Windows 8 discussion

[the_randomizer]

Originally Posted by Kaizen

check my updated post about bios/uefi conflicts by win8.

I didn't see that post. What page?

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[@ruantec]

I got it working perfectly with VMWARE 8 beta. the steps i did i posted earlier and there is also one thing... after you fully install the system you will get a black screen for about 1 or 2 minutes... in that time don't come to the idea to turn off the system or vm or else you will have a broken installation.

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[Silenus]

It was very easy on vmware.

just pick windows 7 x64 and select install from iso and select the windows 8 iso path.

no serials no activation.

Make sure you have enough free space on your hardisk. 20+gb

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

I can understand that and in my case i feel the same when i see iOS. the reason for that is because it still looks the same even if the iPAD has been a big success. the OS itself on the iPAD is smooth and all but it feels more like a big iphone rather than a tablet... for instance that's something i really liked about Android as they moved forward and made a version of there OS for tablets. however in the case of Android am seeing the same problem but reversed this time as they are focusing more in Android 3 and leaving the phone behind with version below 3.

Well, I won't say much about this, other than that... if you don't like the interface of the iPad, jailbreak, jailbreak, and jailbreak.



And yes, that is legitimately an iPad interface. The app used is called Dreamboard, and what it is is kind of like a theme manager for iPhone/iPad devices that want to leave Apple's fugly grid of icons behind.

Imagine that + a file manager + file upload capability and you'll see how much you are missing out by not jailbreaking your device.

Of course they haven't and the reason is clear to me... the current version clearly shows "Developer preview" and if the full package is installed you even get Visual studio 11 and Expression blend bundled with it. normal laptop and desktop users doesn't need that kind of stuff as they don't know what to do with it so it clearly shows that MS isn't targetting them right now. the link silenius posted shows even more there intentions where developers can download over 200+ sample applications to learn how to develope Windows 8 applications using the new API's.

by looking at the design you can also clearly see that MS is targetting tablets as they need to do something in that area since they lost ground and were almost out of the map for tablet makers till this point in time. because of that its clear why is that way. The absense of a proper start button and start menu clearly shows they aren't done yet and probably shows there intention to create different modes depending on the user needs. for instance they may add a tablet mode and a desktop mode.

anyways i guess the time will tell...

Well, not sure if you have run Microsoft Developer Preview or similar before, but generally, when a Developer Preview, very few features get changed. Why? Because a Developer Preview is something Microsoft pushes out to get developers familiar with the way new stuffs work. In other words, they are saying that what developers are seeing right now is the "expected look and feel" of the OS even though it may not be the "expected behavior" (due to bugs).

They may add modes, and I don't doubt they'll have editions of Windows 8, but so far, I'm not liking the direction of Metro UI for desktop and laptop.

Originally Posted by DaMan

I wouldn't say ARM was 10x slower. Its half as fast as a Core2 in Coremark (yes I know NV cheated).

It's comparing a first-generation Core 2 Duo Mobile CPU at 65nm process... on a slow bus speed, and with unoptimized flags against a quad-core ARM chip with as many optimized flags as possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see the mobile Core 2 chip is actually throttled to 1GHz as well because... well, mobile chips throttle a lot, especially at higher voltages and especially the previous generation.

Assuming we are talking core to core here, the Core 2 CPU is at least twice as fast there, and can be much faster if the same flags were used.

Originally Posted by @ruantec

I will leave this here:

Source

The whole article is more like "I want Apple to learn from this", but... learn from what? They obviously have a different direction from Microsoft. Fundamental: Apple has 3 different OS flavors for 3 different classes of devices.

It's like saying I should learn literature because it'll help with math.

It would be good if the author wasn't so fixated with "fanboys" and went with more technical details and comparisons instead.

And by the way, here's something to watch:

http://www.winrumors.com/ipad-ios-5-...8-slate-video/

Edit:

And so as not to mirror post, here's Windows 8 on ARM...

http://forums.ngemu.com/showpost.php...postcount=1032

But I can echo what I said there: Explorer takes "seconds" to launch? And with nothing else running!?

Good luck, Microsoft...

Edit again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14949869

No Adobe Flash support in IE10 Metro-mode.

As a Flash developer, that makes me sad.

It seems to still be supported on the desktop mode, though.

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[n_w95482]

Originally Posted by Kaizen

memory usage?

I allocated 3 GB to the VM, which it reserved in its entirety. Win8 was using around 700 MB RAM on a fresh install/boot. Win7 and WoW were using another 2.7 GB between themselves.

Originally Posted by the_randomizer

How the crap are people getting this to run!?

I tried VMWare Workstation 8.0 - nothing
I tried the lasted version of Virtual Box - nothing
I tried to make it under a Windows server 2008 and Windows 7 profile - Nothing

After trying to reinstall it six times, it gets past the first installation screen, reboots, and then just hangs out with a black screen with the Windows Preview text. Nothing else happens. Again, how the bloody he11 are people getting this to work!!? My system MORE than meets the requirements.

The only issue I ran into with running VirtualBox was video memory allocation. If I did more than 64 MB, it would crash before POST. Nothing else I did affected Windows 8 itself. Maybe verify your ISO with the provided SHA-1 hash? I'm running VirtualBox 4.1.2. When I created the VM, I set it to Windows 7 x64, mostly everything else as default.

It seemed to work with both a conventional BIOS and with UEFI, although the DVD boot process was much slower with UEFI. Because of that, I left it on the traditional BIOS.

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[Silenus]

Already got like 10 updates on my windows 8.

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[the_randomizer]

Originally Posted by Silenus

It was very easy on vmware.

just pick windows 7 x64 and select install from iso and select the windows 8 iso path.

no serials no activation.

Make sure you have enough free space on your hardisk. 20+gb

Even though my host OS is currently 32-bit?

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I heard a rumor that windows 8 will have iso mounting abilities, is that true?

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[n_w95482]

Originally Posted by the_randomizer

Even though my host OS is currently 32-bit?

In that case, pick regular/32-bit 7.

Originally Posted by philtrum licker

I heard a rumor that windows 8 will have iso mounting abilities, is that true?

Yes, it supports ISO and VHD files. I had forgotten about that until you mentioned it. I just tried it with an ISO of Memtest86+ and it works as intended.

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[@ruantec]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Well, I won't say much about this, other than that... if you don't like the interface of the iPad, jailbreak, jailbreak, and jailbreak.

Well, am not a friend of jailbreak or rooting hence why i haven't jailbroken my iPad2 and my Xoom and Transformer remain un-rooted. the interface looks nice but to be honest i don't like it. obviously that is just the result of different taste between us.

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Well, not sure if you have run Microsoft Developer Preview or similar before, but generally, when a Developer Preview, very few features get changed. Why? Because a Developer Preview is something Microsoft pushes out to get developers familiar with the way new stuffs work. In other words, they are saying that what developers are seeing right now is the "expected look and feel" of the OS even though it may not be the "expected behavior" (due to bugs).

They may add modes, and I don't doubt they'll have editions of Windows 8, but so far, I'm not liking the direction of Metro UI for desktop and laptop.

I was searching for a post of mine posted several years ago but didn't find it when Win7 was in beta stages and i was terribly dissapointed because of some annoying bugs that gave me bluescreens. also because the drawing routines were terribly bad and the original @ES at that time ran very choppy and bad. as we know today all that was fixed and Win7 runs like a beauty today and all those annyoing problems i had belong to the past even shortly before Win7 was released so i don't see a single reason why it should be different this time.

don't get me wrong but i guess you focus too much in smoothness

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

The whole article is more like "I want Apple to learn from this", but... learn from what? They obviously have a different direction from Microsoft. Fundamental: Apple has 3 different OS flavors for 3 different classes of devices.

I don't agree with some of his points either but he has some points there.

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

And by the way, here's something to watch:

http://www.winrumors.com/ipad-ios-5-...8-slate-video/


Edit:

And so as not to mirror post, here's Windows 8 on ARM...

http://forums.ngemu.com/showpost.php...postcount=1032

But I can echo what I said there: Explorer takes "seconds" to launch? And with nothing else running!?

Good luck, Microsoft...

Just by watching that video i can see the big potential in Win8, forget about smoothness just look what's loaded in the background and on the screen and you have to admit they did a great job(on that video Win8 runs incredibly smooth and probably smoother than most Android 3 tablets). however i can understand that since you expect something as smooth as Apple's main interface but keep forgetting that you have a stripped down version of OSX unlike Win8... you can find something similar if you enter the search menu in Win8 which is hell smooth as it only shows some icons and nothing like the metro menu which has live content.

... i wonder what would happen if your beloved iOS had live content in the main screen like Win8 and OSX would be running in the background

About explorer taking seconds to start... that's probably a bug or maybe some lack of optimizations as it runs instantly here and i guess everyone that has Win8 installed knows that isn't that way... but if we're talking about slow loadings and possibilities then i can show you something that takes about 3 seconds to load yet is amazing

1. Open your network using your file explorer
2. Browse a 20GB 1080p blu-ray mkv movie on your network drive
3. Double-click the movie and open it
4. Wait the 3 seconds it requires to open since you're streaming the movie over the network which you're connected using your wireless connection of your tab.
5. Enjoy your favorite movie

Good luck, iOS

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14949869

No Adobe Flash support in IE10 Metro-mode.

As a Flash developer, that makes me sad.

It seems to still be supported on the desktop mode, though.

I guess they disabled that since they need to complete IE10. developers do that on webkit based browsers for testing porpuses which is nothing new. also once complete embedded browsers required the "Flash for other browser" plugin instead in order to make it work. if not i guess that's nothing i can't fix myself with some lines of code

as a Flash developer it makes you sad that MS IE10 doesn't support flash in its preview version???? if that's true then you must hate iOS right now as in its 5th version still lack native flash support

talking about development.... i spoted something missed in Windows 8 and that's a proper player in the metro UI so i guess i know what my first Win8 app will be

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/w...preview-video/

"multi-tasking is a pain" = Windows FAIL
They better fix that or my entire reason for considering Windows surperior other than compatibility will have gone to hell.

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[Xblade]

That sounds incredibly silly, I'm sure it'll be fixed.

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/w...preview-video/

"multi-tasking is a pain" = Windows FAIL
They better fix that or my entire reason for considering Windows surperior other than compatibility will have gone to hell.

Doing multitasking since I installed windows 8. In fact am analizing an awesome feature that suspend processes on switching saving battery power as the process do not run constantly in the background eating battery life.

Some of the points there are valid for now but It's clear that they will fix that since other stuff are missed and still need to be added. However the multitasking way is awesome but the usability need some tweaks.

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[Xblade]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

Doing multitasking since I installed windows 8. In fact am analizing an awesome feature that suspend processes on switching saving battery power as the process do not run constantly in the background eating battery life.

Doesn't sound like that would work for things requiring a constant net connection.

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Originally Posted by Xblade

Doesn't sound like that would work for things requiring a constant net connection.

Well, it depends... when i put an app in the Background i don't Want it to eat my battery... However it all depends as i already said.

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[Silenus]

We still have one year for the release of the OS.

They will fix those bugs and refine the UI.

It's nowhere perfect as it is.

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[Silenus]

Originally Posted by Xblade

Doesn't sound like that would work for things requiring a constant net connection.

I'm sure they'll take some mobile app cues and just use some parts of the app, not disabling it completely.

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[@ruantec]

Seriously... i personaly believe is way too early to complain and draw conclutions...

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

I don't remember that much changing in the Win7 betas though.

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[Silenus]

They have to or they will fail.

Mass beta testing worked wonders for them on windows 7.
They got a lot of feedback.

500,000+ downloads in less than 24 hours.

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