 and SSE4 . Like 10FPS en Saint Seiya Hades, and 10-15FPS in DBZ BT 3 .

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xenogearz87 · March 11th, 2009, 04:28

i have a problem.. i have update direct x.. but still cant play..

Squall-Leonhart · March 11th, 2009, 05:09

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Originally Posted by ninja

Mine has MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, and EM64T.

What should I choose? I try SSE 3 and 4 plugins and my picture goes all wobbly!

There is no SSE3 plugin, its SSSE3, try enabling use Native in the gfx plugin.

charlie22 · August 15th, 2009, 06:29

I believe Gabest was asked about this along time ago, and he mentioned that SSE3 doesn't have any useful instructions for GSdx.
so that's why there's no SSE3 build.
I also want to add that only Intel CPU's support SSSE3, and SSE4.

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snappy c g · July 26th, 2011, 05:24

My CPU is an Intel Pentium 4, I downloaded and ran CPU-Z and it says it supports SSE3. Is there an SSE3 build of the GSdx plugin? I know there is an SSSE3 version, but it's different from what I have read. SSE4 is not supported sadly.

I am a noob to all this so sorry if this post is uneeded.

I am trying to get FFX to run, it runs around 30FPS, with my CD in the drive, and the iso I made.

The main question, is there an SSE3 build?

masta.g.86 · July 26th, 2011, 06:26

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There is no SSE3 plugin

This still holds true even today.

Besides, assuming there was one, it wouldn't be enough of a speed improvement for a Pentium 4 CPU. It's seriously time for an upgrade if you want to emulate PS2 games.

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Princess Garnet · July 26th, 2011, 10:22

Ah, a Pentium 4 meeting PCSX2. That brings back some memories.

I actually got a Pentium 4 to do full speed in battle in Final Fantasy X... when I overclocked it to 4.5GHz and when I had two of the characters flee from battle and there was just one or two enemies... Needless to say, that chips is sort of hopeless for PCSX2 in all but the lightest 2D games.

Still, 30FPS isn't terrible considering it's... well, a Pentium 4. I remember on older PCSX2 versions on my 2.8GHz Northwood w/Hyper-threading, I got ~15FPS average, sometimes lower, sometimes up to ~20FPS if I was lucky. It shows just how far PCSX2 itself has come.

The unfortunate reality is though, that CPU is about hopeless if more consistent full speed is what you're after. A Pentium 4 just won't cut it (a highly overclocked dual core variant of it, ala, the Pentium D, might do "okay-ish" for some games though I imagine).

Anyway, different SSE versions usually don't make huge differences themselves, and even when you are playing one of the few specific games where they may give a nice ~10FPS (or how ever many) speed up, when you're at half speed, it won't do miracles. Even if that had SSSE3 and SSE4, you'd likely see little improvement.

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Stewie · July 26th, 2011, 22:44

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MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V

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masta.g.86 · July 26th, 2011, 23:04

No need.

The upcoming Bulldozer CPU architecture is supposed to have SSSE3 and SSE4 SIMD extension support as well as AVX.

Not to mention SSE3 has no operations crucial to speeding up GSDX and SSE4a is just one useless function by itself.

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DaMan · July 27th, 2011, 11:34

ValDanX uses a bit of SSE4a.

snappy c g · August 1st, 2011, 11:11

@Princess Garnet: Do you think with my specs I can play FFX at all? I agree with you also, I tried an older version of PCSX2 and I changed plugins with the latest builds only to find it getting slower and slower sadly. I am really happy however, because my old computer barely even got 10 FPS. I can get up to 35-40 FPS without sound, but I would rather have sound, and 40 FPS really is not that great for playing and beating the game. I am very proud of the project and how great it is doing so far, it's amazing really. I hope soon I can play FFX on my PC, I dont think I can upgrade it anytime soon.

Do you think with over clocking that it could stand a chance? Or is my PC hopeless now? I think it's hopeless because as masta.g.86 said it's really slow. I think with about fifty-fify five FPS that I can maybe live with the slow down, I just worry about my CPU going out, because it takes all it can just to run this game. Trying several settings, and I cant do better than maybe 40 FPS tops.

It's been a year since I picked up on this project again, and it's really come far! Sadly though with what I have now, it cant emulate decently yet. Keep up the fantastic job everyone working on this project! ^_^

I love FFIX btw, it's my favorite in my series.

Specs for my computer:
Intel Pentium 4 3.00 GHz
82945G Express Chipset Family
2.99 GHz, 1.99 GB of RAM

I know it is terribly slow but I hope to emulate FFX somehow.

Princess Garnet · August 1st, 2011, 12:29

That looks like an Intel Pentium 4 530 or 630. Those chips themselves usually overclock rather well (especially the latter), that is, given you have the proper other hardware. I can say that right now, just by looking at that chipset, you probably won't get far (and if that's an OEM board/PC like a Dell, HP, Compaq, gateway, whatever, then overclocking is all but out anyway). So, you're probably not going to get much farther. Even if you did, few Pentium 4s would reach over ~4.6GHz for practical usability even given good cooling and a good motherboard, and even then, it's nowhere near enough.

Also, if it has no dedicated GPU and it's instead using an onboard Intel GMA, that is likely hurting performance too.

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snappy c g Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United states Arkansas Posts: 22	Help? My CPU is an Intel Pentium 4, I downloaded and ran CPU-Z and it says it supports SSE3. Is there an SSE3 build of the GSdx plugin? I know there is an SSSE3 version, but it's different from what I have read. SSE4 is not supported sadly. I am a noob to all this so sorry if this post is uneeded. I am trying to get FFX to run, it runs around 30FPS, with my CD in the drive, and the iso I made. The main question, is there an SSE3 build?

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January 23rd, 2009, 20:34	#21
ninja Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Peru Posts: 41	Mine has MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, and EM64T. What should I choose? I try SSE 3 and 4 plugins and my picture goes all wobbly!

January 23rd, 2009, 21:52	#22
redlofredlof folder chan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: C:> Posts: 7,038	post a screenshot of that. probably vu skip of frame skip is causing the wobble. Do you have the latest drivers installed. __________________ Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know

January 23rd, 2009, 21:56	#23
ninja Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Peru Posts: 41	I can't really post a shot of the wobbling, it'd just look motionless in a screenshot. My drivers are not very old, I think it's ForceWare 175.16. Recent nVidia drivers cause major problems and cause the system not to boot.

January 23rd, 2009, 22:23	#24
ninja Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Peru Posts: 41	Aha... it was due to the interlacing. Weave BFF works pretty well.

February 7th, 2009, 05:55	#26
Squall-Leonhart Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 23,270	SSE4 is NOT a version of SSE4. last i checked, only 1 of the extensions was from SSE4,

February 9th, 2009, 00:11	#28
Squall-Leonhart Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 23,270	4.1 and 4.2 are subsets, 4a isn't even a Set, its 1. 1 extensions from SSE4, and a bunch of useless others of AMD's design.

February 10th, 2009, 17:50	#29
IOmega666 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: My Home Posts: 408	I can say i got rly a great plus of performance between using SSE2 and SSE4 . Like 10FPS en Saint Seiya Hades, and 10-15FPS in DBZ BT 3 . __________________ Powered By : Intel Core i5 750 @Stock • 2x2GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 CL7 DDR3 • ATI HIS 4850 • Seagate 320GB • PowerCooler 550W

March 11th, 2009, 04:28	#30
xenogearz87 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: j/m Posts: 3	i have a problem.. i have update direct x.. but still cant play..

August 15th, 2009, 06:29	#32
charlie22 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 3	I believe Gabest was asked about this along time ago, and he mentioned that SSE3 doesn't have any useful instructions for GSdx. so that's why there's no SSE3 build. I also want to add that only Intel CPU's support SSSE3, and SSE4. __________________ removed

July 26th, 2011, 10:22	#35
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	Ah, a Pentium 4 meeting PCSX2. That brings back some memories. I actually got a Pentium 4 to do full speed in battle in Final Fantasy X... when I overclocked it to 4.5GHz and when I had two of the characters flee from battle and there was just one or two enemies... Needless to say, that chips is sort of hopeless for PCSX2 in all but the lightest 2D games. Still, 30FPS isn't terrible considering it's... well, a Pentium 4. I remember on older PCSX2 versions on my 2.8GHz Northwood w/Hyper-threading, I got ~15FPS average, sometimes lower, sometimes up to ~20FPS if I was lucky. It shows just how far PCSX2 itself has come. The unfortunate reality is though, that CPU is about hopeless if more consistent full speed is what you're after. A Pentium 4 just won't cut it (a highly overclocked dual core variant of it, ala, the Pentium D, might do "okay-ish" for some games though I imagine). Anyway, different SSE versions usually don't make huge differences themselves, and even when you are playing one of the few specific games where they may give a nice ~10FPS (or how ever many) speed up, when you're at half speed, it won't do miracles. Even if that had SSSE3 and SSE4, you'd likely see little improvement. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

July 26th, 2011, 22:44	#36
Stewie Classic Gamer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: England Posts: 32	It Would be Nice if there was a AMD Build for AMD Fanboys Amd Phenom II 955BE MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V __________________ Phenom 955BE @ 3.2Ghz M4A785D-M Pro 4GB DDR2 1066 Coolermaser Elite 342 Case

July 27th, 2011, 11:34	#38
DaMan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 152	ValDanX uses a bit of SSE4a.

August 1st, 2011, 11:11	#39
snappy c g Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United states Arkansas Posts: 22	@Princess Garnet: Do you think with my specs I can play FFX at all? I agree with you also, I tried an older version of PCSX2 and I changed plugins with the latest builds only to find it getting slower and slower sadly. I am really happy however, because my old computer barely even got 10 FPS. I can get up to 35-40 FPS without sound, but I would rather have sound, and 40 FPS really is not that great for playing and beating the game. I am very proud of the project and how great it is doing so far, it's amazing really. I hope soon I can play FFX on my PC, I dont think I can upgrade it anytime soon. Do you think with over clocking that it could stand a chance? Or is my PC hopeless now? I think it's hopeless because as masta.g.86 said it's really slow. I think with about fifty-fify five FPS that I can maybe live with the slow down, I just worry about my CPU going out, because it takes all it can just to run this game. Trying several settings, and I cant do better than maybe 40 FPS tops. It's been a year since I picked up on this project again, and it's really come far! Sadly though with what I have now, it cant emulate decently yet. Keep up the fantastic job everyone working on this project! ^_^ I love FFIX btw, it's my favorite in my series. Specs for my computer: Intel Pentium 4 3.00 GHz 82945G Express Chipset Family 2.99 GHz, 1.99 GB of RAM I know it is terribly slow but I hope to emulate FFX somehow.

August 1st, 2011, 12:29	#40
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	That looks like an Intel Pentium 4 530 or 630. Those chips themselves usually overclock rather well (especially the latter), that is, given you have the proper other hardware. I can say that right now, just by looking at that chipset, you probably won't get far (and if that's an OEM board/PC like a Dell, HP, Compaq, gateway, whatever, then overclocking is all but out anyway). So, you're probably not going to get much farther. Even if you did, few Pentium 4s would reach over ~4.6GHz for practical usability even given good cooling and a good motherboard, and even then, it's nowhere near enough. Also, if it has no dedicated GPU and it's instead using an onboard Intel GMA, that is likely hurting performance too. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."