Diablo 3 - Page 16

TastEPlasma · May 22nd, 2012, 16:23

Just played through an hour or so of Torchlight 2 beta (got cut off by a power interruption at home), and while I cant necessarily say I am super impressed, I am satisfied.

It was fun. Things like finding a magic shot gun that turned out to be the unique "Boomstick", which under its properties had the ability to upgrade if you killed 20 of a certain type of enemy, is neat. It was nice to have access to a set of skill trees again, that is one mechanic that I think works extremely well, and one of the things I have been most disappointed in about D3.

I played an embermage, and the first tier spells were pretty neat.

Also, they expanded the pet system a bit. Like 8 pets to choose from in the beta, looked like more slots available. Functionality appeared to be the same as in 1.

It supports up to 6 people multiplayer, offline single player, and LAN play.

The art style is pretty consistent throughout, and in contrast, does make D3 look gritty and dark by comparison. It is very much toon.

Regardless of D3s merits, I can tell that I will enjoy playing TL2 a lot more. Very much looking forward to playing multiplayer.

I have often wondered if it is really possible to determine intent from a piece of art, whether it be painting, music, games, etc. I cant know for sure because I have knowledge of the situation other than just playing the games, but it seems to me TL2 was created with the intent of providing entertainment to the player. It seems to me that D3 was created with the intent of providing money to the publisher, exploiting the power gamer and gold farmer to create a machine that generates revenue with a minimum of effort on their part.

As an aside, I think I most excited by the Lineage Eternal preview video. Still lots they could F' up on and ruin it, but it seems like they have a solid foundation that a great game could be built upon. I think TL2 may, in some respects, be more of the same, but it is more of the same done well, with whipped topping on top to add a rich, creamy smoothness. :-)

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Kaiser Sigma · May 22nd, 2012, 18:47

D3's weaknesses are obvious: DRM is the <insert nemesis of your religion of choice here> of the video game World and rightly so. Hacking is something I've mixed feelings about, it's easy to complain about the company but when people are hell bent on exploiting a system, they'll find a way one way or the other. I think people saying that an upcoming game will be better than D3 are talking out of their asses~.

D3 is solid, but it's not for everybody. It comes with the territory of the genre. I also think that the art is not for everybody, but it's far from being the low tier thing I see a lot of people claiming it to be. Music is good old Diablo stuff but enhanced, again, not for everybody but for those who grew up with D / D2 this is an amazing thing. Will it appeal to all? Certainly not, few games do. But D3 is a very, very solid, fun experience making aside it's permanent stigma of the DRM crap. People saying otherwise either came to judge with bias due to the DRM stuff or didn't play the game enough~.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 22nd, 2012, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Kaiser Sigma

D3's weaknesses are obvious: DRM is the <insert nemesis of your religion of choice here> of the video game World and rightly so. Hacking is something I've mixed feelings about, it's easy to complain about the company but when people are hell bent on exploiting a system, they'll find a way one way or the other. I think people saying that an upcoming game will be better than D3 are talking out of their asses~.

It's a fact for me because interestingly enough Diablo is the very thing mentioned in your first sentence.

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Kaiser Sigma · May 22nd, 2012, 21:58

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

It's a fact for me because interestingly enough Diablo is the very thing mentioned in your first sentence.

My english could be failing me (a strong possibility) but I can't make any sense out of your post~.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 22nd, 2012, 22:08

That's because originally the link is Spanish not English.
Diablo = Devil
For our Spanish speakers this thread is called Devil 3.

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KrossX · May 22nd, 2012, 22:52

It makes no sense to me either... and me language be spanish. =S

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 22nd, 2012, 23:10

http://translation.babylon.com/english/Diablo/

In the first sentence he talks about DRM being the Devil...well this game is the Devil to me anyways in name and thus Torchlight 2 will be better no matter what.

Look I've played "evil" games (in fact Torchlight 2 falls into that category as well) but I draw the line at something actually named Devil.

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KrossX · May 22nd, 2012, 23:24

Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh, I would've never guessed... regardless of language.

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Kaiser Sigma · May 22nd, 2012, 23:56

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Originally Posted by KrossX

Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh, I would've never guessed... regardless of language.

On the same boat, and my main language is Spanish too. It's just that it seems a few key posts were skipped when he made the original reply. Regardless, and back on the original point, SCHUMI_4EVER proved my point that a lot of people will judge D3 negatively based on the DRM crap~.

It's not unwarranted, by calling a non released game a better choice solely on it may prove to be too bias~.

Strike105X · May 23rd, 2012, 08:19

^For some (including myself) the drm always online crap is an important factor in judging a game (if it ain't for you good for you but don't force or don't think i got to think the same in that regard), i kept on playing diablo 2 for so long also mainly due to the advantages of having a local game and those where mods and save editors, i don't think i would have been able to hold on playing it for so long if it weren't for those. I mean hell in almost 2 years of playing i only got two drops from my favorite used weapon/armor set... Plus there's one more thing i'm worring about a successful always on DRM game can help push this system forward...

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Kaiser Sigma · May 23rd, 2012, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Strike105X

^For some (including myself) the drm always online crap is an important factor in judging a game (if it ain't for you good for you but don't force or don't think i got to think the same in that regard) (...)

Never did. Merely stated the obvious: a lot of people are dismissing the game altogether based on the DRM component. The DRM component is a deal breaker for a lot, that much is fine. But the DRM component doesn't take away from all the many great things about the game itself, ignoring them because of the one negative thing holds no merit. It's like saying a game is bad because is on X platform, regardless of the platform / company, a game (usually) has a lot of possitive things to it. This is no different~.

snickothemule · May 23rd, 2012, 12:05

Tried out the Witch Doctor a bit today, really fun character. Spitting venom, throwing spiders, flaming bats, hands that come from the ground, really cool character.

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KrossX · May 23rd, 2012, 14:19

Would it even be worthy to try and play Hardcore with the server lag and rubberbanding?

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 23rd, 2012, 14:21

Not worth it at all playing the hardcore mode as far as I understand, it basically only gives you permanent game over with no additional perk to make up for it aside from perhaps an achievement.

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Kaiser Sigma · May 23rd, 2012, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrossX

Would it even be worthy to try and play Hardcore with the server lag and rubberbanding?

Even without it, hardcore mode always struck me as pointlessly retarded. Why invest copious amounts of time in a character that will be gone forever at the most minimum of mistakes? People used to be crazy about it in DII, I just skipped that mode altogether~.

KrossX · May 23rd, 2012, 14:47

Hardcore is fun for me, it makes me afraid of dying in these games.

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Xblade · May 23rd, 2012, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

http://translation.babylon.com/english/Diablo/

In the first sentence he talks about DRM being the Devil...well this game is the Devil to me anyways in name and thus Torchlight 2 will be better no matter what.

Look I've played "evil" games (in fact Torchlight 2 falls into that category as well) but I draw the line at something actually named Devil.

Why would you care what its called as long as you get to the play the hero?

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 23rd, 2012, 16:48

Because it has greater demonic influence than other games and makes light of something that is beyond evil? Not even Darksiders or DMC is that bad.

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Noja87 · May 23rd, 2012, 17:28

Game just sold 6,666,666 million copies. Thats crazy. I thought it was going to sell 3 because of the drm thing.

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KrossX · May 23rd, 2012, 17:29

Demonic influence ... ? You mean Activision-Blizzard? That's very demonic indeed.

Quote:

Blizzard send word that Diablo III sold 3.5 million copies in the first 24 hours on sale. They also point out: “That number does not include the more than 1.2 million players who received Diablo III as part of signing up for the World of Warcraft Annual Pass promotion.” The upshot of that was 4.7 million people had the game on day one, and after a week that as grown to 6.3 million. That is a lot of copies of a videogame.

Diablo III Is The Fastest-Selling PC Game Ever @ Rock, Paper, Shotgun

#EDIT: ^ninja'ed. XD

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TastEPlasma Effulgent Plasma Chemist Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 518	Just played through an hour or so of Torchlight 2 beta (got cut off by a power interruption at home), and while I cant necessarily say I am super impressed, I am satisfied. It was fun. Things like finding a magic shot gun that turned out to be the unique "Boomstick", which under its properties had the ability to upgrade if you killed 20 of a certain type of enemy, is neat. It was nice to have access to a set of skill trees again, that is one mechanic that I think works extremely well, and one of the things I have been most disappointed in about D3. I played an embermage, and the first tier spells were pretty neat. Also, they expanded the pet system a bit. Like 8 pets to choose from in the beta, looked like more slots available. Functionality appeared to be the same as in 1. It supports up to 6 people multiplayer, offline single player, and LAN play. The art style is pretty consistent throughout, and in contrast, does make D3 look gritty and dark by comparison. It is very much toon. Regardless of D3s merits, I can tell that I will enjoy playing TL2 a lot more. Very much looking forward to playing multiplayer. I have often wondered if it is really possible to determine intent from a piece of art, whether it be painting, music, games, etc. I cant know for sure because I have knowledge of the situation other than just playing the games, but it seems to me TL2 was created with the intent of providing entertainment to the player. It seems to me that D3 was created with the intent of providing money to the publisher, exploiting the power gamer and gold farmer to create a machine that generates revenue with a minimum of effort on their part. As an aside, I think I most excited by the Lineage Eternal preview video. Still lots they could F' up on and ruin it, but it seems like they have a solid foundation that a great game could be built upon. I think TL2 may, in some respects, be more of the same, but it is more of the same done well, with whipped topping on top to add a rich, creamy smoothness. :-) __________________ Computer Specs: Spoiler: c2d 6320 (1.86) @ 3.3Ghz 4GB OCZ Reaper DDR2-1066 5-5-5-15 BFG 8800GTX OC x2 SB Audigy SE eVGA 680i (122-CK-NF63-TR) 700W Corsair GS 60GB OCZ Vertex x2 in RAID 0 (BOOT/APPs) 400GB WD ASUS ML248 Nautilus 500 WC system + Swiftech MCR120 rad on gpu and cpu (single loop) My GameDev Webpage: TastEPlasma

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May 22nd, 2012, 18:47	#302
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 15,314	D3's weaknesses are obvious: DRM is the <insert nemesis of your religion of choice here> of the video game World and rightly so. Hacking is something I've mixed feelings about, it's easy to complain about the company but when people are hell bent on exploiting a system, they'll find a way one way or the other. I think people saying that an upcoming game will be better than D3 are talking out of their asses~. D3 is solid, but it's not for everybody. It comes with the territory of the genre. I also think that the art is not for everybody, but it's far from being the low tier thing I see a lot of people claiming it to be. Music is good old Diablo stuff but enhanced, again, not for everybody but for those who grew up with D / D2 this is an amazing thing. Will it appeal to all? Certainly not, few games do. But D3 is a very, very solid, fun experience making aside it's permanent stigma of the DRM crap. People saying otherwise either came to judge with bias due to the DRM stuff or didn't play the game enough~.

May 22nd, 2012, 22:08	#305
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,411	That's because originally the link is Spanish not English. Diablo = Devil For our Spanish speakers this thread is called Devil 3. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! Last edited by SCHUMI_4EVER; May 22nd, 2012 at 22:21..

May 22nd, 2012, 22:52	#306
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,649	It makes no sense to me either... and me language be spanish. =S __________________

May 22nd, 2012, 23:10	#307
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,411	http://translation.babylon.com/english/Diablo/ In the first sentence he talks about DRM being the Devil...well this game is the Devil to me anyways in name and thus Torchlight 2 will be better no matter what. Look I've played "evil" games (in fact Torchlight 2 falls into that category as well) but I draw the line at something actually named Devil. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

May 22nd, 2012, 23:24	#308
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,649	Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh, I would've never guessed... regardless of language. __________________

May 23rd, 2012, 08:19	#310
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,697	^For some (including myself) the drm always online crap is an important factor in judging a game (if it ain't for you good for you but don't force or don't think i got to think the same in that regard), i kept on playing diablo 2 for so long also mainly due to the advantages of having a local game and those where mods and save editors, i don't think i would have been able to hold on playing it for so long if it weren't for those. I mean hell in almost 2 years of playing i only got two drops from my favorite used weapon/armor set... Plus there's one more thing i'm worring about a successful always on DRM game can help push this system forward... __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

May 23rd, 2012, 12:05	#312
snickothemule Hello Cudie Pie! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Coffs Harbour, Australia Posts: 4,876	Tried out the Witch Doctor a bit today, really fun character. Spitting venom, throwing spiders, flaming bats, hands that come from the ground, really cool character. __________________ My grass is the greenest.

May 23rd, 2012, 14:19	#313
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,649	Would it even be worthy to try and play Hardcore with the server lag and rubberbanding? __________________

May 23rd, 2012, 14:21	#314
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,411	Not worth it at all playing the hardcore mode as far as I understand, it basically only gives you permanent game over with no additional perk to make up for it aside from perhaps an achievement. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

May 23rd, 2012, 14:47	#316
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,649	Hardcore is fun for me, it makes me afraid of dying in these games. __________________

May 23rd, 2012, 16:48	#318
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,411	Because it has greater demonic influence than other games and makes light of something that is beyond evil? Not even Darksiders or DMC is that bad. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

May 23rd, 2012, 17:28	#319
Noja87 Unlimited... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vials! Posts: 6,391	Game just sold 6,666,666 million copies. Thats crazy. I thought it was going to sell 3 because of the drm thing. __________________ Tell me where it hurts