Suggest me a tablet!

there · June 16th, 2012, 13:28

I need... It to not be an outrageous price, i.e. preferably no 1200$ tablets! To be capable of text editing, and be decent or better at it. To have a touchscreen, one which supports styuls or can be made to support it - I want to draw, and to make sprites. and it seem touch functionality and stylus supports are good for this. I dunno how screen size would play into this, I guess the bigger the better? One which can be made graphics on, like graphics rendering and photoshop/gimp/similar programs. I pretty much want to make some simpler indie games on it, for that reason I guess recent hardware would be good. One which can be used for gaming, although I don't need it run all the newest games, and I can go to low settings. To be usable for videochats, even if I have to hook a webcam up to it. If it can take pictures and record videos and sound as well, it doesn't have to but it would be good. To be decent or better at webbrowsing. To be capable of running many emulators, not since I need it to, but just incase. So far, I'm only really interested in being able to run no$gba and desmume, and maybe also 3ds emulators at a latter point. I hear a 2GHz dual core is need for desmume. And enough storage space for all of this. I dunno how much i should have, 64GB maybe?

I might consider a laptop, if provided with sufficient arguments or if there are any good ones with at least touchscreen, preferably also stylus support. If I somehow should consider something else entirely, then tell me.

Edit: Here's some links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...blet_computers

newegg.com

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 17th, 2012, 11:32

preferably not $1200 is a bit vague....what's your actual budget?

You're not going to be able to run either of those well on a tablet by the way. Tablets just don't possess sufficient processing power. Dependent on that game but DeSmuME likes clocks more in the range of 3Ghz and sometimes even beyond that.

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Lasnap · June 17th, 2012, 11:42

There are some X86 based tablets that have intel i5 cpus and those are the only ones capabable of all your requests otherwise if yuou want a cheaper tablet you will be stuck getting a arm based tablet and neither no$gba or desmume will work on them.

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emugiant · June 22nd, 2012, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

preferably not $1200 is a bit vague....what's your actual budget?

You're not going to be able to run either of those well on a tablet by the way. Tablets just don't possess sufficient processing power. Dependent on that game but DeSmuME likes clocks more in the range of 3Ghz and sometimes even beyond that.

Care to elaborate on that desmemume part? Like, does it require a 3Ghz single core, dual core, ivy bridge or are we talking core 2 duo? does clock speed alone matter, or is number of cores also a big factor? Does it vary hugely by game or not? Any info you can offer is interesting.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 22nd, 2012, 15:03

Anything after a C2D (from Intel...no idea how AMDs perform but judging by their gaming performance you likely need 4Ghz or so on those to match an Intel). Mostly 2 cores matter but it can use up to 4. And yeah clock speed alone is the biggest factor. (Higher clocked dual would be better than a lower clocked quad)

Not entirely sure how much it varies since well I just have this system and thus once something runs well I don't know at what clocks it would start becoming slow, though it's safe to say that my sister's laptop with a Mobile Core i3 (first gen) clocked at 2.5Ghz doesn't run games as well as my system (in my sig). Professor Layton and the Curious Village for instance showed lag on her system whereas it ran perfectly on mine. I reckon I could do with a bit more power (200-300Mhz or so) for Pokemon though, eventhough it generally runs full speed as far as I can tell.

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**@ruantec** · June 22nd, 2012, 15:05

As of now i would strongly suggest surface... any of both versions as to me is the most awesome tablet i've seen so far. As soon as i get my hands on the surface pro with that juicy yvi-bridge CPU and nice GPU i will turn the beast into a Emulator's surface

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runawayprisoner · June 23rd, 2012, 07:52

Samsung Slate 7 seems to be the one, though it IS $1200 in price. Either that or ASUS Slate EP121. You won't be able to find any other tablet that fits those criterias at this point.

But forget about DS emu or 3DS emu. Pretty much 3GHz+ clock speed is required as stated and only the very high-end gaming laptops can cope with that sort of speed without melting down.

emugiant · June 23rd, 2012, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Samsung Slate 7 seems to be the one, though it IS $1200 in price. Either that or ASUS Slate EP121. You won't be able to find any other tablet that fits those criterias at this point.

But forget about DS emu or 3DS emu. Pretty much 3GHz+ clock speed is required as stated and only the very high-end gaming laptops can cope with that sort of speed without melting down.

Is this for real? I'm not knowledgeable or anything but it just sounds so extreme. needing a high end gaming laptop just to run a DS game, I mean look at the DS its just this little piece of equipment. You mean to say a ivy bridge mobile cpu with say, 2 cores clocked at 1.8 GHz wouldn't be able to handle it? I just imagine that a 1.8 Ghz in Ivy bridge means much more than 1.8 GHz in a C2D...

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 23rd, 2012, 20:19

There have been improvements in Ivybridge but it's not THAT big of a jump. And yes that's exactly what he means, nothing other than high-end can do DS emulation...and even then you're much better off with a Desktop processor and system. Emulation needs much more power than running natively.

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!!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

runawayprisoner · June 24th, 2012, 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by emugiant

Is this for real? I'm not knowledgeable or anything but it just sounds so extreme. needing a high end gaming laptop just to run a DS game, I mean look at the DS its just this little piece of equipment. You mean to say a ivy bridge mobile cpu with say, 2 cores clocked at 1.8 GHz wouldn't be able to handle it? I just imagine that a 1.8 Ghz in Ivy bridge means much more than 1.8 GHz in a C2D...

The problem is DS emu requires emulation of 2 different CPUs, and they both have to run in sync. You're essentially running 2 different emulators and trying to match their speed at the same time. The timing is insane to grasp, and that's why it's more resource-intensive than other emulators.

It also doesn't help that the DS hasn't been emulated long enough for optimizations to start taking place. We are pretty much still at the stage where we are trying to get everything to run right first.

In comparison, something like a PS2 emulator is far less resource-intensive (depending on the game) simply because PS2 has been emulated for quite a while now, and we have come pretty far in terms of optimizations.

But in any case, it's actually quite sad that a 1.8GHz dual-core Ivy Bridge can't handle DS emulation right. You're gonna need either a quad-core Ivy or a dual-core Ivy that can turbo boost to about 3.3GHz or so.

emugiant · June 27th, 2012, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

The problem is DS emu requires emulation of 2 different CPUs, and they both have to run in sync. You're essentially running 2 different emulators and trying to match their speed at the same time. The timing is insane to grasp, and that's why it's more resource-intensive than other emulators.

It also doesn't help that the DS hasn't been emulated long enough for optimizations to start taking place. We are pretty much still at the stage where we are trying to get everything to run right first.

In comparison, something like a PS2 emulator is far less resource-intensive (depending on the game) simply because PS2 has been emulated for quite a while now, and we have come pretty far in terms of optimizations.

But in any case, it's actually quite sad that a 1.8GHz dual-core Ivy Bridge can't handle DS emulation right. You're gonna need either a quad-core Ivy or a dual-core Ivy that can turbo boost to about 3.3GHz or so.

So do you think that the Haswell (intel's next cpu line, scheduled for 2013) jump in computing power combined with optimizations by 2013 will make it so that a lower-end haswell dual core cpu can run desmume fluidly? DS has been out since 2004 so I would think that optimization should be kicking into force soon, taking advantage of multiple cores should have come some ways by now too.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 27th, 2012, 13:28

No.

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emugiant · June 27th, 2012, 13:58

Too bad, so it looks like I'll have to pay up for mid-end or even more. Would a low-end haswell likely be good enough for fluid running of PS2 and GCN emulators at the least? How long will it take before desmume is a fluid emulator anyway, 2014, 2015? It should be somewhat predictable based on the history of earlier emulators.

Also, how slow-running and problematic are 3DS emulators if DS emulation is still this difficult, even now?

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 27th, 2012, 14:01

3DS emulators don't exist.

And nobody knows is the answer for the rest of your DS questions, could even be never. As for PS2 and GCN...depends on the game (Wii on Dolphin is a hell no). No is still the safest answer though.

DeSmuME is fully fluid as long as your system has a decent (2.8Ghz+) amount of power though (pretty much any modern desktop chip).

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Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!!

!!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

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runawayprisoner · June 28th, 2012, 17:15

Well, in my opinions, best way to enjoy mobile/portable gaming right now is to... enjoy the original systems themselves.

DS emulators just can't capture the form of the device, and its handling. Some games (like The World Ends With You) are almost impossible to play just with the emulator alone since both touch screen and hard button interaction are required in battle.

And there's also the fact that the DS itself is still more portable than a tablet PC.

June 16th, 2012, 13:28	#1
there Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1	Suggest me a tablet! I need... It to not be an outrageous price, i.e. preferably no 1200$ tablets! To be capable of text editing, and be decent or better at it. To have a touchscreen, one which supports styuls or can be made to support it - I want to draw, and to make sprites. and it seem touch functionality and stylus supports are good for this. I dunno how screen size would play into this, I guess the bigger the better? One which can be made graphics on, like graphics rendering and photoshop/gimp/similar programs. I pretty much want to make some simpler indie games on it, for that reason I guess recent hardware would be good. One which can be used for gaming, although I don't need it run all the newest games, and I can go to low settings. To be usable for videochats, even if I have to hook a webcam up to it. If it can take pictures and record videos and sound as well, it doesn't have to but it would be good. To be decent or better at webbrowsing. To be capable of running many emulators, not since I need it to, but just incase. So far, I'm only really interested in being able to run no$gba and desmume, and maybe also 3ds emulators at a latter point. I hear a 2GHz dual core is need for desmume. And enough storage space for all of this. I dunno how much i should have, 64GB maybe? I might consider a laptop, if provided with sufficient arguments or if there are any good ones with at least touchscreen, preferably also stylus support. If I somehow should consider something else entirely, then tell me. Edit: Here's some links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...blet_computers newegg.com

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June 17th, 2012, 11:32	#2
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,354	preferably not $1200 is a bit vague....what's your actual budget? You're not going to be able to run either of those well on a tablet by the way. Tablets just don't possess sufficient processing power. Dependent on that game but DeSmuME likes clocks more in the range of 3Ghz and sometimes even beyond that. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

June 17th, 2012, 11:42	#3
Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,870	There are some X86 based tablets that have intel i5 cpus and those are the only ones capabable of all your requests otherwise if yuou want a cheaper tablet you will be stuck getting a arm based tablet and neither no$gba or desmume will work on them. __________________ Love Knows No Bounds!

June 22nd, 2012, 15:03	#5
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,354	Anything after a C2D (from Intel...no idea how AMDs perform but judging by their gaming performance you likely need 4Ghz or so on those to match an Intel). Mostly 2 cores matter but it can use up to 4. And yeah clock speed alone is the biggest factor. (Higher clocked dual would be better than a lower clocked quad) Not entirely sure how much it varies since well I just have this system and thus once something runs well I don't know at what clocks it would start becoming slow, though it's safe to say that my sister's laptop with a Mobile Core i3 (first gen) clocked at 2.5Ghz doesn't run games as well as my system (in my sig). Professor Layton and the Curious Village for instance showed lag on her system whereas it ran perfectly on mine. I reckon I could do with a bit more power (200-300Mhz or so) for Pokemon though, eventhough it generally runs full speed as far as I can tell. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! Last edited by SCHUMI_4EVER; June 22nd, 2012 at 15:12..

June 22nd, 2012, 15:05	#6
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,101	As of now i would strongly suggest surface... any of both versions as to me is the most awesome tablet i've seen so far. As soon as i get my hands on the surface pro with that juicy yvi-bridge CPU and nice GPU i will turn the beast into a Emulator's surface __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

June 23rd, 2012, 07:52	#7
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Samsung Slate 7 seems to be the one, though it IS $1200 in price. Either that or ASUS Slate EP121. You won't be able to find any other tablet that fits those criterias at this point. But forget about DS emu or 3DS emu. Pretty much 3GHz+ clock speed is required as stated and only the very high-end gaming laptops can cope with that sort of speed without melting down.

June 23rd, 2012, 20:19	#9
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,354	There have been improvements in Ivybridge but it's not THAT big of a jump. And yes that's exactly what he means, nothing other than high-end can do DS emulation...and even then you're much better off with a Desktop processor and system. Emulation needs much more power than running natively. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

June 27th, 2012, 13:28	#12
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,354	No. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

June 27th, 2012, 13:58	#13
emugiant Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4	Too bad, so it looks like I'll have to pay up for mid-end or even more. Would a low-end haswell likely be good enough for fluid running of PS2 and GCN emulators at the least? How long will it take before desmume is a fluid emulator anyway, 2014, 2015? It should be somewhat predictable based on the history of earlier emulators. Also, how slow-running and problematic are 3DS emulators if DS emulation is still this difficult, even now?

June 27th, 2012, 14:01	#14
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,354	3DS emulators don't exist. And nobody knows is the answer for the rest of your DS questions, could even be never. As for PS2 and GCN...depends on the game (Wii on Dolphin is a hell no). No is still the safest answer though. DeSmuME is fully fluid as long as your system has a decent (2.8Ghz+) amount of power though (pretty much any modern desktop chip). __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! Last edited by SCHUMI_4EVER; June 27th, 2012 at 14:06..

June 28th, 2012, 17:15	#15
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Well, in my opinions, best way to enjoy mobile/portable gaming right now is to... enjoy the original systems themselves. DS emulators just can't capture the form of the device, and its handling. Some games (like The World Ends With You) are almost impossible to play just with the emulator alone since both touch screen and hard button interaction are required in battle. And there's also the fact that the DS itself is still more portable than a tablet PC.