Cxbx progress

[aenemy]

Originally Posted by Nisse

.. but I now consider the game playable.

.. Just to get an idea: what Sys does it take to play it fluently? Guess there's no dualcore support, in't it ?

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[shogun_nihon]

The game look really awesome in CXBX, excelent job Nisse.

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[NexXxus]

very nice.
is there any chance getting Conker L&R to work?
i don't even know what XDK is uses.

[xcedf]

Originally Posted by NexXxus

very nice.
is there any chance getting Conker L&R to work?
i don't even know what XDK is uses.

Same question, i see you have a great progress last time

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[blueshogun96]

Originally Posted by aenemy

.. Just to get an idea: what Sys does it take to play it fluently? Guess there's no dualcore support, in't it ?

So far, all games require the same specs to run.

Intel Pentium III class, equivalent, or greater
NVIDIA GeForce 3/Ti or an equivalent GPU with shader model 1.x support or greater.
256Mb Ram or better recommended.

Also, since all games are reconstructed into a WinNT compliant .exe, if the game is multithreaded, it will automatically take advantage of dual core CPUs. When emulating Xbox with static recompilation and HLE, the speed issues are much less critical than emulators that use dynamic recompilation or an interpreter and LLE such as PCSX2. So almost any modern PC can run Cxbx nowadays with excellent framerates. Just stay away from the old Intel integrated graphics, Cxbx hates those with a passion and textures often don't work.

Originally Posted by NexXxus

very nice.
is there any chance getting Conker L&R to work?
i don't even know what XDK is uses.

I tried, and got so mad, I just walked away from my PC.

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[Borisz]

How about Rent-a-hero No.1? It's an old Dreamcast port so I guess Shenmue2 would be a good comparison for similar games (in a technical sense - even the x360 xbox emulator got profiles for both of these games at the same time).

[blueshogun96]

I've never heard of Rent-a-hero before. What year was the game made for Xbox? TBH, Shenmue II is becoming a good candidate now. But still, the chances are negligable because 4721 games can be rather tricky even though it is a close relative to 4627.

Another thing, the emulator on Xbox360 uses LLE and the HLE requirements are quite different.

[shogun_nihon]

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

Another thing, the emulator on Xbox360 uses LLE and the HLE requirements are quite different.

Sorry for the question but what does means?

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[blueshogun96]

Originally Posted by shogun_nihon

Sorry for the question but what does means?

Ok, let's break it down a bit.

HLE (High Level Emulation) - Emulates the system on a software level. Meaning emulation is dependent on what software level APIs can be wrapped instead of emulating the actual hardware.

Good:

• Ideal if adequate hardware documentation is not available.
• Lower system and memory requirements
• Sometimes less code ti impliment.

Bad:

• Sometimes not as accurate as hardware emulation.
• Requires complete knowledge of APIs being emulated/wrapped
• Harder to handle faulty code (for Cxbx).
• Requires more brute force hacks (for Cxbx)
• Applications that directly access the hardware cannot be emulated.

LLE (Low Level Emulation) - Emulates the system on a hardware level. This way, everything is emulated down to the exact detail of the system. This is the traditional emulation method.

Good:

• Emulates the complete system.
• High and low level code can be emulated.
• Often gives a more accurate representation of the system.
• Exception handling is less painful.

Bad:

• Higher system/memory requirements
• Requires hardware level documentation/knowledge.
• Mostly emulates things in software.
• Can be slower.

There are alot of variable factors to be taken into consideration when emulating anything, not just Xbox. Emulating Xbox1 using either method is painfully hard because the difficulties differ from the hardware and the software level. So if one side has more progress, don't expect the same from the other side.

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[shogun_nihon]

Thanks for your reply, was interesting but I think maybe either you misunderstood me or I didn´t ask properly, what I want to know is if you are saying that LLE is better than HLE because XBOX360 use it.

Another thing, the emulator on Xbox360 uses LLE and the HLE requirements are quite different.

I agree with you that both of them have their advantages, so is really dificult to choose.

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[Borisz]

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

I've never heard of Rent-a-hero before. What year was the game made for Xbox? TBH, Shenmue II is becoming a good candidate now. But still, the chances are negligable because 4721 games can be rather tricky even though it is a close relative to 4627.

Another thing, the emulator on Xbox360 uses LLE and the HLE requirements are quite different.

It's an old Megadrive adventure game by AM2 (makers of Virtua Fighter). It was remade in Shenmue style for the Dreamcast in full 3d, and later ported to xbox. These are all japanese releases, but the Xbox version was translated for an eventual english release, it was canned before it happened (preorders were dropped so they didnt met the minimum sold games quota for an USA release). A near-complete version has surfaced recently, it is the first time the game was made fully available in english.

I've played it awhile at my sisters place, its a hilarious adventure game with a lot of sega injokes (you have to save game using a Creamcast for example). The translation is very good too, although it has some typos and editing errors (text falling off the text-box, stuff like that). It may not be a good candidate for emulator testing because of that, but I'm fairly sure that Shenmue2 is similar enough that if you got one of them working, the other would be good as well.

Other than that, Panzer Dragoon Orta is one game I'd like to see working.

[chipsugar]

Originally Posted by shogun_nihon

Thanks for your reply, was interesting but I think either you misunderstood me or I didn´t ask properly, what I want to know is if you are saying that LLE is better than HLE because XBOX360 use it.

The Xbox360 *has* to use LLE. It has an entirely different cpu to the xbox (a cell processor instead of x86) so it needs to emulate the cpu hardware. I'd be suprised if the X360 didn't also use some HLE esp for some kernel functions as that would increase the speed of the emulation.

[NexXxus]

Originally Posted by chipsugar

The Xbox360 *has* to use LLE. It has an entirely different cpu to the xbox (a cell processor instead of x86)

the PS3 got a cell processor, the x360 has a standalone power PC architecture

[shogun_nihon]

From wiki:

Xenon is a CPU that is used in the Xbox 360 game console. The processor, internally codenamed "Waternoose" by IBM[1] and "XCPU" by Microsoft, is based on IBM's PowerPC instruction set architecture, consisting of three independent cores on a single die.

And PS3 uses:

3.2 GHz Cell Broadband Engine with 1 PPE & 7 SPEs

PS: I think I´m going off-topic.

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[Borisz]

Originally Posted by chipsugar

The Xbox360 *has* to use LLE. It has an entirely different cpu to the xbox (a cell processor instead of x86) so it needs to emulate the cpu hardware. I'd be suprised if the X360 didn't also use some HLE esp for some kernel functions as that would increase the speed of the emulation.

If they can break down games to c++ code and stuff like UltraHLE did a decade ago, it would be possible to use HLE even with the architectural difference. Especially since both consoles use similar Directx-based sdks. But thats just speculation on my part.

[blueshogun96]

Originally Posted by shogun_nihon

Thanks for your reply, was interesting but I think maybe either you misunderstood me or I didn´t ask properly, what I want to know is if you are saying that LLE is better than HLE because XBOX360 use it.

Even though the 360 uses LLE, I wouldn't exactly base my choice off of that. I do personally like using LLE better though, but Cxbx's HLE methods are very unique compared to many other forms of HLE. I just say mantainence of HLE code is much larger than LLE code.

Originally Posted by Borisz

Other than that, Panzer Dragoon Orta is one game I'd like to see working.

I guess we forgot about Panzer Dragoon. I have that game, but now it runs like crap on my PC (I blame NVIDIA's drivers, but it's also possible that the latest betas are just too slow). It still doesn't go ingame last time I checked, but I've been working on other games that use similar XDKs.

btw, would anyone want Metal Gear Solid II?

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[indaman]

Have you tried to make run Jet Set Radio Future?

Would be amazing to get this game to work.

[kekko]

Hi,
VS2008 is giving me only troubles, I should really go back to vs2005 sp1...
I'm trying to build this branch of cxbx, but I get errors on winbase.h:

VertexShader.cpp
C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0A\\include\winbase.h(328) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'INIT_ONCE'
C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0A\\include\winbase.h(328) : error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int
C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0A\\include\winbase.h(328) : error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int
C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0A\\include\winbase.h(329) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'PINIT_ONCE'
C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0A\\include\winbase.h(329) : error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int
C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0A\\include\winbase.h(329) : error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int
...

I guess it's something messed up with my vs2008. Does anyone have an idea?

[Borisz]

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

Even though the 360 uses LLE, I wouldn't exactly base my choice off of that. I do personally like using LLE better though, but Cxbx's HLE methods are very unique compared to many other forms of HLE. I just say mantainence of HLE code is much larger than LLE code.

Given how close the xbox is to a normal PC, I honestly don't think LLE is even needed. (maybe except for bios calls and such, things unique to the xbox hardware)

[Nisse]

Originally Posted by Chrono Archangel

I'm guessing this means you fixed the black surfaces? Does theses graphic changes affect other xdk's?

The black surfaces was caused by deferred render states that didn't get updated. This is the same for all XDK versions. I guess Caustik never needed emissive material colors.

Originally Posted by aenemy

.. Just to get an idea: what Sys does it take to play it fluently? Guess there's no dualcore support, in't it ?

The big outdoor scenes runs at ~100 FPS on my 2GHz CPU/GeForce FX5900 (I bought this system before my 1.6 Xbox). As already explained this is high level emulation, we're stuck in the threading model used by each game.

Originally Posted by kekko

Hi,
VS2008 is giving me only troubles, I should really go back to vs2005 sp1...
I'm trying to build this branch of cxbx, but I get errors on winbase.h.

You're using a vintage version of the Platform SDK. You'll need version 6.1 for newer Visual Sudio versions.